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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #705 on: January 31, 2015, 02:39:35 AM »
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Gregor ... there's very little evidence that KC (I'm presuming that's Kenny Christensen) has ever worked with NWA. I think relation between him and Tina is same as "Apple is on the table, table is on the ground, so apple is on ground" ... I guess most of us have resigned to sheer sensationalism here ...


Whoa, Thou-Thingy, Kenny didn't work for NWO!  Yikes-

So, any thoughts on where he did work?


I am not entirely sure however I have a vague memory of reading somewhere that the family stated that he worked very briefly with NWA and then left for some Latin American airline or something.
Honestly my "belief" is that that picture was probably taken for taking a picture in an airline uniform, in 70s especially in early 70s that is highly likely.
Also I may be wrong here, however isn't he wearing the captains stripes? Can someone verify that? If yes then the uniform was definitely nothing but a costume party gig.

The shoulder boards that KC is wearing in the photograph that Georger attached above means that he is a purser.  Also note that he is obviously in an aircraft cabin and not at some costume party.

KC also received a letter, which is available somewhere online, from NWA management congratulating him on his 25th year of service with NWA.

So KC was a long time employee of NWA, and he had paratrooper training in the military, but there is no evidence whatsoever that he was involved in the Cooper hijacking.

source please?

It is all in Blevin's book, "Into the Blast. The True Story of DB Cooper". Just shoot him a PM on the DZ and he will send you a PDF. Ask for his last revised copy of his last revised copy.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #706 on: January 31, 2015, 04:27:12 AM »
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Gregor ... there's very little evidence that KC (I'm presuming that's Kenny Christensen) has ever worked with NWA. I think relation between him and Tina is same as "Apple is on the table, table is on the ground, so apple is on ground" ... I guess most of us have resigned to sheer sensationalism here ...


Whoa, Thou-Thingy, Kenny didn't work for NWO!  Yikes-

So, any thoughts on where he did work?


I am not entirely sure however I have a vague memory of reading somewhere that the family stated that he worked very briefly with NWA and then left for some Latin American airline or something.
Honestly my "belief" is that that picture was probably taken for taking a picture in an airline uniform, in 70s especially in early 70s that is highly likely.
Also I may be wrong here, however isn't he wearing the captains stripes? Can someone verify that? If yes then the uniform was definitely nothing but a costume party gig.

The shoulder boards that KC is wearing in the photograph that Georger attached above means that he is a purser.  Also note that he is obviously in an aircraft cabin and not at some costume party.

KC also received a letter, which is available somewhere online, from NWA management congratulating him on his 25th year of service with NWA.

So KC was a long time employee of NWA, and he had paratrooper training in the military, but there is no evidence whatsoever that he was involved in the Cooper hijacking.

source please?

On a related topic, don't let Mr. Blevins twist it. He knows very well that Lyle Christiansen gave an interview on the Mike Fitzsimmon's Show in Washington.  I and a poster named Farflung broke that news on DZ years ago and Blevins was quick to deny it ever happened. Blevins denied it for weeks calling me a liar at one point. I just sat and let him run his mouth until finally Farflung and I both posted the "facts" including Mr. Fitzsimmons contact info. Farflung challenged Blevins to contact Fitzsimmons - Blevins refused to. So Blevins knows very well the Fitzsimmons interview happened and is real. In the interview Lyle admits that he really does not think Kenny was DB Cooper ... just that a plot using an employee of NWA (like his brother) would be a "good idea for a movie". In fact, you are perfectly free to contact Fitzsimons yourself to verify the story! There is no question the interview happened, as Fitzsimmons describes it, and Blevins knows very well it happened. So far as is known, Blevins never has not bothered to contact Fitzsimmons. So, when Blevins says he has no personal knowledge the interview happened, he is just dodging the issue, as he dodges all important issues.

Mr. Blevins has a bad habit of distorting and twisting everything. Or just plain lying if it serves his purpose. He keeps saying he only visits this website every month or so, quote: "Usually I drop by there once a month or so, just to see if they've discovered anything new, but I try not to comment too much these days on specific content I see there," And yet tonight he quoted me using a word I only posted a day ago here! He posts almost every day about something someone has said here.

