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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #555 on: November 01, 2014, 04:34:05 PM »
I seriously doubt he has anything new. Kenny has had enough exposure to of brought something forward, as Georger says, squat happened. except for the hundreds of emails he gets from "the public". his plan is a good one by acting out the "trust" issue, and only allowing the media, or LE to "examine" the new found evidence. that gives him time to spare since he has nothing new. what happened with the DNA? things were rolling right along faster than anyone dealing with the FBI? one email to them, and show was on the road. if it happened that quick, shouldn't the findings follow the same speed? where are the updates, and emails back and forth with all involved? this was moving at a rapid pace.

Marla again. what would Robert have done if Marla claimed she didn't trust him and refused to answer any questions? he would still be going on about it to this day! he believes dropzone is the only place to go when it comes to DB Cooper.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #556 on: November 02, 2014, 02:09:15 AM »
Blevins' big mouth has done him in again. His post below at Dropzone is a (proud) admission on his part, of having violated the standard protocols concerning the chain of evidence. As an "interested third party", Blevins is "not" allowed to have any role, receive, touch, or be in the chain of acquiring or receiving evidence, between the primary subject and the testing service provider. As an "interested third party" Blevins is not allowed to be in the chain of physical evidence - period!

The Sheriff in Minnesota should have sent any samples collected by his Department from Lyle, directly to the testing provider, along with signed affidavit(s).

The fact that Blevins was allowed to be in the chain of evidence nullifies everything. The FBI can and may refuse any test results from Arc Point just on principle alone. Blevins, Lyle, and Arc Point must now start all over again and follow the rules of the road this time.

The Sheriff at Minnesota and Arc Point are supposed to be professionals and know the protocols of how to collect and transfer bio-evidence. Blevins should not have been allowed to be in the chain because he is very clearly an "interested third party".

There are standard recognised protocols which govern the whole issue of collecting and transferring evidence.

Blevins' post which revealed his omission is this:
 
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2012: I contact the FBI again and ask them if the DNA samples taken from Lyle Christiansen by two Minneapolis FBI agents have ever been profiled and compared to the tie sample profile. Two days later I get a response. No, and no one knows where the samples are now. (Lyle was visited by the Minneapolis FBI after he went public. They took DNA swabs from him at that time.)

October 2014: DNA samples arrive at our office, taken by the sheriff in Morris, MN from Lyle Christiansen. These samples, which remain sealed in our offices, will be submitted to Artc Point and a profile done. The results of this profile will be submitted along with the new report on Christiansen, which now runs more than sixty pages. Three people outside our offices are now in possession of this report, minus the profile results. The completed report will be submitted to the Seattle FBI in January 2015, after we finish a couple of more interviews and wait for the results of the DNA profile.

 

 



       
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #557 on: November 02, 2014, 03:52:23 AM »
Identification of the tested parties at collection, which includes verifying IDs and taking pictures of tested parties;
Obtaining consent from adult tested parties and legal guardians for minor tested parties;
Collection of specimens from the tested parties performed by a trained third-party professional who will document his involvement truthfully;
Proper labeling and packaging of the specimens by the collector;
Shipping specimens by courier services directly to the laboratory;
Receipt of specimens by the DNA laboratory;
Transfer and testing of specimens within the DNA laboratory;
Storage of specimens;
Reporting of results with case specific chain-of-custody documents.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #558 on: November 02, 2014, 10:11:23 AM »
I'm a little confused here. why would Lyle contact the Sheriff to have the DNA test done when Arc Point has a lab close by? the proper protocol would be to go to them, or they will come to you and do the testing. would the County Sheriff agree to do a test like this? who is paying the County for there services. the crime occurred outside of Minnesota.

"Our mobile resources allow us to be trustworthy for law enforcement agencies, lawyers, private investigators and others in the judicial system."

How is it that the FBI is discussing an open case with anyone? how are they answering Roberts constant questions to them. the usual response is "we can not discuss the details of an open case" the only person they should respond to would be Lyle. he had the testing done. (no proof of this)

They wouldn't even talk to Decoded, and yet Robert get answers?
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #559 on: November 02, 2014, 10:46:34 AM »
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I'm a little confused here. why would Lyle contact the Sheriff to have the DNA test done when Arc Point has a lab close by? the proper protocol would be to go to them, or they will come to you and do the testing. would the County Sheriff agree to do a test like this? who is paying the County for there services. the crime occurred outside of Minnesota.

"Our mobile resources allow us to be trustworthy for law enforcement agencies, lawyers, private investigators and others in the judicial system."

How is it that the FBI is discussing an open case with anyone? how are they answering Roberts constant questions to them. the usual response is "we can not discuss the details of an open case" the only person they should respond to would be Lyle. he had the testing done. (no proof of this)

They wouldn't even talk to Decoded, and yet Robert get answers?

