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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #600 on: December 18, 2014, 01:05:11 PM »
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Georger, you gotta man - up and smoke a real stogie.

Yes, the Latin needs a closer examination.  I wonder if Flo and Tina ever discussed it.

Has anyone remotely even mentioned Cooper could've simply just had a tan? Apart from Flo's "Latin" comment has there been any other suggestions, gestures, phrasing, that would agree to the Latin aspect?



My guess is Flo's comment was based not just on complexion but mannerisms and affect.
It's as much subjective as anything but broken down can be quanitified.

It's a guess. A good one. Who knows? I think we discussed that Flo's background and also her sense of heightened threat could result in her picking up on subtleties others had missed but is it backed up by anyone else in direct connection with Cooper?

That's a valid concern. Didn't Larry stress agree between the witnesses and olive complexion?
 
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #601 on: December 18, 2014, 01:29:18 PM »
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Georger, you gotta man - up and smoke a real stogie.

Yes, the Latin needs a closer examination.  I wonder if Flo and Tina ever discussed it.

Has anyone remotely even mentioned Cooper could've simply just had a tan? Apart from Flo's "Latin" comment has there been any other suggestions, gestures, phrasing, that would agree to the Latin aspect?

Yep. I think Mr. Blevins himself has alluded to the fact that Mr. Christiansen was sporting his November tan when he did the job.

Ok, big question!

Moriarty, you have mentioned the suspect having a tan.  You have also mentioned Mitchell's comment about a toupee.  BOTH are Blevins Comments from DZ.  Then, Blevins posts on DZ that he likes the posts of that guy Morarty on this site.

Come clean....Do you know or are you Robert M. Blevins?
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #602 on: December 18, 2014, 01:47:05 PM »
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Georger, you gotta man - up and smoke a real stogie.

Yes, the Latin needs a closer examination.  I wonder if Flo and Tina ever discussed it.

Has anyone remotely even mentioned Cooper could've simply just had a tan? Apart from Flo's "Latin" comment has there been any other suggestions, gestures, phrasing, that would agree to the Latin aspect?

Yep. I think Mr. Blevins himself has alluded to the fact that Mr. Christiansen was sporting his November tan when he did the job.

Yes, of course. Except that a camel is not a rose!

Olive skin genetic and pale tanned Danish skin are NOT the same thing. Have you ever seen a tanned Greek, or Dane?  Quite obviously Mr. Blevins doesn't know the difference but he doesn't  mind throwing some mindless thing like this out there to see if it stick on somebody's wall!

Blevins will say anything to keep his game going -

Mr. Blevins is not a Dermatologist!  ;)
 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #603 on: December 19, 2014, 12:11:09 AM »
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Georger, you gotta man - up and smoke a real stogie.

Yes, the Latin needs a closer examination.  I wonder if Flo and Tina ever discussed it.

Has anyone remotely even mentioned Cooper could've simply just had a tan? Apart from Flo's "Latin" comment has there been any other suggestions, gestures, phrasing, that would agree to the Latin aspect?

Yep. I think Mr. Blevins himself has alluded to the fact that Mr. Christiansen was sporting his November tan when he did the job.

Ok, big question!

Moriarty, you have mentioned the suspect having a tan.  You have also mentioned Mitchell's comment about a toupee.  BOTH are Blevins Comments from DZ.  Then, Blevins posts on DZ that he likes the posts of that guy Morarty on this site.

Come clean....Do you know or are you Robert M. Blevins?

Haha, this will help you. Who the fuck is Robert M. Blevins?
Listen, I'm reviewing the facts of the case. I haven't and refuse to read any books on Cooper. People write books for money and for fame and if they say they're not, they immediately can't be trusted because they're dishonest. I have no interest in books even for reference unless they state their source to every fact they make and it better not be based upon the author's opinion. So some doofus says they're DB Cooper, so what? Anybody can, watch this ... I am DB Cooper. For $400 and four months I can train a parrot to say that but guess what, Polly ain't a skyjacker.