This ridiculous stuff has been going on for five long years! Blevins is the only person who keeps it going ... the rest of us gave up a long time ago and only rise to defend ourselves from Blevins ... thus this group was formed to try and discuss the Cooper case because it was impossible to do that at Dropzone.

End of story!
 
 PS: With the release of the Fitzsimmons interview information and Blevins continuing to deny such an interview ever happened, without Blevins even talking to Lyle!, Jo Weber picked up on this and she contacted Lyle C. at his hometown and spoke with him twice that I know of. Jo posted her info on Dropzone and Blevins denied that had happened also!

Jo posts again tonight saying: "skyjack71 wrote:
I personally spoke with Lyle 4 times and the conversation regarding what I wrote is the truth - the WHOLE truth & nothing, but the truth so help me GOD!

Lyle has played a cruel game with you Blevins and he just thought it would make a good story - that was his words."

Now Blevins claims none of this matters! After denying any of this happened! He says in reply to Jo tonight that he has evidence independent that KC was DB Cooper ...... so Blevins hoax continues and will continue ... 

   

 

   
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #707 on: January 31, 2015, 08:19:37 AM »
Since we were on the topic of identifying photo's, I thought I would try something. I put KC's photo in a sketch form. now, this is a sketch from an actual photo, but I still fail to see any resemblance to the Cooper sketch. I see details a lot stronger that I've noticed in the past.

1) Kenny's face is rounded
2) Kenny's nose doesn't match.
3) Kenny's eyebrow's are different.
4) Kenny's chin is also rounded.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #708 on: January 31, 2015, 09:50:22 AM »
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Since we were on the topic of identifying photo's, I thought I would try something. I put KC's photo in a sketch form. now, this is a sketch from an actual photo, but I still fail to see any resemblance to the Cooper sketch. I see details a lot stronger that I've noticed in the past.

1) Kenny's face is rounded
2) Kenny's nose doesn't match.
3) Kenny's eyebrow's are different.
4) Kenny's chin is also rounded.

Not bad.  There is a resemblance there.  I'm in the camp of those who think "Sketch A" is fairly accurate and more accurate than "Sketch B". 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #709 on: January 31, 2015, 10:02:53 AM »
Interesting, where do you see a resemblance, and do you feel Kenny looks like Duane, or Lepsy? Weber was matched to the sketch as well years ago by software.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #710 on: January 31, 2015, 10:29:01 AM »
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Interesting, where do you see a resemblance, and do you feel Kenny looks like Duane, or Lepsy? Weber was matched to the sketch as well years ago by software.
Duane Webber's mouth is way too wide.  That, coupled with his ears, is a "silver bullet".  Kenny's features are in the ballpark of those presented in "Sketch A", but he doesn't resemble "Sketch B" much at all.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #711 on: January 31, 2015, 10:41:53 AM »
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Since we were on the topic of identifying photo's, I thought I would try something. I put KC's photo in a sketch form. now, this is a sketch from an actual photo, but I still fail to see any resemblance to the Cooper sketch. I see details a lot stronger that I've noticed in the past.

1) Kenny's face is rounded
2) Kenny's nose doesn't match.
3) Kenny's eyebrow's are different.
4) Kenny's chin is also rounded.

Not bad.  There is a resemblance there.  I'm in the camp of those who think "Sketch A" is fairly accurate and more accurate than "Sketch B".

Bill Mitchell, the witness who sat across the aisle from Cooper, states that the sketch was not accurate.

In a recent email with me Mitchell said, "his cheeks, chin and neck looked more like what I thought he looked like.  I had always thought the composite drawing had his face to thin". In an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, Flo is asked to redo the sketch with a police sketch artist. She stated the sketch was not accurate also. She also said she would NEVER forget his face.

