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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #630 on: January 15, 2015, 10:45:34 AM »
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I'm going to call the FBI and see if I can get the following changed.

1) Cooper was between 4'9" & 6' 4"
2) Cooper was bald on top, but could of used Ron Popeil's spray on hair.
3) Cooper was between the ages of 29-60
4) Cooper worked in the airlines. probably a Purser.
5) Cooper was known to be the same height as Tina Mucklow (outside the aircraft)
6) Cooper weighed 130-190
7) Cooper had a light skin tone (outside the cabin)

This will be a one time deal. I can't keep sending them false information all the time. this will be sent in a PDF format. not all of the changes will be made public. I have a trust issue in Cooperville. you know how it is, right?  :P

Shutter,
You nailed this one when you posted a Larry Carr quote as your tag line.  Some people are just so sure that their guy is Cooper that any contradictory information has to be wrong and must be discounted some how.  You can't reason with these people or present any alternate argument.  They already "know" who Cooper is.

Robert has to discount what are pretty consistent descriptions between the two people (Flo and Tina) who had reason to take note of his description while still in his presence.  Discounting that description might be reasonable if there were other compelling evidence for Kenny, but........haven't we talked about this already? ;)
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #631 on: January 15, 2015, 11:28:19 AM »
You really can't use other crimes about descriptions with this case. several witnesses had a lot of time spent with Cooper. most crimes only last seconds to minutes. the witnesses don't get a lot of time for a description and you get mixed results. the passengers are a good example of this.

I'll use the FBI again as a source....



Here Agent Larry Carr discusses description.

"Folly of physical description." I don't recall who brought this up but I do recall the post. The work that has been conducted on eye witness identification has focused from the traditional aspect of violent crime. A fleeting encounter with a subject who is committing a crime that last less than a minute.

For example, a typical bank robbery (my area of focus) lasts 20 seconds or less. The robber approaches, passes his demand note to the teller, the teller reads, complies and the robber runs out of the bank.

In this situation the tellers get the description wrong most of the time. Not absolutely wrong, but wrong enough that sometimes I can't find on the video the person they described.

The Cooper case was nothing like this. Every person who had contact with Cooper described him consistently. The two individuals who had the most contact with him were separated for the flight, so they had little chance to get together and discuss Cooper. Schaffner got off the plane in Seattle, Mucklow in Reno, both were interviewed that night and gave consistent descriptions.

They described the situation as calm and Cooper as calm, quiet and polite. In fact, Tina described joking with Cooper towards the end of the flight and Schaffner described him as child like. In other words no trauma that would taint the description.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #632 on: January 15, 2015, 11:51:43 AM »
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I'm going to call the FBI and see if I can get the following changed.

1) Cooper was between 4'9" & 6' 4"
2) Cooper was bald on top, but could of used Ron Popeil's spray on hair.
3) Cooper was between the ages of 29-60
4) Cooper worked in the airlines. probably a Purser.
5) Cooper was known to be the same height as Tina Mucklow (outside the aircraft)
6) Cooper weighed 130-190
7) Cooper had a light skin tone (outside the cabin)

This will be a one time deal. I can't keep sending them false information all the time. this will be sent in a PDF format. not all of the changes will be made public. I have a trust issue in Cooperville. you know how it is, right?  :P

Shutter,
You nailed this one when you posted a Larry Carr quote as your tag line.  Some people are just so sure that their guy is Cooper that any contradictory information has to be wrong and must be discounted some how.  You can't reason with these people or present any alternate argument.  They already "know" who Cooper is.

Robert has to discount what are pretty consistent descriptions between the two people (Flo and Tina) who had reason to take note of his description while still in his presence.  Discounting that description might be reasonable if there were other compelling evidence for Kenny, but........haven't we talked about this already? ;)

We have been over this so any times; it has become nauseating!

