TO be clear, I agree with their experiments with rubber bands,  the discussion,and the ultimate conclusion of the money, but not the conclusion about the rubber bands where they say "This data along with other information presented elsewhere in this research, suggests that the money became buried on Tena Bar sometime within a year of the hijacking.", that I don't agree with, for several reasons, not the least of which is their own data just suggested the rubber bands would be long gone after 8 or  9 years in the sand.

So what are these other "natural" means. The Washagoul washdown thing doesn't seem to wash, the he died in Merwin or the Lewis river and it dumping into the Columbia then getting snagged by a boat doesn't seem to hold up either. I think you've said in the past you disagree with the flight path?
That...just seems really far fetched. Sure, my theory is far fetched too, but it doesn't contradict anything, and I only suggest my theory because the biggest issue people have with a person, or Cooper himself, putting the $$ there is why, why would he do it, so I attempted to explain that.  Saying the flight path was way to the west and the jump point was much further south....would have to contradict alot of what most people consider reliable information....they had military and civilian radar, they reproduced the "bump" they felt, pilots flew that area and that corridor regularly, the staircase card was found right on the flight path they determined after.....to say the flight path is off by that much...that's just too much deviation, magnitudes of order of deviation,  to be considerable. POssible, sure, anythings possible, in the realm of any likelihood...that would be a stretch to say, IMHO.
Is there some other natural means theory I've missed?

So what are these other "natural" means. The Washagoul washdown thing doesn't seem to wash, the he died in Merwin or the Lewis river and it dumping into the Columbia then getting snagged by a boat doesn't seem to hold up either. I think you've said in the past you disagree with the flight path?
That...just seems really far fetched. Sure, my theory is far fetched too, but it doesn't contradict anything, and I only suggest my theory because the biggest issue people have with a person, or Cooper himself, putting the $$ there is why, why would he do it, so I attempted to explain that.  Saying the flight path was way to the west and the jump point was much further south....would have to contradict alot of what most people consider reliable information....they had military and civilian radar, they reproduced the "bump" they felt, pilots flew that area and that corridor regularly, the staircase card was found right on the flight path they determined after.....to say the flight path is off by that much...that's just too much deviation, magnitudes of order of deviation,  to be considerable. POssible, sure, anythings possible, in the realm of any likelihood...that would be a stretch to say, IMHO.
Is there some other natural means theory I've missed?

First, the "natural means theory" for the arrival at Tina Bar, the flight path will be discussed at length below.  Wind and water are the only "natural" forces that most people consider here.  But we must not forget that gravity is also a natural force.

The money was found at a higher location than the Columbia River water level on the evening of the hijacking.  And both Tom Kaye and Dr. Palmer have concluded, if I remember correctly, that the money did not arrive at Tina Bar until a significant length of time after the hijacking date.  And I believe they both also rule out the possibility that the dredging had anything to do with the money being at Tina Bar.

To move the money from a LOWER elevation to a HIGHER elevation requires an intervention of some kind.  In all honesty, there is nothing believable to support the idea that the money was planted at Tina Bar.  And there is also no "natural" explanation as to how the money was moved to a HIGHER elevation.

Consequently, the money could only have been moving from a HIGHER elevation to a LOWER elevation when it ended up at Tina Bar.  It would have to be displaced by water at a HIGHER elevation and then been continually moving LOWER as the water moved it downstream.  Keep in mind that after a relatively short period of time, neither Cooper's biological remains nor the things he had with him would be able to float.

To make a long story short, when moving uphill gravity has to be overcome by additional energy expenditures.  When moving downhill, gravity does much of the work for you and reduces the amount of additional energy expenditures need.

The flight path has been discussed to death on the DZ thread over the past several years.  At the present moment, there is nothing that conclusively proves any flight path.  However, the flight path shown on the so-called "FBI Map" cannot possibly be correct and I posted some things on Sluggo's web page about 2009 showing that.  To their benefit, the FBI apparently doesn't know where the so-called "FBI map" came from either, so don't try to blame it on them.

But there are some interesting marks on the map that suggest the airliner flew direct from near the Malay/Mayfield Intersection to a point near the Canby Intersection which is well south of Portland.  If the airliner did this, then it flew directly overhead of Tina Bar.  In addition, all the chase aircraft ,and Himmelsbach's helicopter as well, were vectored west and southwest of Portland in their attempts to intercept the hijacked airliner.  Further, a time given in the WSHM Cooper files indicates that the airliner was at a specified distance south of the Portland (now Battleground) VORTAC at 8:18 PM PST.  This location and time are consistent with the above information.

