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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #825 on: March 08, 2015, 07:48:14 PM »
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Well, one question is: do you have any evidence the FBI looked, or did not look, at any of these 'suspects'?

Nope.

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Or that the FBI considered your theory of the case? Or did not consider it?

I've read nothing about them considering Native Americans. Have you?

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Are you attempting to nail down any actual data on this theory?

I wasn't aware that submitting a speculative theory on a message board required me to actually attempt an investigation. I have a very busy life. Judging by the appalling response that the FBI is giving people with ACTUAL information like Vicki, I'd prefer not to waste my time contacting them only to get a response that is a dead end (if I even got a response at all).
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #826 on: March 08, 2015, 09:40:39 PM »
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I've read nothing about them considering Native Americans. Have you?



The only reference to Native Americans I've ever heard was L.D. Cooper had a darker complexion because he was part Native American.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #827 on: March 08, 2015, 09:44:19 PM »
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I've read nothing about them considering Native Americans. Have you?



The only reference to Native Americans I've ever heard was L.D. Cooper had a darker complexion because he was part Native American.

I think OMC is basically showing that the two could be similar (Latin vs Indian) I tend to agree, but I'm not sold that he was on the reservation.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #828 on: March 09, 2015, 12:06:35 AM »
I'm sure this has been done many, many times. But I did a Namus search for people who disappeared within a four year period who seemed to matchup. Nothing particularly interesting, but the only ones who even resemble the sketch (other than Lepsy and Wilson) are:

William Ellis, disappeared in June 1971 from Maryland at age 38. I like this guy's look ALOT. He seems to have something weird with his bottom lip (which I believe was mentioned by one or both of the stews). His droopy eyes very much resemble Comp B. But alas! His file has him at 5'6, 150 lbs. Booooo



Lewis Welch, disappeared in May 1971 from Northern California (Nevada County specifically) at the age of 44. He was 6'2. But alas! He had auburn colored hair. His friends think he killed himself (jumping out of a 727 could accomplish that if he wanted to)



James Shaw, disappeared in May 1971 in Nevada at the age of 41. But alas! He was 6'4 and someone that tall would surely have been commented on by everyone who saw him.



Charles Hollingsworth disappeared in October 1970 from outside Sacramento, CA at age 39. He was a doctor. He was 6'1, 200-210. But alas! I don't think he likes much like the sketch and also was a handsome man. I don't think Mitchell would have A) called this guy a geek, or B) thought he could take him in a fight.


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and finally my favorite new suspect! (not really...but maybe...sorta)

John Lake, disappeared in December 1967 from New York City in his late 30's. Would have been 41 at the time of the hijacking. Was 6'0, 180. Was the sports editor for Newsweek at the time. This is from the Doe Network webapge: "Many of Lake's coworkers at Newsweek feel his disappearance was voluntary. He had been depressed for at least a year, due mainly to the deteriorating relationship with his wife and growing dissatisfaction with his job. Despite his high-profile position, he had struggled financially for years. More than a few of Lake's associates thought he just wanted some peace, although none seem to find suicide likely." Also: "He was a runner himself and believed in keeping fit."



With Willie Mays!!



 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #829 on: March 09, 2015, 12:15:06 AM »
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I'm sure this has been done many, many times.

It's been discussed, and a few have been posted just as you did. I believe you would have to go into 1972 as well, some people might not of been missed right off the bat.
 

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« Reply #830 on: March 09, 2015, 12:15:48 AM »
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I'm sure this has been done many, many times. But I did a Namus search for people who disappeared within a four year period who seemed to matchup. Nothing particularly interesting, but the only ones who even resemble the sketch (other than Lepsy and Wilson) are:

William Ellis, disappeared in June 1971 from Maryland at age 38. I like this guy's look ALOT. He seems to have something weird with his bottom lip (which I believe was mentioned by one or both of the stews). His droopy eyes very much resemble Comp B. But alas! His file has him at 5'6, 150 lbs. Booooo



Lewis Welch, disappeared in May 1971 from Northern California (Nevada County specifically) at the age of 44. He was 6'2. But alas! He had auburn colored hair. His friends think he killed himself (jumping out of a 727 could accomplish that if he wanted to)



James Shaw, disappeared in May 1971 in Nevada at the age of 41. But alas! He was 6'4 and someone that tall would surely have been commented on by everyone who saw him.



