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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #795 on: March 05, 2015, 10:38:20 PM »
The above discussion has been moved to "General Questions About The Case"

 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #796 on: March 06, 2015, 04:45:34 PM »
Just had a thought!

Chael Sonnen, the MMA fighter, once said that he knows who DB Cooper is and that Cooper is a Native American from the area. Now, he's a master storyteller so it's very likely it's just BS.

HOWEVER, that got me thinking. DB really might have been/is a Native American! The olive complexion, "swarthy" look, and black hair all fit. Also, in Composite B, DB's eyes seem large and set widely apart, which is a classic Native American trait. For someone not used to seeing NA's, they would describe them as "ethnic" but not really be able to classify them as "hispanic" or whatever, and would therefore perhaps classify them in the broad stroke as "latin".

Consider this: The Native American resistance movement began around this same time. The Indian occupation of Alcatraz was from Nov. 69 to June 71. The hostile takeover of the Bureau of Indian Affairs took place in Nov. 72. DB fits square in the middle of these events. Consider his "grudge" statement. Indeed, the huge Yakama reservation is only 50 miles from Ariel.

Also, and this may be the biggest thing. As an attorney I've dealt with our local native tribe, the Choctaws, and their giant reservation a few times. It is VERY difficult. In fact, the relationship between the Feds and Indian reservations is so strange that Federal agents have to ASK PERMISSION from the local chief to enter the reservation to apprehend a suspect or serve an indictment!

Also, there were lots of Native Americans who served in many dangerous and high skill jobs during the Vietnam war as Pathfinders or members of LRRP (Long Range Recon Patrol). In fact, Native American vets are considered to be at a higher risk of severe PTSD than their white comrades:

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The Matsunaga Study's key finding is that exposure to war zone stress and other military danger places Veterans at risk for PTSD several decades after military service. Native Hawaiian and American Indian Vietnam in-country Veterans had relatively high levels of exposure to war zone stress and high levels of PTSD. Caucasian and Japanese American Veterans tended to have somewhat lower levels of exposure to war zone stress and later PTSD.

Seriously...DB could have VERY easily been a Native American veteran with a "grudge" who parachuted in that location to try and make a getaway to the Yakama reservation around 50 miles away.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #797 on: March 06, 2015, 04:54:56 PM »
I remember this story. Vicki supplied the link a while back. the prison system was pretty unstable in those years as well due to poor conditions. lots of media coverage ....can we go from Latin apperance to native american though?
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #798 on: March 06, 2015, 05:49:26 PM »
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Just had a thought!

Chael Sonnen, the MMA fighter, once said that he knows who DB Cooper is and that Cooper is a Native American from the area. Now, he's a master storyteller so it's very likely it's just BS.

HOWEVER, that got me thinking. DB really might have been/is a Native American! The olive complexion, "swarthy" look, and black hair all fit. Also, in Composite B, DB's eyes seem large and set widely apart, which is a classic Native American trait. For someone not used to seeing NA's, they would describe them as "ethnic" but not really be able to classify them as "hispanic" or whatever, and would therefore perhaps classify them in the broad stroke as "latin".

Consider this: The Native American resistance movement began around this same time. The Indian occupation of Alcatraz was from Nov. 69 to June 71. The hostile takeover of the Bureau of Indian Affairs took place in Nov. 72. DB fits square in the middle of these events. Consider his "grudge" statement. Indeed, the huge Yakama reservation is only 50 miles from Ariel.

Also, and this may be the biggest thing. As an attorney I've dealt with our local native tribe, the Choctaws, and their giant reservation a few times. It is VERY difficult. In fact, the relationship between the Feds and Indian reservations is so strange that Federal agents have to ASK PERMISSION from the local chief to enter the reservation to apprehend a suspect or serve an indictment!

Also, there were lots of Native Americans who served in many dangerous and high skill jobs during the Vietnam war as Pathfinders or members of LRRP (Long Range Recon Patrol). In fact, Native American vets are considered to be at a higher risk of severe PTSD than their white comrades:

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The Matsunaga Study's key finding is that exposure to war zone stress and other military danger places Veterans at risk for PTSD several decades after military service. Native Hawaiian and American Indian Vietnam in-country Veterans had relatively high levels of exposure to war zone stress and high levels of PTSD. Caucasian and Japanese American Veterans tended to have somewhat lower levels of exposure to war zone stress and later PTSD.

