what is the typical condition of the sand were the money was found. was it dry, moist, wet? I'm going to take a dollar bill and stick it in some sand, but I want to try and control it to a degree. do I water it like a plant  leave it dry etc. what is my best option in Florida to reproduce a decent test?

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what is the typical condition of the sand were the money was found. was it dry, moist, wet? I'm going to take a dollar bill and stick it in some sand, but I want to try and control it to a degree. do I water it like a plant  leave it dry etc. what is my best option in Florida to reproduce a decent test?

I think Tom Kaye discusses the conditions that he simulated during his ground and water tests with dollar bills and discusses these on his web page.

Yes, I read them. I would like to put an entire bill under those conditions, not just a piece.

all the pictures seem to indicate being further away from the tide line, or at least the focus points? would they build a fire that close to the water?

It's all so aggravating at times with anything surrounding the case. one can truly never get a grip on anything. you can't use the appearance of the money for clues since the Ingrams messes with it. the FBI dusted the money. the dredging is a question. the flight path sends you bonkers. bald guys are suspects, some of the crew runs away and refuses to talk about the case. the FBI has memory problems, and lock it down. it goes on and on....

WHERE IS DB COOPER 

When did Tosaw start looking in the Columbia, and would he of known the Fazio's? possible influence issue?

It's all so aggravating at times with anything surrounding the case. one can truly never get a grip on anything. you can't use the appearance of the money for clues since the Ingrams messes with it. the FBI dusted the money. the dredging is a question. the flight path sends you bonkers. bald guys are suspects, some of the crew runs away and refuses to talk about the case. the FBI has memory problems, and lock it down. it goes on and on....

WHERE IS DB COOPER 

When did Tosaw start looking in the Columbia, and would he of known the Fazio's? possible influence issue?

The improbability of the Ingram find -

The Ingram find as an isolated event, without there being sufficient reasons why, is an extremely low probability event on it's own. It was (is) perhaps as low a probability as winning the lottery!

It is only because there is a larger set of more general facts (with higher probability), that makes the Ingram find more probable plausible. Ingram did not win the lottery! He merely stumbled into what was already a much more highly probable set of circumstances pre-existing his family's arrival on Tina Bar, and whatever those facts are, that is the true story of the Cooper money on Tina Bar.

Grey Cop focused in on the fact that the Ingram find was a low probability event, and suggested a conspiracy and a plant of which Harold and Pat Ingram were partners along with a neighbor!

The FBI tried to resolve the Ingram find being a very low probability by conducting an excavation (spending the resources to investigate) and the Washougal Theory.

Something else more mundane and fundamental explains the Ingram find, imho, one or two things of a much higher probability nature explain Cooper money being at Tina Bar, in the first place, and very likely a lot more of the Cooper money in this area, than Ingram stumbled onto by 1980.
 

   
   

all the pictures seem to indicate being further away from the tide line, or at least the focus points? would they build a fire that close to the water?

The pictures taken of about a dozen FBI agents digging at the site of the Ingram find, and about three days after that find, shows them well above the tide line.  My eyeball guess is that they were mainly digging at about five feet vertically above the level of the river surface.  And the Columbia River level at Tina Bar was typically about five to seven feet above sea level with a daily tidal variation of less than two feet.  So this would suggest that the Ingram find was about 10 to 12 feet above sea level.

Brian Ingram found the money on Sunday, February 10, 1980.  The Vancouver, WA Columbia River gage is located a few hundred feet east of the I-5 Interstate Bridge on the Vancouver side of the river.  The maximum water level shown on the Vancouver gage that day was 5.4 feet and the minimum was 2.9 feet.

Gage "zero" was "+1.8 NGVD29/MSL".  NGVD29 refers to a vertical datum introduced in 1929.  This vertical datum was replaced by NAVD88 in the late 1980s.  Someone with experience in this area needs to verify this but if the following is correct, the maximum at the Vancouver gage on February 10, 1980 was 7.2 feet above Mean Sea Level and the minimum was 4.7 feet above MSL.

The Columbia River water level at Tina Bar, about 15+ miles downstream from this gage, would be approximately 1.0 foot less.  So if the above corrections were appropriately made, on the date of the money find the Tina Bar river level would be between 3.7 feet and 6.2 feet above MSL.

This would seem to suggest that the river had a slightly larger than normal tidal action that day and that the river level was slightly below nominal level.  This assumes that the Bonneville dam activities did not impact the water level more than normal that day.

If someone has hydrographical training/knowledge, please check the above assumptions and advise of their accuracy.

Robert99

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all the pictures seem to indicate being further away from the tide line, or at least the focus points? would they build a fire that close to the water?

The pictures taken of about a dozen FBI agents digging at the site of the Ingram find, and about three days after that find, shows them well above the tide line.  My eyeball guess is that they were mainly digging at about five feet vertically above the level of the river surface.  And the Columbia River level at Tina Bar was typically about five to seven feet above sea level with a daily tidal variation of less than two feet.  So this would suggest that the Ingram find was about 10 to 12 feet above sea level.

Brian Ingram found the money on Sunday, February 10, 1980.  The Vancouver, WA Columbia River gage is located a few hundred feet east of the I-5 Interstate Bridge on the Vancouver side of the river.  The maximum water level shown on the Vancouver gage that day was 5.4 feet and the minimum was 2.9 feet.

Gage "zero" was "+1.8 NGVD29/MSL".  NGVD29 refers to a vertical datum introduced in 1929.  This vertical datum was replaced by NAVD88 in the late 1980s.  Someone with experience in this area needs to verify this but if the following is correct, the maximum at the Vancouver gage on February 10, 1980 was 7.2 feet above Mean Sea Level and the minimum was 4.7 feet above MSL.

The Columbia River water level at Tina Bar, about 15+ miles downstream from this gage, would be approximately 1.0 foot less.  So if the above corrections were appropriately made, on the date of the money find the Tina Bar river level would be between 3.7 feet and 6.2 feet above MSL.

This would seem to suggest that the river had a slightly larger than normal tidal action that day and that the river level was slightly below nominal level.  This assumes that the Bonneville dam activities did not impact the water level more than normal that day.

If someone has hydrographical training/knowledge, please check the above assumptions and advise of their accuracy.

Robert99

excellent.

Sutter:  You ask:  WHERE IS DB COOPER ?
My Suspect (Sheridan Peterson) is alive and living in retirement in California. He is about 90 years old now (ten years older than me) and Bruce knows where in California Sheridan is living. Possibly the book Sheridan finishes will tell the whole story after he passes away.

Bob Sailshaw
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Isn't it true the FBI collected his dna and tested it, and said 'No' ?

What has this got to do with the money find - more appropriate under Suspects ?