Charles Hollingsworth disappeared in October 1970 from outside Sacramento, CA at age 39. He was a doctor. He was 6'1, 200-210. But alas! I don't think he likes much like the sketch and also was a handsome man. I don't think Mitchell would have A) called this guy a geek, or B) thought he could take him in a fight.


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and finally my favorite new suspect! (not really...but maybe...sorta)

John Lake, disappeared in December 1967 from New York City in his late 30's. Would have been 41 at the time of the hijacking. Was 6'0, 180. Was the sports editor for Newsweek at the time. This is from the Doe Network webapge: "Many of Lake's coworkers at Newsweek feel his disappearance was voluntary. He had been depressed for at least a year, due mainly to the deteriorating relationship with his wife and growing dissatisfaction with his job. Despite his high-profile position, he had struggled financially for years. More than a few of Lake's associates thought he just wanted some peace, although none seem to find suicide likely." Also: "He was a runner himself and believed in keeping fit."



With Willie Mays!!



Actually it hasnt been done before - you are the first - and this is good work! You are probably the first to work within the parameters of the FBI profile. Others posted pics "outside" the FBI profile no matter how unlike the profile their subjects were; all on the premise the FBI profile has no real value.

I think you should drop SA Curtis Eng a note in Seattle and just ask him if any indians on reservations were looked at in the Cooper case. You might get a nice reply if he has time? 
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« Reply #831 on: March 09, 2015, 12:24:20 AM »
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Actually it hasnt been done before - you are the first - and this is good work! You are probably the first to work within the parameters of the FBI profile. Others posted pics "outside" the FBI profile no matter how unlike the profile their subjects were; all on the premise the FBI profile has no real value.

I think you should drop SA Curtis Eng a note in Seattle and just ask him if any indians on reservations were looked at in the Cooper case. You might get a nice reply if he has time?

I may do that! I don't know how to get in contact with him though...but I'm sure you do?

Also, I've emailed John Lake's son (who runs a webpage for his dad) to ask him if anyone has ever mentioned DB Cooper and his father in the same sentence.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #832 on: March 09, 2015, 01:04:51 AM »
305 passenger Robert Gregory purported claimed that DB Cooper could have been Mexican-American or Native American.

However, Gregory is an outlier with his other attributions: marcelled hair, 5'8", mid 30s, russet jacket.

Gregory also told the Seattle Times that he only saw the skyjacker when all the passengers stood up to leave at Sea-Tac.

Nevertheless, he talked his way into the history books somehow, and the FBI now claims that Gregory sat next to Cooper in Row 18.

I think the Native American angle is very plausible. But the guy who told the story on the radio - the wrestler - about the family friend from the Yakima Rez who was the skyjacker is pretty shaky.

BTW: the 50 miles from Victor 23 to the rez is a pretty tough hike, especially in November.  Ya gotta go over the crest of the Cascades. I skied it in June one year, and there was still 20+ feet of snow at 9,000 feet, with lots of elevation to go.

But you could rest in the Washougal basin before it gets dicey.........................
 

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« Reply #833 on: March 09, 2015, 01:17:23 AM »
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305 passenger Robert Gregory purported claimed that DB Cooper could have been Mexican-American or Native American.

However, Gregory is an outlier with his other attributions: marcelled hair, 5'8", mid 30s, russet jacket.

Gregory also told the Seattle Times that he only saw the skyjacker when all the passengers stood up to leave at Sea-Tac.

Nevertheless, he talked his way into the history books somehow, and the FBI now claims that Gregory sat next to Cooper in Row 18.

I think the Native American angle is very plausible. But the guy who told the story on the radio - the wrestler - about the family friend from the Yakima Rez who was the skyjacker is pretty shaky.