At no time, not once, would I say Dan Cooper had a toupee. Mitchell stated that Cooper's appearance was odd for an executive. He couldn't put his thumb on it but there was something collectively off. If Cooper had a toupee Mitchell would've seen it like a glaring  eyesore.

I do however use people here as the resource they are. I admit, I use them to filter out the shit, or to direct me to what I'm looking for, and from what I've seen here, there are a few very informed people with specialized skills, who's posts I respect.  I can tell you honestly as I amass data for myself that I haven't nor would I use DZ for at the simplest fact that it's to big, too vague, too many complete jackass opinions and an excessive amount of knee jerk reactions.

Anyone who posts their "theory" and I have a few too, before they can back it up gets instantly struck off my list as credible.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #604 on: December 19, 2014, 01:00:00 AM »
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Georger, you gotta man - up and smoke a real stogie.

Yes, the Latin needs a closer examination.  I wonder if Flo and Tina ever discussed it.

Has anyone remotely even mentioned Cooper could've simply just had a tan? Apart from Flo's "Latin" comment has there been any other suggestions, gestures, phrasing, that would agree to the Latin aspect?

Yep. I think Mr. Blevins himself has alluded to the fact that Mr. Christiansen was sporting his November tan when he did the job.

Ok, big question!

Moriarty, you have mentioned the suspect having a tan.  You have also mentioned Mitchell's comment about a toupee.  BOTH are Blevins Comments from DZ.  Then, Blevins posts on DZ that he likes the posts of that guy Morarty on this site.

Come clean....Do you know or are you Robert M. Blevins?

Haha, this will help you. Who the fuck is Robert M. Blevins?
Listen, I'm reviewing the facts of the case. I haven't and refuse to read any books on Cooper. People write books for money and for fame and if they say they're not, they immediately can't be trusted because they're dishonest. I have no interest in books even for reference unless they state their source to every fact they make and it better not be based upon the author's opinion. So some doofus says they're DB Cooper, so what? Anybody can, watch this ... I am DB Cooper. For $400 and four months I can train a parrot to say that but guess what, Polly ain't a skyjacker.

At no time, not once, would I say Dan Cooper had a toupee. Mitchell stated that Cooper's appearance was odd for an executive. He couldn't put his thumb on it but there was something collectively off. If Cooper had a toupee Mitchell would've seen it like a glaring  eyesore.

I do however use people here as the resource they are. I admit, I use them to filter out the shit, or to direct me to what I'm looking for, and from what I've seen here, there are a few very informed people with specialized skills, who's posts I respect.  I can tell you honestly as I amass data for myself that I haven't nor would I use DZ for at the simplest fact that it's to big, too vague, too many complete jackass opinions and an excessive amount of knee jerk reactions.

Anyone who posts their "theory" and I have a few too, before they can back it up gets instantly struck off my list as credible.

You sound like a man with an area of interest ... or set of very basic questions you think are key?
Can you enlighten us?

Are you Marla ?   :) :) :) :) :) :)
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #605 on: December 19, 2014, 01:18:02 AM »
Morey, I see that you refuse to read books on Coopers.

Can you tell us why you feel you have a diminished capacity for discernment?  What happens when you read a book that is inaccurate or untruthful and then realize it?  Most of us just close the cover, reach for the tequila and drink away.

And eventually reach for the next book.

My book on Cooper, currently in a major edit and re-write, and due out after the first of the year, is titled: DB Cooper and the FBI - A Case Study on the Investigation into America's only Unsolved Skyjacking.

Does that interest you?

In terms of Cooper, I empathize with your frustrations - the literature is pretty skimpy, and one has to look carefully for the gemstones hidden in poor writing, weak composition, or a lack of substantive facts.

Calame and Rhodes book on the McCoy-Cooper connection is stellar, but rough around the edges. But it has information in there- giving us a view into the workings of the FBI and the evidence retrieval at Reno that is exceptional.

Geoffrey's Skyjack- The Hunt for DB Cooper has fascinating detail on the early stages of the hijacking - how Tina and Flo responded, what they said, what Cooper did. He is the only one I know to get a comprehensive view of the feds' files, and it seems he stole a good bit of it, which is great because I've been able to steal a bit from him. So, I'm happy and grateful.