Blevins whole statement on this issue is falsehoods and propaganda. It's absurd on it's face! It's is so absurd there is no excuse for it other than as intentional propaganda seeking to sow doubt and disruption, in weak minds who know no better. He has been repeating this mantra of falsehoods since 8-2010 on a website run by skydivers who supposedly pride themselves in technical accuracy. Who can explain this contradiction in terms!?
Let's look at Blevins restatement of this B>S> from last night, quote:

"I wasn't 'claiming' anything. It was just a subjective experience I related from a flight I took on another 727The point was plain and simple. Boone looked taller than he really was. And I think being inside an airliner cabin had something to do with it. This is because once he was out in the open, it was easy to see he was shorter than I was. Not scientific, just a personal observation.

Maybe this is the reason even the stewardesses couldn't agree on how tall Cooper was exactly, and the same thing goes for the other witnesses. No matter how you cut the mustard, descriptions by witnesses on Cooper ran anywhere from 'No taller than five-nine' (Robert Gregory) 'Six feet, no shorter' (Flo Schaffner) 'Between five ten and six feet' (Tina Mucklow) So who is right?"

[1] Of course Bevins is claiming something! He is claiming all of the descriptions of Cooper were "all over the map (his words)" and so inconsistent and unreliable as to allow his candidate Christiansen who was 5feet 8inches to be seen as being taller - 6 feet or more! The FBI and others say the descriptions were quite consistent or even 'remarkably consistent'. So who is right? Blevins, the FBI, others... ?  Blevins claims is is right and everyone else is wrong on this point. 

[2] Blevins claims an actual instance as the basis of his argument, he himself experienced on an airplane. A person appeared to him taller inside an airplane than on the ground in the open. From this Blevins wants to alter physical optics seen by all humans inside airplanes! Again, Blevins' premise is that he saw what he claims he saw and is not lying or was not mistaken, and  his claimed experience is 'universal' and the standard by which everyone else should be judged , and that 'he' is the perfect detector and everyone else is an imperfect detector! Blevins is claiming he is the 'gold standard' against which everyone and everything else should be judged! And, he says all of this after just saying: "  It was just a subjective experience I had!  Blevins is contradicting himself!

[3] In #2 above Blevins has established a straw man - an unproved fallacy. Now Blevins does what Blevins always does, he uses his straw man fallacy and draws a sweeping untrue conclusion from that, namely: "Maybe this is the reason even the stewardesses couldn't agree on how tall Cooper was exactly, and the same thing goes for the other witnesses." Blevins' argument is plainly circular. He is assuming the truth of the proposition he is trying to prove!

The whole thing is a gimmick Blevins always employs, when the true facts do not support his claims.

Blevins has been engaging in his straw man fallacies since the day he appeared at Dropzone. I am convinced he literally doesn't know the difference! Blevins is just profoundly unscrupulous and deluded, and he doesn't know the difference. And time after time since 2010, when these problems with his thinking are pointed out, his habit is to turn tail and run saying: "I never said that!, and what he does is slink back to try another reformulation of what he has just said and he posts that also ... endlessly. And he will do it again because he is up against the wall and ran out of real options clear back about 2012!

It is now 2015! Maybe this whole charade is as simple as Blevins needing his eyes checked!

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #633 on: January 15, 2015, 12:09:47 PM »
It's pretty simple, when you constantly disagree with actual facts, or change them you are not going to get very far. the guy pleaded for people to check his story. what happened when this occurred? he turned on them.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #634 on: January 15, 2015, 12:17:16 PM »
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It's pretty simple, when you constantly disagree with actual facts, or change them you are not going to get very far. the guy pleaded for people to check his story. what happened when this occurred? he turned on them.

If we followed Mr. Blevins prescriptions for reality, we would still be back in the Stone Age with a flat Earth and holding our tails in our hands addressing rocks and trees and clouds expecting an answer from the gods!   :-\  There is always some monkey who presumes to speak for THE TRUTH! That creature is usually LOST and in need to ASSISTANCE HIMSELF!! The idea that HE is going to lead anyone out of the wilderness IS PURE FICTION!
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #635 on: January 15, 2015, 12:54:38 PM »
There is one more idiotic thing I am going to address with the crazy woman Jo Weber making personal claims about me and others (Bruce Smith) bandying it around on the Dropzone Wacko Forum: that I was somehow involved in the JFK Assassination, Nov 22, 1963 ?  It is preposterous on it's face.