So how much faith should we put into the sketches? I believe that the physical descriptions made by the flight attendants and Mitchell should over-rule the sketches. They should only be used as a baseline.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #712 on: January 31, 2015, 10:44:54 AM »
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Since we were on the topic of identifying photo's, I thought I would try something. I put KC's photo in a sketch form. now, this is a sketch from an actual photo, but I still fail to see any resemblance to the Cooper sketch. I see details a lot stronger that I've noticed in the past.

1) Kenny's face is rounded
2) Kenny's nose doesn't match.
3) Kenny's eyebrow's are different.
4) Kenny's chin is also rounded.

When faced with multiple "puppet masters" I would turn this issue over to the Mods that run Dropzone and let them decide! That sounds obtuse, but in fact it is (or has become) obtuse. Science and physical measurement and reason do not govern this matter, and if Blevins' and Weber's and Paul Quade's and Geoff Gray's contentions are correct 'fair impartiality' did not govern this process in the first place - so all sketches may be wrong! Only the dead certainty of a Moderator's certainty and fairness can decide this crucial matter! And as crazy as it sounds, "the best minds around" seem to be telling us "Cooper could and did look like anybody"! Isn't that what the "best minds" are telling us?

I think only Tom Kaye can resolve this because Tom has the D4DR gene and dealt with paint guns and talks with the "superior minds" at Dropzone.

Maybe this issue is an issue of money! How much would it take to get a correct ID and who do we pay? There are so many standing in line to be greased! Whose "superior mind" do we pay off first? I will pick one: Geoff Gray?

Last night was a revelation to me. I think I have found the keys to the whole Cooper case.
 

 
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #713 on: January 31, 2015, 10:49:10 AM »
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Since we were on the topic of identifying photo's, I thought I would try something. I put KC's photo in a sketch form. now, this is a sketch from an actual photo, but I still fail to see any resemblance to the Cooper sketch. I see details a lot stronger that I've noticed in the past.

1) Kenny's face is rounded
2) Kenny's nose doesn't match.
3) Kenny's eyebrow's are different.
4) Kenny's chin is also rounded.

Not bad.  There is a resemblance there.  I'm in the camp of those who think "Sketch A" is fairly accurate and more accurate than "Sketch B".

Bill Mitchell, the witness who sat across the aisle from Cooper, states that the sketch was not accurate.

In a recent email with me Mitchell said, "his cheeks, chin and neck looked more like what I thought he looked like.  I had always thought the composite drawing had his face to thin". In an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, Flo is asked to redo the sketch with a police sketch artist. She stated the sketch was not accurate also. She also said she would NEVER forget his face.

So how much faith should we put into the sketches? I believe that the physical descriptions made by the flight attendants and Mitchell should over-rule the sketches. They should only be used as a baseline.

How old did Bill Mitchell say "Cooper" was? 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #714 on: January 31, 2015, 10:53:14 AM »
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Since we were on the topic of identifying photo's, I thought I would try something. I put KC's photo in a sketch form. now, this is a sketch from an actual photo, but I still fail to see any resemblance to the Cooper sketch. I see details a lot stronger that I've noticed in the past.

1) Kenny's face is rounded
2) Kenny's nose doesn't match.
3) Kenny's eyebrow's are different.
4) Kenny's chin is also rounded.

Not bad.  There is a resemblance there.  I'm in the camp of those who think "Sketch A" is fairly accurate and more accurate than "Sketch B".

Bill Mitchell, the witness who sat across the aisle from Cooper, states that the sketch was not accurate.

In a recent email with me Mitchell said, "his cheeks, chin and neck looked more like what I thought he looked like.  I had always thought the composite drawing had his face to thin". In an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, Flo is asked to redo the sketch with a police sketch artist. She stated the sketch was not accurate also. She also said she would NEVER forget his face.

So how much faith should we put into the sketches? I believe that the physical descriptions made by the flight attendants and Mitchell should over-rule the sketches. They should only be used as a baseline.

A baseline for what!? That's the whole question. A baseline for fat-thin? Narrow-wide? Raised-recessed? Was he both Democrat and Republican? A Democran or a Republicrat, and what in hell do those things look like on the Richter scale of Truth? Somebody or some-thing has to decide this or our children are going to grow up confused and idiots!
 