Wouldn't you want to see actual documents from the FBI files?  See how fucked up they are? If not, what would you like to see?

Please tell.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #606 on: December 19, 2014, 05:07:30 PM »
Not that anyone asked me, but you have to read the books by Tosaw (last time Tina opened up to a writer), Himmelsbach (though he didn't like what the ghost writer did in parts of it) and Gray (FBI access). None of these sources is perfect, but each gives a unique perspective to the case. Gray's book is footnoted, FYI.

I look forward to reading Smith's book, when it becomes available.
 

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« Reply #607 on: December 19, 2014, 05:43:22 PM »
Stayed tuned, amigo.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #608 on: December 19, 2014, 11:10:09 PM »
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Not that anyone asked me, but you have to read the books by Tosaw (last time Tina opened up to a writer), Himmelsbach (though he didn't like what the ghost writer did in parts of it) and Gray (FBI access). None of these sources is perfect, but each gives a unique perspective to the case. Gray's book is footnoted, FYI.

I look forward to reading Smith's book, when it becomes available.

What is your opinion of Cooper, do you think he survived the jump and lived, or do you believe he is still out there waiting to be found if he didn't go into the water.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #609 on: December 20, 2014, 01:18:54 AM »
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Georger, you gotta man - up and smoke a real stogie.

Yes, the Latin needs a closer examination.  I wonder if Flo and Tina ever discussed it.




Has anyone remotely even mentioned Cooper could've simply just had a tan? Apart from Flo's "Latin" comment has there been any other suggestions, gestures, phrasing, that would agree to the Latin aspect?

Yep. I think Mr. Blevins himself has alluded to the fact that Mr. Christiansen was sporting his November tan when he did the job.

Ok, big question!

Moriarty, you have mentioned the suspect having a tan.  You have also mentioned Mitchell's comment about a toupee.  BOTH are Blevins Comments from DZ.  Then, Blevins posts on DZ that he likes the posts of that guy Morarty on this site.

Come clean....Do you know or are you Robert M. Blevins?

Haha, this will help you. Who the fuck is Robert M. Blevins?
Listen, I'm reviewing the facts of the case. I haven't and refuse to read any books on Cooper. People write books for money and for fame and if they say they're not, they immediately can't be trusted because they're dishonest. I have no interest in books even for reference unless they state their source to every fact they make and it better not be based upon the author's opinion. So some doofus says they're DB Cooper, so what? Anybody can, watch this ... I am DB Cooper. For $400 and four months I can train a parrot to say that but guess what, Polly ain't a skyjacker.

At no time, not once, would I say Dan Cooper had a toupee. Mitchell stated that Cooper's appearance was odd for an executive. He couldn't put his thumb on it but there was something collectively off. If Cooper had a toupee Mitchell would've seen it like a glaring  eyesore.

I do however use people here as the resource they are. I admit, I use them to filter out the shit, or to direct me to what I'm looking for, and from what I've seen here, there are a few very informed people with specialized skills, who's posts I respect.  I can tell you honestly as I amass data for myself that I haven't nor would I use DZ for at the simplest fact that it's to big, too vague, too many complete jackass opinions and an excessive amount of knee jerk reactions.

Anyone who posts their "theory" and I have a few too, before they can back it up gets instantly struck off my list as credible.

You sound like a man with an area of interest ... or set of very basic questions you think are key?
Can you enlighten us?

Are you Marla ?   :) :) :) :) :) :)

The number one question in this case is:
Why has no one identified Cooper? I believe I know the answer to that question.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #610 on: December 20, 2014, 01:22:33 AM »
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Not that anyone asked me, but you have to read the books by Tosaw (last time Tina opened up to a writer), Himmelsbach (though he didn't like what the ghost writer did in parts of it) and Gray (FBI access). None of these sources is perfect, but each gives a unique perspective to the case. Gray's book is footnoted, FYI.

