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slope stability: severe erosion hazard - slopes greater than 15 degrees; not sure where that means.

If not mistaken they are talking about the area's similar to the photo from Tom's site showing the erosion.


Steep Slope Hazard Areas – areas where there is not a mapped or
designated landslide hazard, but are steep slopes equal to or greater than
forty percent (40%) slope. The presence of steep slopes suggests that
slope stability problems are possible.

Are people ignoring the obvious?

The money consisted of $5800 or approx 290 bills which has the approx depth of a 1.16 inch thick block of bills. Ingram says the money was covered by approx 2 inches of sand. That places the lower extent of the money at about 3 - 4 inches depth at most.

Palmer measured the upper active layer at Tina Bar at 6-8 inches deep. Artifacts confirmed this was the active uppermost layer currently being worked at the time. That layer was deep enough to contain the Ingram find with room to spare.

If those facts are true, all debate about the dredge spoils layer is mute.

There is hardly any reason to dispute the "upper active layer" Palmer identified  (and Kaye has not disputed that identification), because the identification was supported by recently arrived artifacts (cans, nails, wood, etc). And one of the recently arrived artifacts was the Cooper money itself. Below this layer Palmer identified a cross-bedded sand layer at 8-24 inches depth which had to represent an earlier much longer period of time. (And the disputed clay layer below that).

There is no way the upper active layer can be confused with any dredge spoils layer.

Since there is no proof of fragments that whole topic should probably be avoided.

The last significant high water period began at the end of the drought in 1977 with flooding in 1978 noted by Palmer and others. Palmer and others interpreted the high water events starting in Dec 1977 into 1978 as probably accounting for the upper active layer Palmer identified in Feb 1980.
   

Does anyone know where the waterline would be on the beach during these floods?

"Jon" told Meyer Louie and me that the maximum water level he had seen at Tina Bar came within about two or three feet of  the top of the dairy containment pond.  In my guess (there was no way to measure the exact height of the point he indicated), that would be about 18 to 20 feet above sea level.

This illustrates the need for a hydrologic person to explain exactly how to convert the Corps of Engineers data for the Vancouver gage to sea level values on the present day vertical datum.

Since there is no proof of fragments that whole topic should probably be avoided.

The stories about fragments can probably be explained as a mental phenomena. Caught up in the excitement of the find, every mucky bit a paperysomething turns into another bill. Agents not trained in archaeology (like, all of them), allow cross-contamination (top-of-the-hole stuff falls into the bottom of the hole) and everything gets sorted out later by the lab, which separates the junk from the money fragments, leaving the paltry little cases of fragments that Kaye showed us.

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Since there is no proof of fragments that whole topic should probably be avoided.

The stories about fragments can probably be explained as a mental phenomena. Caught up in the excitement of the find, every mucky bit a paperysomething turns into another bill. Agents not trained in archaeology (like, all of them), allow cross-contamination (top-of-the-hole stuff falls into the bottom of the hole) and everything gets sorted out later by the lab, which separates the junk from the money fragments, leaving the paltry little cases of fragments that Kaye showed us.

One agent told Bruce he found frags at the shoreline.....a video still shows a point of interest in the location of the waterline, but nothing has been verified...

R99, I think I found a document that would interest you. it's too big to post here. it's from 1986 showing vertical, and horizontal datums......the whole layout of the bottom portion of Tina Bar....

here is a screenshot, but I don't know if you can enlarge it to view good enough...

Shutter, I will try to print out a 13 by 19 inch copy of this tomorrow on photographic paper.  But at this moment I can't get my photograph printer to accept photos.  For some reason, it will only print normal text tonight.  But I will get it going tomorrow.  And right now I need to get some sleep.

Robert99

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Since there is no proof of fragments that whole topic should probably be avoided.

The stories about fragments can probably be explained as a mental phenomena. Caught up in the excitement of the find, every mucky bit a paperysomething turns into another bill. Agents not trained in archaeology (like, all of them), allow cross-contamination (top-of-the-hole stuff falls into the bottom of the hole) and everything gets sorted out later by the lab, which separates the junk from the money fragments, leaving the paltry little cases of fragments that Kaye showed us.

All the agents on the dig that I've spoken with report multiple fragments - Himmelsbach, Schroeder, and McPheters.

As far as I know, no one knows where the money fragments are now, nor do I know of any one who has seen the documentation on what was found and where.

Further, Brian told me that he and his family went looking for more money and found NOTHING.

Lastly, Al Fazio says contradictory things: first, he says that no money was found IN the sand, buried. "That's a lot of government crap," he told me.

But secondly, he told me that there were money fragments along the high tide line.

So what does this tell us?  The FBI are lying? They're caught up in the frenzy of a Cooper find? - Kind of telling the truth but so excited they get mental, and confuse bits of paper detritus for ransom money?

Brian and the family were so excited with free-but-gooey-bundolas of six-grand that they got mental and couldn't find anything else?

Al got PTSD flashbacks working with the feds, who were driving him crazy and wouldn't let him enter his own property initially, so his comments are suspect?

Or it just proves the Tales of Chelm are true: Two Jews, three opinions. Then multiply that truism by 15(?) FBI agents and you get real load of government crap!

Maybe it's time to ask the Shin Bet* for a consult.

*Internal Security agency for Israel. When the Mossad needs to unstick sticky stuff they ask Shin Bet to do it.

Anything visible on the tide line would have to be recent. so many stories flying around about the money. Hoffa seems to share the same problems. they drowned him, he was cut up, put through a grinder, buried alive etc.etc....then the multiple stories of his final resting place......

So few even know who Buzz Aldrin is much less that he walked on the Moon.

Is Bruce Willis really bald or did he have hair fragment transplants - maybe the Kaye Team knows!