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« Reply #715 on: January 31, 2015, 10:58:14 AM »
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Since we were on the topic of identifying photo's, I thought I would try something. I put KC's photo in a sketch form. now, this is a sketch from an actual photo, but I still fail to see any resemblance to the Cooper sketch. I see details a lot stronger that I've noticed in the past.

1) Kenny's face is rounded
2) Kenny's nose doesn't match.
3) Kenny's eyebrow's are different.
4) Kenny's chin is also rounded.

Not bad.  There is a resemblance there.  I'm in the camp of those who think "Sketch A" is fairly accurate and more accurate than "Sketch B".

Bill Mitchell, the witness who sat across the aisle from Cooper, states that the sketch was not accurate.

In a recent email with me Mitchell said, "his cheeks, chin and neck looked more like what I thought he looked like.  I had always thought the composite drawing had his face to thin". In an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, Flo is asked to redo the sketch with a police sketch artist. She stated the sketch was not accurate also. She also said she would NEVER forget his face.

So how much faith should we put into the sketches? I believe that the physical descriptions made by the flight attendants and Mitchell should over-rule the sketches. They should only be used as a baseline.

How old did Bill Mitchell say "Cooper" was?

An "older man" ?

Face it!  What Gray has done here citing Mitchell is break the ID mold. Anything is possible. If black is russet, and
thin is wide to wider, then age could be almost anything and Tina's ID is out the window completely.

Pick what you want it to be and "that" is what it is. I think Cooper must have looked like George Washington. 
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« Reply #716 on: January 31, 2015, 11:02:18 AM »
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Since we were on the topic of identifying photo's, I thought I would try something. I put KC's photo in a sketch form. now, this is a sketch from an actual photo, but I still fail to see any resemblance to the Cooper sketch. I see details a lot stronger that I've noticed in the past.

1) Kenny's face is rounded
2) Kenny's nose doesn't match.
3) Kenny's eyebrow's are different.
4) Kenny's chin is also rounded.

Not bad.  There is a resemblance there.  I'm in the camp of those who think "Sketch A" is fairly accurate and more accurate than "Sketch B".

Bill Mitchell, the witness who sat across the aisle from Cooper, states that the sketch was not accurate.

In a recent email with me Mitchell said, "his cheeks, chin and neck looked more like what I thought he looked like.  I had always thought the composite drawing had his face to thin". In an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, Flo is asked to redo the sketch with a police sketch artist. She stated the sketch was not accurate also. She also said she would NEVER forget his face.

So how much faith should we put into the sketches? I believe that the physical descriptions made by the flight attendants and Mitchell should over-rule the sketches. They should only be used as a baseline.

A baseline for what!? That's the whole question. A baseline for fat-thin? Narrow-wide? Raised-recessed? Was he both Democrat and Republican? A Democran or a Republicrat, and what in hell do those things look like on the Richter scale of Truth? Somebody or some-thing has to decide this or our children are going to grow up confused and idiots!

A baseline.....Well georger how many blonde or ginger suspects with tight curly waves have been identified as being Cooper? When identifying a suspect there has to be a baseline.
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« Reply #717 on: January 31, 2015, 11:04:09 AM »
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Since we were on the topic of identifying photo's, I thought I would try something. I put KC's photo in a sketch form. now, this is a sketch from an actual photo, but I still fail to see any resemblance to the Cooper sketch. I see details a lot stronger that I've noticed in the past.

1) Kenny's face is rounded
2) Kenny's nose doesn't match.
3) Kenny's eyebrow's are different.
4) Kenny's chin is also rounded.

Not bad.  There is a resemblance there.  I'm in the camp of those who think "Sketch A" is fairly accurate and more accurate than "Sketch B".

Bill Mitchell, the witness who sat across the aisle from Cooper, states that the sketch was not accurate.

In a recent email with me Mitchell said, "his cheeks, chin and neck looked more like what I thought he looked like.  I had always thought the composite drawing had his face to thin". In an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, Flo is asked to redo the sketch with a police sketch artist. She stated the sketch was not accurate also. She also said she would NEVER forget his face.