I look forward to reading Smith's book, when it becomes available.

What is your opinion of Cooper, do you think he survived the jump and lived, or do you believe he is still out there waiting to be found if he didn't go into the water.

I believe Cooper pulled. I believed Cooper lived. I plan on finding what I believe.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #611 on: December 20, 2014, 01:38:58 AM »
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Not that anyone asked me, but you have to read the books by Tosaw (last time Tina opened up to a writer), Himmelsbach (though he didn't like what the ghost writer did in parts of it) and Gray (FBI access). None of these sources is perfect, but each gives a unique perspective to the case. Gray's book is footnoted, FYI.

I look forward to reading Smith's book, when it becomes available.


What is your opinion of Cooper, do you think he survived the jump and lived, or do you believe he is still out there waiting to be found if he didn't go into the water.

I believe Cooper pulled. I believed Cooper lived. I plan on finding what I believe.

I am sure you believe what you believe, on any given day. Cooperland is full of believers. There are so few places left to go to hide.   :-*

 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #612 on: December 20, 2014, 09:11:57 PM »
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Not that anyone asked me, but you have to read the books by Tosaw (last time Tina opened up to a writer), Himmelsbach (though he didn't like what the ghost writer did in parts of it) and Gray (FBI access). None of these sources is perfect, but each gives a unique perspective to the case. Gray's book is footnoted, FYI.

I look forward to reading Smith's book, when it becomes available.

What is your opinion of Cooper, do you think he survived the jump and lived, or do you believe he is still out there waiting to be found if he didn't go into the water.

I loathe having to make a stand one way or the other, but I believe he probably pulled. I do not think he was able to keep the money, in my opinion the rope snapped when his canopy deployed and the money went sailing away. Cooper probably returned to his life, lived a few more years and died sometime in the early 80's, before the national broadcasts of the updated Cooper sketch by Unsolved Mysteries. The big reason I believe this is the evidence on the tie, if Cooper was an engineer or manager working in a machine shop (or where ever he picked up the titanium particles) then, even if he had been recently laid off, he would have been missed by somebody. There are other reasons I believe Cooper lived, the lack of what I would consider a "95% probability" candidate among our missing persons suspects is among the strongest arguments in favor of Cooper surviving.

 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #613 on: December 20, 2014, 09:20:15 PM »
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Not that anyone asked me, but you have to read the books by Tosaw (last time Tina opened up to a writer), Himmelsbach (though he didn't like what the ghost writer did in parts of it) and Gray (FBI access). None of these sources is perfect, but each gives a unique perspective to the case. Gray's book is footnoted, FYI.

I look forward to reading Smith's book, when it becomes available.

What is your opinion of Cooper, do you think he survived the jump and lived, or do you believe he is still out there waiting to be found if he didn't go into the water.

I loathe having to make a stand one way or the other, but I believe he probably pulled. I do not think he was able to keep the money, in my opinion the rope snapped when his canopy deployed and the money went sailing away. Cooper probably returned to his life, lived a few more years and died sometime in the early 80's, before the national broadcasts of the updated Cooper sketch by Unsolved Mysteries. The big reason I believe this is the evidence on the tie, if Cooper was an engineer or manager working in a machine shop (or where ever he picked up the titanium particles) then, even if he had been recently laid off, he would have been missed by somebody. There are other reasons I believe Cooper lived, the lack of what I would consider a "95% probability" candidate among our missing persons suspects is among the strongest arguments in favor of Cooper surviving.

Well, it kinda still leaves the door open to many options. I think all of us have went back & forth about Cooper's fate. nobody can say for sure he was from the USA. he might not of had any family for unknown reasons. we can only speculate. If he did survive and lost the money. all of these known suspects can't be Cooper since they surround expenses with being Cooper. you would think he would of told his story to someone by now. most criminals have that problem.

Bruce, what caused Rob to do his hijacking, I don't remember at the moment?
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #614 on: December 20, 2014, 09:23:20 PM »
If not mistaken, I think the rope is the strongest points to the chute. I'm not so sure it would of snapped vs coming undone....