Efforts are still underway to obtain the un-redacted Seattle ATC transcripts and some progress has been made.  The FBI has released a small amount of additional information on the matter.  And the ball is currently in the hands of the FAA.  This effort has received support from senior officials in various branches of government.  Hopefully, it will be successful and, if so, I expect that there will be progress in short order in determining what became of D.B. Cooper.       

If you take the Ingrams original statements where the rubber bands were there but crumbled when touched (from FBI transcripts), and according to the Sleuths own research, the rubber bands could not have survived that long in the sand, after 9 years, they would have disintegrated completely. TO me, that says, that $$$ wasn't there longer than 1 year. Which means, dredging had nothing to do with it. Now...how to support that hypothesis???

Have you considered what the money bag was made from, how things could have been protected elsewhere for a significant period of time, etc., etc.?

Wow, 73, you sure have stirred up a hornet's nest.

As for Tina and the money at Tina Bar, here's my perspective.

I doubt the money was planted for Tina to find as a kind of "Thanks, Ma'am." We know that Tina was in a convalescent facility in Gresham, Oregon for some period of time in 1979, and then was whisked off to the convent in the spring of 1980 by her sister and bro-in-law. The reasons for Tina's hospital stay, and its length are unknown publicly. And of course, Tina ain't sayin'. But it would seem strange that she would hop out of her recovery room and traipse down the river a few miles to pick up six grand.

As I have written previously, the plant theory is compelling but requires a radically altered view of events in 1971 and afterwards. As Georger has pointed out NUMEROUS times, the idea of using a plant to distribute the moolah is too weird to consider.

Hence, if the money was planted, then the most plausible scenario to me is that the act of planting was the reason for that it occurred. A ritualistic ceremony? Coop and his boys celebratin'? A psychotic act triggered by guilt or remorse? In my view, a plant would require us to venture far down the rabbit hole of possibilities.

As for other means of depositing three bundolas in highly compacted form - that is still open to MUCH discussion. I am concerned that Brian says he and his family went looking for more money after finding the bundolas and didn't find any. Al Fazio loudly claims that the feds didn't find a thing on the beach after the Ingram find, and calls it all "A bunch of government crap."

Al is quick to pronouncements, and I'm sure his family can tell us of a time or two that he spoke his mind before too much contemplation, but in this instance he is supported by the fact that what the feds claim they found on Tina Bar can not be verified by anyone. No one has seen the money fragments the FBI says it found nor the documentation on where it was found. That is very disturbing to me.

So, 73, keep going big and keep it loud!!!  BTW, you read my book, yet? 10 bucks. At Amazon. "DB Cooper and the FBI - A Case Study of America's Only Unsolved Skyjacking."

Just sayin'.

Charm is typically used with criminals. con men use it, serial killers etc. it doesn't actually mean that would be there personality.

Has anyone done anything with the rubber bands I sent out?

Ralph was in Portland, it's possible he never seen it during that time period. even Carr doesn't say much about the path. he claims it's "the believed flight path" human error is always a possibility when doing things like this. calculation were put into this, and some guessing. no flight data has survived over the years to verify anything? Tom asked about the data, and got nothing.

Anything seems possible with this case. have you read the article with Major Dawson? he gives a similar route R99 speaks of. we have transcripts with obvious gaps. some of it doesn't jive. I'm not sold on moving the path either, but I'm trying to keep all options open for discussion.

As for Bobby? I don't dislike him either, but he's certainly not at the top of my list. his site has turned into a bashing type atmosphere that he went against for years. I don't like bringing him up, but sometimes it will occur. he blasted me for two years. he has a bad habit of taking things out of context etc etc.....will leave it at that....

Several reason, and again, I'm only stating things here. the best route would indeed be going west of Portland for population reasons. according to the map they didn't flight a straight line down to Portland. lots of turns from Portland up to Lake Merwin area. this is the only area I'm having trouble with in my simulator. once they pass Battleground it's a wicked bank turn west only to turn back south catching V23 again. very odd path, like they were trying to shake him up IMO.

It's a big move putting the path that far off, but as I mentioned before. the whole case is shaky