First of all. Is he getting answers? 

When my DNA was taken, it was taken from a deputy at Ramsey County. I set it up with my friend who works at the department. With a few phone calls with NamUs they sent a DNA packet to the County. When the Sheriff's Department received the testing kit from the University of North Texas (UNT is the testing lab for NamUs), I had to go to the Sheriff's Dept. and a licensed deputy swabbed my cheeks. He sealed the swab into the plastic vial and again sealed it into an envelope. On that envelope was the "chain of custody".  The envelope was put into another envelope and mailed to the University of north Texas for the testing. In the case of my brother, his DNA test was done by the military police at Fort Bragg. They used the packet sent by the University of North Texas.

Once UNT completed the  DNA profiles they were put into the missing persons CODIS database. Janet Franson, my liaison at NamUs sent a few emails to SA Curtis Eng asking the FBI lab to compare the samples to the Cooper DNA. She did not get a response. She sent a third email and received a message from the PIO Ayn Deitrich giving her the brush off. So...if an agent from another Department of Justice program gets the brush off why would anybody else get an answer from the FBI.

Here is the email sent to Curtis Eng at the Seattle FBI by Janet Franson at NamUs:

"Agent Eng,
Please accept this as my formal request to request the FBI lab to compare the DNA samples you have of D.B. Cooper, with the samples that the University of N. Texas has with one Melvin Wilson, UNT missing person MP# 15178.
This potential match has been requested before, but was not responded to.
Your assistance with this comparison would be greatly appreciated.
"

and the email Janet received by Ayn Dietrich:

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Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 5:32 PM
To: Franson, Janet
Cc: Eng, Curtis J.
Subject: RE: Request DNA comparison ref D.B. Cooper

"Hello, Ms. Fransonβ€”
 
I work with Special Agent Eng in the FBI Seattle field office and I handle inquiries from the media and public.  SA Eng forwarded me your email so I could explain to you the limitations we face in responding to your inquiry.
 
During any given investigation, the FBI receives many tips, follows many leads, and talks to many people.  In accordance with DOJ policy, we cannot discuss details of ongoing investigations. This includes not disclosing subjects considered and/or excluded, and investigative techniques that may be used.  I understand the public and valued partners to the FBI are curious about the FBI's investigative process, and they may rest assured that the FBI pursues all leads that we believe will provide us with information of investigative value. 

SA Eng has received your messages and handled them appropriately.  I apologize that we are unable to disclose the nature and extent of our investigative response.
 
Regards,
Ayn"
 
 
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Ayn Sandalo Dietrich
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So. It is difficult to believe that ArcPoint would get anything more than a brush off.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #560 on: November 02, 2014, 10:59:14 AM »
Basically you couldn't gain custody of the sample to say, send it to me. Is that correct?
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #561 on: November 02, 2014, 11:15:29 AM »
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Basically you couldn't gain custody of the sample to say, send it to me. Is that correct?

Nope...but if you want I will swab my cheek with a Q-Tip, place it in a ziploc and send it to you in a number 9 envelope.   ;) :D
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« Reply #562 on: November 02, 2014, 11:28:55 AM »
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Basically you couldn't gain custody of the sample to say, send it to me. Is that correct?

Nope...but if you want I will swab my cheek with a Q-Tip, place it in a ziploc and send it to you in a number 9 envelope.   ;) :D

That would be fine. please seal the ziploc with a 'chewed' piece of gum in case the swab is compromised  ;D ;D :D ;)
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« Reply #563 on: November 02, 2014, 02:14:57 PM »
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I'm a little confused here. why would Lyle contact the Sheriff to have the DNA test done when Arc Point has a lab close by? the proper protocol would be to go to them, or they will come to you and do the testing. would the County Sheriff agree to do a test like this? who is paying the County for there services. the crime occurred outside of Minnesota.

"Our mobile resources allow us to be trustworthy for law enforcement agencies, lawyers, private investigators and others in the judicial system."

How is it that the FBI is discussing an open case with anyone? how are they answering Roberts constant questions to them. the usual response is "we can not discuss the details of an open case" the only person they should respond to would be Lyle. he had the testing done. (no proof of this)

They wouldn't even talk to Decoded, and yet Robert get answers?

This isnt worth my time@!

Go with Vicki's account. That is SOP in these situations.

This is cheap theatre and totally boring. Blevins is just a buffoon going in circles taking others with him. The procedures for handling evidence were established decades ago! If Blevins etal chose to violate those standards that is his business - it's no surprise given his record.

There are numerous manuals-directives on this from a host of sources, from the CDC, NIH, FBI, etc... examples:
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Case closed.