BTW: the 50 miles from Victor 23 to the rez is a pretty tough hike, especially in November.  Ya gotta go over the crest of the Cascades. I skied it in June one year, and there was still 20+ feet of snow at 9,000 feet, with lots of elevation to go.

But you could rest in the Washougal basin before it gets dicey.........................

You wouldn't have to climb the Cascades if you stayed on one of the roads immediately adjacent to the Columbia River.  Just thumb a ride.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #834 on: March 09, 2015, 01:21:09 AM »
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BTW: the 50 miles from Victor 23 to the rez is a pretty tough hike, especially in November.  Ya gotta go over the crest of the Cascades. I skied it in June one year, and there was still 20+ feet of snow at 9,000 feet, with lots of elevation to go.

But you could rest in the Washougal basin before it gets dicey.........................

fwiw, the MMA guys story is that the hijacker had a motorcycle stashed somewhere.

I feel like Cooper jumped when/where he jumped for a reason (wanting the stairs down at takeoff and jumping into a storm/ unpleasant conditions), therefore I bet he was pretty pissed that he had to jump in such bad weather. Obviously they didn't have the Weather Channel app back then!!

I've read somewhere that the Dam put off an enormous amount of light and certainly would have been visible even through thick cloud cover. Is it still like that?
 

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« Reply #835 on: March 09, 2015, 01:37:40 AM »
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Actually it hasnt been done before - you are the first - and this is good work! You are probably the first to work within the parameters of the FBI profile. Others posted pics "outside" the FBI profile no matter how unlike the profile their subjects were; all on the premise the FBI profile has no real value.

I think you should drop SA Curtis Eng a note in Seattle and just ask him if any indians on reservations were looked at in the Cooper case. You might get a nice reply if he has time?

I may do that! I don't know how to get in contact with him though...but I'm sure you do?

Also, I've emailed John Lake's son (who runs a webpage for his dad) to ask him if anyone has ever mentioned DB Cooper and his father in the same sentence.

try:
Seattle Division FBI Headquarters
attn: Special Agent Curtis Eng
1110 3rd Avenue
Seattle, WA 98101-2904
(206) 622-0460 (24 hours)
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I would give a brief statement of your credentials.


 

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« Reply #836 on: March 09, 2015, 01:49:59 AM »
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BTW: the 50 miles from Victor 23 to the rez is a pretty tough hike, especially in November.  Ya gotta go over the crest of the Cascades. I skied it in June one year, and there was still 20+ feet of snow at 9,000 feet, with lots of elevation to go.

But you could rest in the Washougal basin before it gets dicey.........................

fwiw, the MMA guys story is that the hijacker had a motorcycle stashed somewhere.

I feel like Cooper jumped when/where he jumped for a reason (wanting the stairs down at takeoff and jumping into a storm/ unpleasant conditions), therefore I bet he was pretty pissed that he had to jump in such bad weather. Obviously they didn't have the Weather Channel app back then!!

I've read somewhere that the Dam put off an enormous amount of light and certainly would have been visible even through thick cloud cover. Is it still like that?

He also had the option of hopping a freight train - regular routes west and north - however he runs the risk of tangling with hobos.
 

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« Reply #837 on: March 09, 2015, 03:27:17 AM »
Or walking into the first tavern he sees and calling a buddy for a ride.  After all, it's only fifty miles...

Or taking a bus from the Dalles. Or waiting for Jake and the transporters to come down from Cowlitz County.

Or....finding that stashed motorcycle.

Lots o' possibilities...
 

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« Reply #838 on: March 09, 2015, 06:15:09 AM »
It's my understanding that Bernie Geestman was in the area as a taxi service  ;D ;D ;D :P
 

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« Reply #839 on: March 09, 2015, 06:40:44 AM »
If he survived, and wanted to jump near the area believed, he could of had a boat for an escape? could also be how he got to Portland in the first place, and why is the theme from 007 running through my head now  ;D ;D