That is possible but it would have had to have been when the bands existed as whole viable rubber bands. For example, it could have happened when Cooper was grabbing bundles and transferring them between containers or when he was pulling out money and offering it to the stews ... ?

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That is possible but it would have had to have been when the bands existed as whole viable rubber bands. For example, it could have happened when Cooper was grabbing bundles and transferring them between containers or when he was pulling out money and offering it to the stews ... ?

I would have to say if the rubber bands I have here were close to the one's used by the bank. you could only wrap them twice and they would be pretty tight on the bundle. I don't think the position of the bands would move if you handled them.

Ok, so you are saying (a) wrapped once the bands are lose? (hope I spelled that word right?) ... looo^s' ?

(b) if the bands are wrapped twice they compress the money?  How many bills in the bundle ? How many bills in a bundle before compression is not an issue, twice wrapped?

Let me say anecdotally, so far as I know Tom never addressed that issue. But the issue did come between Brian and I and Ckret resulting in a phone call to Brian's mother - the issue was paper bands vs. rubber bands, but the guy that wrapped the bundles never mentioned once wrapped, twice wrapped, or bands compressing the bundles.
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That is possible but it would have had to have been when the bands existed as whole viable rubber bands. For example, it could have happened when Cooper was grabbing bundles and transferring them between containers or when he was pulling out money and offering it to the stews ... ?

I would have to say if the rubber bands I have here were close to the one's used by the bank. you could only wrap them twice and they would be pretty tight on the bundle. I don't think the position of the bands would move if you handled them.

Ok, so you are saying (a) wrapped once the bands are lose? (hope I spelled that word right?) ... looo^s' ?

(b) if the bands are wrapped twice they compress the money?  How many bills in the bundle ? How many bills in a bundle before compression is not an issue, twice wrapped?

Let me say anecdotally, so far as I know Tom never addressed that issue. But the issue did come between Brian and I and Ckret resulting in a phone call to Brian's mother - the issue was paper bands vs. rubber bands, but the guy that wrapped the bundles never mentioned once wrapped, twice wrapped, or bands compressing the bundles.
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I had 20 bills in my pocket last week. I put the band on those, and they were pretty lose. I then folded it over making it 40 bills and it was at the brink of collapsing. so, 70-100 bills should be semi-tight with one wrap, and two would be snug. If I would have thought of it, I would of went to the bank today, and got 100 singles. I have a 100 dollar bill in my pocket. no small bills. perhaps I can ask my friends at the local gas station if I could use the bills there and take a picture?

When I folded them over I doubled up on the band....

I think most in the banking biz would feel safe doubling the bundles?

Let me copy several previous Ckret posts on the money find - just to have this on the board:

   
Ckret
Dec 5, 2007, 3:25 PM
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Registered: Sep 7, 2007
Posts: 522         Re: [SafecrackingPLF] Cooper Eyewitnesses [In reply to]
 

When Tina brought the money to Cooper, Cooper started talking excitedly about it (Flo's assessment about him being child like). He talked about how heavy it was and had Flo hold the bag so she could feel the weight. Tina then joked with Cooper about it being a lot of money and could she have some. Cooper reached into the bag and gave her a bundle of money. Tina then said to him she was just joking and that she could not accept gratuities and handed the bundle back to Cooper.



Ckret
Jan 21, 2008, 11:38 AM
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Registered: Sep 7, 2007
Posts: 522         Re: [SafecrackingPLF] The Solution [In reply to]
 

bren,

here's what the money tells; If Cooper lived he lived without his money. The money (from it's condition when found) had to have been sheltered from the elements. Because the money could not have been there before 1974 it rules out that Cooper landed near by, buried some cash and never came back. Because of its condition when found we know the earliest it could have been there in an unprotected state is late 78. There would be no logical reason for someone to come back and plant the money there 8 years after. It would not have cooled the investigation or thrown it off of a subject. No matter where the money is found the subject list would have stayed the same. Plus, at this point who ever Cooper is, he got away with it. The investigation was dying, why would someone fan the flames and $5,800 was a large sum in the late 70's and 80's, if you got away with it, you wouldn't give it up for no apparent reason.

If the above is true then the money was blown off of Cooper when he jumped (which an accurate recreation may prove useful) or he died and the money detached from his decaying corps. The money then takes a big portion of the mystery out of the mystery, no beaches, no margaritas, no high living. It's either death or "damn, I'll never do that again!!!"

Safe, glad your back, thought I lost you for a moment.




Ckret
Jan 21, 2008, 12:46 PM
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Registered: Sep 7, 2007
Posts: 522         Re: [skydogs] The Solution [In reply to]
 

If cooper buried the money on the beach upon landing that is where it would have stayed undisturbed. In 1974 almost two feet of sand and clay were buried there. I am sure, if Cooper buried the money he would have put the bag at least a foot down most likely more. The geologist that worked the site stated that it would be of a certain impossibility that on its own the money could have broke through the clay deposites from the dredging and the dig showed no signs of disturbance in the clay layer.

The problems I have with this thing called Tina Bar is some of the statements presented over the years by the FBI, and others. the Fazio's claim they only spread material 50 yards each way from the center of the spoils. then we have Palmer come along showing the depths where the dredge material was a good distance away from where they didn't spread the material?

With the coastline of Tina bar slowly disappearing each year from erosion, how is so much depth of the spoil material still on the beach some 5 years later? it's almost like the same amount was there from 1974? unless of course a lot more material was spread than they are claiming?

I know things get aggravating by the constant revisit of evidence, but I'm hoping we can come to a full conclusion in certain area's if that makes sense? if we are to take the word of everything presented, we don't have much of a case left?

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If the money had been at Tina Bar in 1974, it seems strange that only a couple of inches of sand covered it in 1980 when it was found. 

Agreed, but wouldn't the constant erosion make it appear it was at the surface?