Author Topic: Tena Bar Money Find (Read 1344982 times)

georger · « **Reply #1320 on:** July 19, 2015, 01:46:45 AM »

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No, no friends. I think Cooper just felt for her, he wanted to compensate her. A meeting is out of the question, but a few bucks in the sand...no risk there, as history has proven, it was found, not by her and lead...to nothing. Remember, back then, you had to go out of your way to be unlisted phone number, default, if you had a phone, was to be listed. So, finding her number, would be a simple matter of a few minutes research, perhaps even just a phone call to "information".

well, why then does the money bundle/s show evidence of having been in this environment for at least a year? Sand and particle accumulation between the bills, that is. Aged Deterioration? Even Kaye thinks the money shows signs of having been at the site for at least a year, or more! Was Tina just late by a year? Two years? Or did Cooper bury the money just forget to tell Tina for a year or two? ............... and this is just the tip of the iceberg!

georger · « **Reply #1321 on:** July 19, 2015, 01:51:50 AM »

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No, no friends. I think Cooper just felt for her, he wanted to compensate her. A meeting is out of the question, but a few bucks in the sand...no risk there, as history has proven, it was found, not by her and lead...to nothing.

That's a tough theory. she ends up not picking up the money, and also fails to notify anyone about the whole thing. I just can't find a plausible reason to plant the money. they had no idea who, or where he was, so throwing them off the trail is out.

Tom Kaye told me he still has samples, and they still don't look like the Ingrams find. it's very puzzling to say the least...

Kaye has samples of the money Ingram found but they dont look like the Ingram find? What in Hell is that supposed to mean?

Then what "Cooper money bills" does Kaye have? From where? Who found the samples Kaye has? Kaye himself?

georger · « **Reply #1322 on:** July 19, 2015, 01:53:26 AM »

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Tough...perhaps...but not far fetched. There's a somewhat documented connection, Tina says he was nice, gentlemen like...she wanted to like him. Flo says similar, Himmelsbach says he used prisoner speak...who do you believe? I believe to two who talked to Cooper. Mabey details are not to be released? Surely that's a possibility, a a specific word, just might be it, perhaps Himmelsbach is right, but...I doubt it. I dunno, I guess I base most of that theory, on the interview immediately after, the news conference at Reno, Tina is clearly, displaced, for lack of a better word. Affected. There was some ... connection .. perhaps akin to Stockholm syndrome, and Cooper carried it, Tina, tried to forget it, but Cooper, wanted..to help her, the only way possible, $$$. Yes...this is conjecture...any investigation begins with...speculation. It's conjecture, for sure...but not out of the realm of real possibility.

It makes as much sense as the statement attributed to Kaye I replied to above!

"Tom Kaye told me he still has samples, and they still don't look like the Ingrams find. it's very puzzling to say the least..."

Shutter · « **Reply #1323 on:** July 19, 2015, 01:59:52 AM »

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No, no friends. I think Cooper just felt for her, he wanted to compensate her. A meeting is out of the question, but a few bucks in the sand...no risk there, as history has proven, it was found, not by her and lead...to nothing.

That's a tough theory. she ends up not picking up the money, and also fails to notify anyone about the whole thing. I just can't find a plausible reason to plant the money. they had no idea who, or where he was, so throwing them off the trail is out.

Tom Kaye told me he still has samples, and they still don't look like the Ingrams find. it's very puzzling to say the least...

Kaye has samples of the money Ingram found but they dont look like the Ingram find? W in Hell is that supposed to mean?

Then what "Cooper money bills" does Kaye have? From where? Who found the samples Kaye has? Kaye himself?

He still has test samples running. not actual Cooper cash....

Robert99 · « **Reply #1324 on:** July 19, 2015, 02:34:03 AM »

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It seems to be in Reno. Right before the Scott and Tina statements, the caption says "KOLO-TV" KOLO is still today, Reno, NV. For sure, NW said, don't say anything. Still, that doesn't dictate a demeanor. It implies a demeanor, but doesn't dictate it. Well, the background gives it away, you can see the R and E an N just not the O.

The video is not the news conference I referred to. That video of the crew talking to the TV station was probably shot about midnight or 1:00 AM in Reno. I referred to a still picture taken at a crew sit-down news conference in Minneapolis. And note that two of the flight attendants did not go to Reno.

georger · « **Reply #1325 on:** July 19, 2015, 03:06:38 AM »

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No, no friends. I think Cooper just felt for her, he wanted to compensate her. A meeting is out of the question, but a few bucks in the sand...no risk there, as history has proven, it was found, not by her and lead...to nothing.