Seriously...DB could have VERY easily been a Native American veteran with a "grudge" who parachuted in that location to try and make a getaway to the Yakama reservation around 50 miles away.

The answer to this is obvious. Someone should run a  dna analysis within whatever it is the FBI has, or thinks it has.

However that may never happen, even if it's possible. The FBI seems to have lost all interest in the DB Cooper case and left it to outsiders to ponder and screw around with.  8)   But yours is a concrete proposal! It's refreshing to move from transsexuals in Four dimensions, to native american hapolytpes X2a and X2g!  ;)

Get the show on the road!  No funny business. :) :) :) :)

The partial can rule people out, we are told. Several thousand standard profiles of mixed lineage from the tribe can be compared to the partial.  If they are all "ruled out" well then ... ???

[edit] Pse notice: Mr. Blevins hasn't said one 'peep' about Kenny's brother's dna being run and sent to the FBI, assuming this was not just another hoax? Not a peep. Was the familiar profile ruled "in" or "out" by the lab or the FBI? Did the FBI share their profile of Cooper with the lab as Blevins wanted? Blevins aint saying! Blevins doesn't trust "science mongerers". Science Monger = Hate Monger, in Blevins book.

Sooner or later this matter of who Cooper was or was-not, is going to have to move from the status of conjecture to the objective category based on something factual .... or the whole thing is an idle conversation without end or purpose. 

Does Cooperland not trust the science community to help it? :D   
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #799 on: March 06, 2015, 05:50:03 PM »
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can we go from Latin apperance to native american though?

Easily. We aren't talking about Native Americans that look like Sitting Bull.

Some NA Vietnam vets:



This is Billy Mills, a Lakota Indian who won an Olympic gold medal and served in Vietnam




Or look at a modern Native actor, Adam Beach. You wouldn't look at this guy and go "yep, that's an Indian." If this man hijacked your plane and you were asked to state his ethnicity, would say "Native American"? I'd probably use the exact terms "Latin" or "Swarthy"



 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #800 on: March 06, 2015, 06:53:54 PM »
Maybe a kickstarter campaign to raise funds for some DNA typing? The FBI are so unimaginative.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #801 on: March 06, 2015, 07:49:30 PM »
Mills & Ramon I can see the Indian in them, Mills without a doubt. the guy on the bottom looks Latin. Flo was the one, I think that made the remark, nobody else did. isn't Flo Latin decent?
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #802 on: March 06, 2015, 08:33:56 PM »
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Mills & Ramon I can see the Indian in them, Mills without a doubt. the guy on the bottom looks Latin. Flo was the one, I think that made the remark, nobody else did. isn't Flo Latin decent?

Yes, Florence's mother was from the Philippine Islands. Although it is an Asian country, it was colonized by the Spanish in the 1500's.

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #803 on: March 06, 2015, 09:37:42 PM »
Hey OMC, put me on the Native American wagon train, too!
 

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« Reply #804 on: March 06, 2015, 11:30:51 PM »
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Maybe a kickstarter campaign to raise funds for some DNA typing? The FBI are so unimaginative.

Not needed. Standing offers have been made to the FBI. Quantico exists because of a steady flow of academics in and out of universities, govt work, and industry. Funding is no issue.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #805 on: March 07, 2015, 12:01:40 AM »
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Hey OMC, put me on the Native American wagon train, too!

