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How did the money arrive on Tena Bar

River Flooding
1 (5%)
Floated to it's resting spot via Columbia river
2 (10%)
Planted
6 (30%)
Dredge
11 (55%)
tossed in the river in a paper bag
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: August 16, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

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georger

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1395 on: July 25, 2015, 02:49:22 PM »
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what do you think about these fellas found on the shores of the columbia?

Kaye pretty much thought the holes and other deteriorations were due to bacteria, which I could believe. He found examples of bacteria consuming paper and creating holes at different stages - its on his website.  Thats a good piece of work on his part if its true..
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1396 on: July 25, 2015, 02:55:52 PM »
probably right, you would have to find out what type of insects would hang out in sand I guess?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1397 on: July 25, 2015, 03:07:59 PM »
Here is how I see things with the photo's, and the money locations etc. the red square indicates the area the sand was spread. it's a different photo that I put in this one...the top of the photo still shows signs of the northern spoil.

Tom also points out the circle...."1974 dredging image from FBI archive overlaid on Google Earth. The penciled circle is the inaccurate location of the money find from 1980."
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1398 on: July 25, 2015, 03:43:45 PM »
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Here is how I see things with the photo's, and the money locations etc. the red square indicates the area the sand was spread. it's a different photo that I put in this one...the top of the photo still shows signs of the northern spoil.

Tom also points out the circle...."1974 dredging image from FBI archive overlaid on Google Earth. The penciled circle is the inaccurate location of the money find from 1980."

I'm sticking by my statement that the pin location shown on this map, the location being north of the containment pit and about the same height as the containment pit, is wrong.

The pin location is to distant from the river, to high above the river level, and there is no "beach" west of there at the present time.  It is not a place where any dredging materials would be placed.  The erosion in that area, and just north of it, is more like a glacier "calving" than washing soil away at high tide.

As pointed out earlier today, Tom's GPS coordinates are within the penciled circle.  The local fishermen indicated that Meyer and I were in the right area as we zeroed in on Tom's coordinates.  Additionally, comparing objects on the west side of the Columbia with objects that appear in some of the pictures of the FBI agents digging leads to the same point as given by Tom's coordinates.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1399 on: July 25, 2015, 03:56:22 PM »
The agents are not digging where the circle is...that is clear in the photo I provided?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1400 on: July 25, 2015, 04:17:28 PM »
Here is the location where the agents were digging....red square
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1401 on: July 25, 2015, 04:34:35 PM »
See if this helps explain my view...
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1402 on: July 25, 2015, 05:11:51 PM »
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See if this helps explain my view...

The big picture does not show anything like the things in the small picture.  Where is that row of buildings in the upper right hand corner, and parallel to the blue line, in the other picture?  No such buildings are at Tina Bar now either.

The area at the north end of the containment pit does not have a flat beach area as indicated in the big picture.  I don't know where they were digging at that time but it does not match the containment pit area at Tina Bar.

There are other pictures of the agents digging with hand shovels that show identifiable landmarks on the west (Oregon) side of the river.   It is these pictures that can be used to determine locations on the east (Washington) side of the river.  They do not include pictures of Palmer, tractors, or trenches.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1403 on: July 25, 2015, 05:17:33 PM »
I can see in the photo's the angled tree's from the photo's you are talking about. you can see them in my photo's. I pretty darn sure of the area......here is a final pic.
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1404 on: July 25, 2015, 05:52:40 PM »
Here is a black & white photo looking on to Tina Bar from the helicopter. I believe the noticeable tree's can be found in the green circles on the right side of the photo. I don't think they are the circles on the left. you would see the tree/bush in the FBI dig photo (also provided) the red line could be Palmer ditch?


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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1405 on: July 25, 2015, 06:25:21 PM »
The photo of Brian returning to Tina Bar appears to be seen in the aerial photo taken during this period. the tree has an obvious slant to it. (see photo)

actually, the tree left of my arrow can also be seen with Brian....
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1406 on: July 25, 2015, 06:35:31 PM »
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Here is a black & white photo looking on to Tina Bar from the helicopter. I believe the noticeable tree's can be found in the green circles on the right side of the photo. I don't think they are the circles on the left. you would see the tree/bush in the FBI dig photo (also provided) the red line could be Palmer ditch?

Again, the upper right hand corner of the aerial view shows what looks like a waterway with houses on the far side and buildings of one type or another, along with docks, on the near side.  Nothing like this exists at Tina Bar.

The smaller picture with the helicopter in it is the type of pictures I was referring to.

Did Palmer, or anyone else, do any digging on Caterpillar Island or on the Oregon side of the Columbia River?
 

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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1407 on: July 25, 2015, 06:39:38 PM »
Those are cars parked. I'm guessing all of the agents digging on the beach. I'm pretty darn sure of my conclusions here.

The "waterway" is the angled feature seen in a lot of the Tbar photo's...
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1408 on: July 25, 2015, 06:56:59 PM »
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The photo of Brian returning to Tina Bar appears to be seen in the aerial photo taken during this period. the tree has an obvious slant to it. (see photo)


The above photo in my previous post (Brian) is also in the same location Tom has the yellow pin documenting the money location...it appears he has it behind the slanted tree....
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Re: Tina Bar Money Find
« Reply #1409 on: July 25, 2015, 07:35:24 PM »
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Those are cars parked. I'm guessing all of the agents digging on the beach. I'm pretty darn sure of my conclusions here.

The "waterway" is the angled feature seen in a lot of the Tbar photo's...

Can you show the angled feature on a full view of a Tina Bar aerial photograph?