That's a tough theory. she ends up not picking up the money, and also fails to notify anyone about the whole thing. I just can't find a plausible reason to plant the money. they had no idea who, or where he was, so throwing them off the trail is out.

Tom Kaye told me he still has samples, and they still don't look like the Ingrams find. it's very puzzling to say the least...

Kaye has samples of the money Ingram found but they dont look like the Ingram find? W in Hell is that supposed to mean?

Then what "Cooper money bills" does Kaye have? From where? Who found the samples Kaye has? Kaye himself?

He still has test samples running. not actual Cooper cash....

Well, the reason his personal "samples" do not look like Cooper money is because they ARENT COOPER MONEY! And they never will look like Cooper money?

Shutter · « **Reply #1326 on:** July 19, 2015, 08:29:17 AM »

No testing should have been done unless it involved the actual bills?

73blazer · « **Reply #1327 on:** July 19, 2015, 10:01:35 AM »

Well, I think it's perfectly reasonable to bury it, call her and tell her "Tina bar just north of Portland, north edge of the bar, in front of the tree X". Under the premise he wanted her to go get it within a few days or weeks. It was well away from the shore, and I don't think that place was used all that heavily by fisherman, fishermen tend to go to the edge of the water, so I think the chances of it being found by someone else is fairly slim. Hell, if you go with the dredge theory or it washed up there a year or two after '71, it still took several years for anyone to find it, so, "it could be easily found by someone else" is already self-defeating, as under most any theory of how it got there, it wasn't found for years. Plus, I just don't think he would care if it was found or she decided not to go get it, but it's very reasonable to say he wanted her to get it, told her where to get it, and if she was going to get it, it was in a place such that within a few weeks chances of someone else finding it are extremely slim, and if she didn't want it, who cares, chances are low they'd be identified as Cooper bills, and even if they were (they were, as we all know), what can they possibly do about it? Nothing, as history has proven, the money as created more questions than answers.

73blazer · « **Reply #1328 on:** July 19, 2015, 10:29:20 AM »

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It seems to be in Reno. Right before the Scott and Tina statements, the caption says "KOLO-TV" KOLO is still today, Reno, NV. For sure, NW said, don't say anything. Still, that doesn't dictate a demeanor. It implies a demeanor, but doesn't dictate it. Well, the background gives it away, you can see the R and E an N just not the O.

The video is not the news conference I referred to. That video of the crew talking to the TV station was probably shot about midnight or 1:00 AM in Reno. I referred to a still picture taken at a crew sit-down news conference in Minneapolis. And note that two of the flight attendants did not go to Reno.

Is there a link to that news conference, I don't think I've ever seen that one?
THis one here is interesting, it shows a flash picture of how the bar looked during hte search and some close up of trenches and whatnot.

I think the one your talking about is this one, but I find is this picture, no video.

nmiwrecks · « **Reply #1329 on:** July 19, 2015, 10:38:45 AM »

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Well, I think it's perfectly reasonable to bury it, call her and tell her "Tina bar just north of Portland, north edge of the bar, in front of the tree X". Under the premise he wanted her to go get it within a few days or weeks. It was well away from the shore, and I don't think that place was used all that heavily by fisherman, fishermen tend to go to the edge of the water, so I think the chances of it being found by someone else is fairly slim. Hell, if you go with the dredge theory or it washed up there a year or two after '71, it still took several years for anyone to find it, so, "it could be easily found by someone else" is already self-defeating, as under most any theory of how it got there, it wasn't found for years. Plus, I just don't think he would care if it was found or she decided not to go get it, but it's very reasonable to say he wanted her to get it, told her where to get it, and if she was going to get it, it was in a place such that within a few weeks chances of someone else finding it are extremely slim, and if she didn't want it, who cares, chances are low they'd be identified as Cooper bills, and even if they were (they were, as we all know), what can they possibly do about it? Nothing, as history has proven, the money as created more questions than answers.

It seems reasonable that a man threatens to blow up an aircraft and murder the passengers and crew unless he gets money, then contacts a traumatized victim of his crime years later and tries to lure her to a remote locale, instead of just mailing her the $6000?

$6000 in the late 1970s would be worth about $25,000 today. The Cooper suspect was that flush with cash that he could risk throwing away that kind of money? Why take the chance that Tina could alert the authorities and re-ignite the case. Why not wrap that money in saran wrap and preserve it? Why not put it in a Tupperware container?

My final question is, how could the Cooper suspect be running around burying money and contacting eyewitnesses, if he died in the jump?

73blazer · « **Reply #1330 on:** July 19, 2015, 10:58:01 AM »

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It seems reasonable that a man threatens to blow up an aircraft and murder the passengers and crew unless he gets money, then contacts a traumatized victim of his crime years later and tries to lure her to a remote locale, instead of just mailing her the $6000?