Hell yes. It just hit me like an epiphany all the sudden this afternoon. I just started thinking about all the Natives that I encounter all the time since the Choctaw reservation is very near to where I live. So many modern NA's don't look "Indian" in a traditional sense. At this point they've had well over a hundred years (and even longer where I'm from) of interbreeding. Heck, I'm 1/8th Choctaw. My grandfather was full one-half Choctaw and he didn't look "Indian". The wide eyes, olive skin, and jet black hair were all still there though:



I just feel like the Native American angle makes a lot of sense:

- Olive skin, but yet he lacked a strong enough ethnic profile for them to definitively say "Hispanic" or "South American", etc.
- Black hair
- Dark eyes
- The politics of the period (beginning of the American Indian Resistance Movement such as the Occupation of Alcatraz against the Feds from Nov 69 to June 71, the hostile takeover of the Bureau of Indian Affairs for six days in November 72, the Wounded Knee standoff against the Feds for 71 days starting in February 1973, and so on)
- The enormous 2,000 square mile Yakama Indian Reservation located just 50 miles away from the area where he jumped.
- Growing up in the reservation he would have clearly learned how to manage himself in the wilderness and would not have feared it.
- 82,000 Native Americans served in Vietnam. That's an enormous amount for such a small demographic. Indeed, many NA men joined the military throughout the 1950's and 60's as a way to escape the poverty of the reservations.
- Would be almost impossible to track or interview once he disappeared within the reservation and given the politics of the time, it's doubtful that the Tribal leaders would have cooperated much. Like I said previously, the Feds LITERALLY have to ask permission to even be allowed on the reservation.




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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #806 on: March 07, 2015, 01:05:42 AM »
It's a good concept to look into. a refreshing view vs Christiansen, and Weber constantly bouncing off the walls.

Live, or dead the secret would probably stay with them.
 

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« Reply #807 on: March 07, 2015, 01:18:38 PM »
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Hey OMC, put me on the Native American wagon train, too!

Hell yes. It just hit me like an epiphany all the sudden this afternoon. I just started thinking about all the Natives that I encounter all the time since the Choctaw reservation is very near to where I live. So many modern NA's don't look "Indian" in a traditional sense. At this point they've had well over a hundred years (and even longer where I'm from) of interbreeding. Heck, I'm 1/8th Choctaw. My grandfather was full one-half Choctaw and he didn't look "Indian". The wide eyes, olive skin, and jet black hair were all still there though:



I just feel like the Native American angle makes a lot of sense:

- Olive skin, but yet he lacked a strong enough ethnic profile for them to definitively say "Hispanic" or "South American", etc.
- Black hair
- Dark eyes
- The politics of the period (beginning of the American Indian Resistance Movement such as the Occupation of Alcatraz against the Feds from Nov 69 to June 71, the hostile takeover of the Bureau of Indian Affairs for six days in November 72, the Wounded Knee standoff against the Feds for 71 days starting in February 1973, and so on)
- The enormous 2,000 square mile Yakama Indian Reservation located just 50 miles away from the area where he jumped.
- Growing up in the reservation he would have clearly learned how to manage himself in the wilderness and would not have feared it.
- 82,000 Native Americans served in Vietnam. That's an enormous amount for such a small demographic. Indeed, many NA men joined the military throughout the 1950's and 60's as a way to escape the poverty of the reservations.
- Would be almost impossible to track or interview once he disappeared within the reservation and given the politics of the time, it's doubtful that the Tribal leaders would have cooperated much. Like I said previously, the Feds LITERALLY have to ask permission to even be allowed on the reservation.



So, if I may be so bold, 'where did he jump'? !

The enormous 2,000 square mile Yakama Indian Reservation located just 50 miles away from the area where he jumped.

How does money get to Tina Bar? And what explains Titanium on his tie?  And when does your True-TV Channel special air?

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #808 on: March 07, 2015, 01:24:19 PM »
He jumped wherever he jumped! Who the heck knows!  8)

Obviously there wasn't a flight path over the reservation, but I have to believe that Cooper knew the vicinity of where he was when he jumped. Otherwise, why did he want to jump so soon after takeoff?

I'm not even arguing that he survived with this hypothesis, just suggesting that whoever he was, he may have been an angry Native American. Like you said earlier, that surely is a better theory than someone going through a transgendered life crisis.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #809 on: March 07, 2015, 01:45:24 PM »
We don't have a majority of the witnesses seeing any latin in Cooper. are you stating possibly a small amount? what about the "Mid Western" accent? 

It's a possibility, and we should take a look at it....