So how much faith should we put into the sketches? I believe that the physical descriptions made by the flight attendants and Mitchell should over-rule the sketches. They should only be used as a baseline.

How old did Bill Mitchell say "Cooper" was?

An "older man" ?

Mitchell was 20 at the time. I did not specifically ask, but this is a passage from his email:

"Again it was 43 years ago and I don't have the clear picture in my mind.  But I do remember my reaction to certain things. (as I told the FBI, I was a sophomore at University of Oregon and couldn't understand why this older guy was getting all the attention from the flight attendant!! I checked him out pretty well )"
 
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« Reply #718 on: January 31, 2015, 11:06:11 AM »
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Since we were on the topic of identifying photo's, I thought I would try something. I put KC's photo in a sketch form. now, this is a sketch from an actual photo, but I still fail to see any resemblance to the Cooper sketch. I see details a lot stronger that I've noticed in the past.

1) Kenny's face is rounded
2) Kenny's nose doesn't match.
3) Kenny's eyebrow's are different.
4) Kenny's chin is also rounded.

Not bad.  There is a resemblance there.  I'm in the camp of those who think "Sketch A" is fairly accurate and more accurate than "Sketch B".

Bill Mitchell, the witness who sat across the aisle from Cooper, states that the sketch was not accurate.

In a recent email with me Mitchell said, "his cheeks, chin and neck looked more like what I thought he looked like.  I had always thought the composite drawing had his face to thin". In an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, Flo is asked to redo the sketch with a police sketch artist. She stated the sketch was not accurate also. She also said she would NEVER forget his face.

So how much faith should we put into the sketches? I believe that the physical descriptions made by the flight attendants and Mitchell should over-rule the sketches. They should only be used as a baseline.

A baseline for what!? That's the whole question. A baseline for fat-thin? Narrow-wide? Raised-recessed? Was he both Democrat and Republican? A Democran or a Republicrat, and what in hell do those things look like on the Richter scale of Truth? Somebody or some-thing has to decide this or our children are going to grow up confused and idiots!

A baseline.....Well georger how many blonde or ginger suspects with tight curly waves have been identified as being Cooper? When identifying a suspect there has to be a baseline.

So, set a baseline and we all follow it. Black red brown with marcelled blond hair?
 

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« Reply #719 on: January 31, 2015, 11:07:34 AM »
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Since we were on the topic of identifying photo's, I thought I would try something. I put KC's photo in a sketch form. now, this is a sketch from an actual photo, but I still fail to see any resemblance to the Cooper sketch. I see details a lot stronger that I've noticed in the past.

1) Kenny's face is rounded
2) Kenny's nose doesn't match.
3) Kenny's eyebrow's are different.
4) Kenny's chin is also rounded.

Not bad.  There is a resemblance there.  I'm in the camp of those who think "Sketch A" is fairly accurate and more accurate than "Sketch B".

Bill Mitchell, the witness who sat across the aisle from Cooper, states that the sketch was not accurate.

In a recent email with me Mitchell said, "his cheeks, chin and neck looked more like what I thought he looked like.  I had always thought the composite drawing had his face to thin". In an episode of Unsolved Mysteries, Flo is asked to redo the sketch with a police sketch artist. She stated the sketch was not accurate also. She also said she would NEVER forget his face.

So how much faith should we put into the sketches? I believe that the physical descriptions made by the flight attendants and Mitchell should over-rule the sketches. They should only be used as a baseline.

How old did Bill Mitchell say "Cooper" was?

An "older man" ?

Mitchell was 20 at the time. I did not specifically ask, but this is a passage from his email, "Again it was 43 years ago and I don't have the clear picture in my mind.  But I do remember my reaction to certain things. (as I told the FBI, I was a sophomore at University of Oregon and couldn't understand why this older guy was getting all the attention from the flight attendant!! I checked him out pretty well )"

Does Mitchell give a height range?

Has anyone ever bothered to ask Mitchell WHY his description and the FBI description are so far at odds? Or are questions like that not allowed in Cooperland?

 
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