On Nov 22, 1963 I was 18 years old, a full time freshman student at a University on a scholarship enrolled in music and physics courses... I was living in a dormitory with a classmate from my home town, I was working as dish washer in the dorm dinning service at the evening meal, scheduled to move into a campus Fraternity, and I didn't even have a car!    :P

On the Thanksgiving weekend of Nov 22nd 1963, I went in for surgery on the evening of Nov 21st, was in surgery on Nov 22nd, and woke up from surgery and was released from the hospital the evening of Nov 22nd and taken back to my hometown 120 miles away, and I woke up about 10:00am the next morning and was helped to the bathroom where I took a shower, then went into my grandmother's front room where I collapsed under a blanket on the couch - someone switched the TV on and now I am becoming aware of what had happened in the world over the weekend . . . and the TV was on CBS news and now I am watching a lot of people gathered in some hallway in the basement of a police building, and they are bringing some guy through the hallway (some guy named Oswald?), and some guy darts out from the crowd and "POW!" shoots this "Oswald" in the gut .... and I muttered to the people in our living room ... "WTF is this!?" .....

That is where I was and how I spent the weekend of the JFK assassination in 1963, at the age of 18!

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #636 on: January 15, 2015, 12:59:59 PM »
You sure your not the guy that was in the grassy knoll  :D ;D :o
 

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« Reply #637 on: January 15, 2015, 01:22:34 PM »
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You sure your not the guy that was in the grassy knoll  :D ;D :o

The only grassy knoll I encountered that weekend was the grassy knoll on Sally!
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« Reply #638 on: January 15, 2015, 01:25:46 PM »
Ah, yes, the old school grassy knoll  ;D ;D ;D
 

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« Reply #639 on: January 15, 2015, 04:13:14 PM »
Georger, I thought you were the Man with the Black Umbrella. No?
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #640 on: January 15, 2015, 05:11:00 PM »
I agree.  The stewardesses' description is probably pretty accurate, except the age thing.  They got that part wrong  ;)  (see attached meme)
"If you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you’ve always got." - Henry Ford
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #641 on: January 15, 2015, 06:40:13 PM »
Well, the bottom line is that the FBI certainly don't seem to be open to the idea of KC being Cooper. Unless he has some bombshell that can change their mind, the new report will go in a file cabinet never to be retrieved. Anything short of putting KC on that plane, or a Cooper 20 just isn't going to convince them of anything. Contrary to what some believe, the FBI are not dummies.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #642 on: January 15, 2015, 06:54:08 PM »
Robert, and Jo try there hardest to make you believe there stories. they don't want to hear anything that could throw a wrench into things. Jo is coming up on two decades of trying to make people believe. Robert is approaching a decade. that speaks volumes IMO.

I did nothing but show him the faults in his story. now I'm a hate monger, not to be trusted etc. that's there fuel to get people on there side. I haven't even read the report he posted a while back (last week or so?) his witnesses are extremely questionable to where it's not worth the hassle of researching.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #643 on: January 15, 2015, 08:25:07 PM »
Parrot, you raise an interesting point: if the FBI are "not dummies," then what are they?  How would you characterize the Norjak investigation?

1.  Unlucky.
2. Solid, but need more resources.
3. Top-notch, but some crimes are just unsolvable.
4. Federal bureaucracies are like women: hard to manage, never on time, and rarely get the job done
5. Okay as cops, but they need more time
6. Sloppy at times, but basically decent.
7. Better than NCIS!
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #644 on: January 15, 2015, 08:29:43 PM »
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Well, the bottom line is that the FBI certainly don't seem to be open to the idea of KC being Cooper. Unless he has some bombshell that can change their mind, the new report will go in a file cabinet never to be retrieved. Anything short of putting KC on that plane, or a Cooper 20 just isn't going to convince them of anything. Contrary to what some believe, the FBI are not dummies.

If a document is sent to the FBI, somebody has to read it.  You just never know what someone could send you.

Robert didn't post it for us to read, only a six page summary.  The six page summary was all speculation -- nothing that could even prompt the FBI to think about questioning someone.  It will take their time that could have been spent on other things and they'll hear from Robert again when he sends out his next "final" report.