Yes, if you remove the added drama in your sentence. Most criminals in Cooper's boat have narcissistic elements to them. Contacting someone you spent alot of time alone with during the actual crime...I would say is right inline with Coopers profile.

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$6000 in the late 1970s would be worth about $25,000 today. The Cooper suspect was that flush with cash that he could risk throwing away that kind of money? Why take the chance that Tina could alert the authorities and re-ignite the case. Why not wrap that money in saran wrap and preserve it? Why not put it in a Tupperware container?

It was probably the same amount he offered her to begin with. He's continuing his gentlemanly ways, if you will. Why not preserve it better? That's a good question. Just didn't think about it, perhaps if he felt she'd get it, she'd get it within a few weeks, if not, then better off not protected as it would degrade over time. Perhaps he just didn't think about it, like jumping from a plane with loafers and not specifying denominations.

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My final question is, how could the Cooper suspect be running around burying money and contacting eyewitnesses, if he died in the jump?

Your assuming he died in the jump, which is also a viable theory. However, I'm exploring a theory where he survived. It's just a theory...I'm not saying it's fact!

As many like Kaye, and Safe have surmised after long and careful analysis, the money continues to defy all natural means of how it got there. The simplest explanation is, Occums Razor says, it didn't get there thru natural means, meaning it had to be put there.

Shutter · « **Reply #1331 on:** July 19, 2015, 12:38:05 PM »

I don't think the money fits the situation. it doesn't look like money that has been "left out in the element"

1) The flight path has not been 100% verified by anyone. even the FBI state "the believed flight path"
2) The dredge theory has not been fully investigated.
3) The possibility of Cooper landing in the area as not been proven false... (see flight path)
4) Two different stories come from the Ingram's
5) We know the plane crossed the river upstream from Tina Bar.
6) The timing of the jump is a guess.
7) Two different stories from the pilots.

The money could of been protected in the bag for years.

Lots of possibilities before we can actually think about a plant in my opinion.

Robert99 · « **Reply #1332 on:** July 19, 2015, 12:58:54 PM »

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It seems to be in Reno. Right before the Scott and Tina statements, the caption says "KOLO-TV" KOLO is still today, Reno, NV. For sure, NW said, don't say anything. Still, that doesn't dictate a demeanor. It implies a demeanor, but doesn't dictate it. Well, the background gives it away, you can see the R and E an N just not the O.

The video is not the news conference I referred to. That video of the crew talking to the TV station was probably shot about midnight or 1:00 AM in Reno. I referred to a still picture taken at a crew sit-down news conference in Minneapolis. And note that two of the flight attendants did not go to Reno.

Is there a link to that news conference, I don't think I've ever seen that one?
THis one here is interesting, it shows a flash picture of how the bar looked during hte search and some close up of trenches and whatnot.

I think the one your talking about is this one, but I find is this picture, no video.

I am referring to the picture of the entire flight crew and cabin crew that appears on page 48 of Tosaw's book. Tosaw's caption gives the location of the news conference as Reno, but two of the flight attendants (Flo and Alice) were not in Reno.

As stated previously, the hijacked crew flew the airliner back to Seattle the next day and immediately boarded another plane for Minneapolis. Thus the news conference shown was probably in Minneapolis the evening after the hijacking. This would be the evening of Thanksgiving Day (November 25, 1971).

And the partial picture you include appears to have been taken at the Minneapolis news conference.

Shutter · « **Reply #1333 on:** July 19, 2015, 01:06:18 PM »

73, if you go by Kaye's conclusions with the rubber bands. the money couldn't of been in the sand soon after the crime. there would be no signs of the rubber bands what so ever after several years in the elements.

73blazer · « **Reply #1334 on:** July 19, 2015, 01:54:53 PM »

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73, if you go by Kaye's conclusions with the rubber bands. the money couldn't of been in the sand soon after the crime. there would be no signs of the rubber bands what so ever after several years in the elements.

Quote from: TheCitizenSleuths.com

By the 355th day all the bands were broken and none were left intact. This experiment also indicates that rubber bands under sand, have similar lifetimes to submerged bands which is less than a year.

I'm going with their ultimate conclusions where they say the money resists all natural explanations on how it got there. The rubber band portion conclusion, I never really understood their logic, I almost think it's a misprint. The money was found with the rubber bands in tact, brittle, but there and intact. So, to conclude the money was buried within a year of the hijacking? If that was the case, the bands would have disintegrated completely, according to their own experiments. I'd say the experiment data concludes the money came to be buried there within a year of the find, not a year of the hi-jacking.

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