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« Reply #564 on: November 03, 2014, 12:20:44 AM »
Does Blevins ever get anything straight? Now he says the FBI did not get Lyles dna as Blevins previously reported. officially.

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Not spoofed...just mistaken. Upon checking with Lyle tonight via email, he told me that he's also heard that story about the FBI paying him a visit and taking his DNA. They have NOT done this. It was just another dead end, rumor, whatever.

This matters little, except I probably should have checked with Lyle first before posting about that. We DO have Lyle's DNA samples now...and they will be run by ArcPoint to obtain his profile for comparison to the tie sample profile.

Well, at least now I know why Agent Fred Gutt didn't seem to know anything about it, or whether any sample from Lyle had been run. (Or where they were if they existed) Crazy

Yes. Even I make mistakes. I don't mind owning up when I do.

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So where did Blevins get the story that the FBI had already collected dna from Lyle, if not from Lyle? Did Blevins just make it up? Here's his previous post on the matter:

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Oct 30, 2014, 9:21 PM
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2012: I contact the FBI again and ask them if the DNA samples taken from Lyle Christiansen by two Minneapolis FBI agents have ever been profiled and compared to the tie sample profile. Two days later I get a response. No, and no one knows where the samples are now. (Lyle was visited by the Minneapolis FBI after he went public. They took DNA swabs from him at that time.)


[edit] It must be totally obvious that Mr. Blevins doesn't obey any rules, and he doesn't have to! He's going ahead just as he has for the last 4 years whether anyone likes it or not. Blevins is a law unto himself. The results are probably going to be an endless succession of empty claims and announced revisions and more and more claims with no significant change in an ever-expanding chaos which nobody could have predicted was possible - until Blevins himself pulls the cork, which could be never! It's the same scenario with Jo Weber.

There never is much consolation when dealing with some personality disorders. Best to just stay out of their way and let authorities deal with them as needed.
 
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« Reply #565 on: November 03, 2014, 07:16:34 AM »
To date it appears the story came directly from Skipps website. he claims they have Lyle's DNA. the rest appears to be enlarged by Mr. Honest. I'll check more once I return back from work...
 

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« Reply #566 on: November 04, 2014, 02:13:43 AM »
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To date it appears the story came directly from Skipps website. he claims they have Lyle's DNA. the rest appears to be enlarged by Mr. Honest. I'll check more once I return back from work...

If its even possible to recall these things,  :) :) :) :) :) ... that sounds about right! I love it. It's crazier than a trillion bed bugs in a camel hair rug!

By the way just for the record, I cant recall I ever never-ever asked DZ to be taken down. I complained a bunch but I always felt there were human beings who had to have a home whether I was there and happy or not so...... to each his own. And that will be my final, final-final, newly revised final final,  final, final-final, newly revised final final,  final, final-final, newly revised final final,  final, final-final, newly revised final final,  word on the subject, finally.  :) :)
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« Reply #567 on: November 07, 2014, 11:01:04 AM »
Hi to all the sleuths:

Something that has to be brought to the attention of the FBI is that their finding that DB died in the jump is really a dumb conclusion. Especially if that is the reason they (FBI) are no longer working on the case. All other jet jumpers survived the jump and I am sure that Sheridan Peterson had many skills in skydiving that made it possible for him to survive the jump. Earl Cossey helped the FBI determine that DB died in the jump and Cossey might have been part of the ground DB Cooper support guys. Cossey could have helped the FBI come to the conclusion to help cover-up what really happened. The strange answers from Cossey before he died, leads me to conclude he was involved in the caper. He knew Sharidon from the early days of Sheridon bringing the Boeing Skydiving Club (which he started) to Issaquah. Cossey could have been one of the ground guys and the launder of the loot in the many Casino's he visited on a regular basis. He could have been the investor of the loot for Sheridan which worked for 40 years.

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« Reply #568 on: November 07, 2014, 01:09:48 PM »
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Hi to all the sleuths:

Something that has to be brought to the attention of the FBI is that their finding that DB died in the jump is really a dumb conclusion. Especially if that is the reason they (FBI) are no longer working on the case. All other jet jumpers survived the jump and I am sure that Sheridan Peterson had many skills in skydiving that made it possible for him to survive the jump. Earl Cossey helped the FBI determine that DB died in the jump and Cossey might have been part of the ground DB Cooper support guys. Cossey could have helped the FBI come to the conclusion to help cover-up what really happened. The strange answers from Cossey before he died, leads me to conclude he was involved in the caper. He knew Sharidon from the early days of Sheridon bringing the Boeing Skydiving Club (which he started) to Issaquah. Cossey could have been one of the ground guys and the launder of the loot in the many Casino's he visited on a regular basis. He could have been the investor of the loot for Sheridan which worked for 40 years.

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Cossey has turned out to be a less-than-perfect 'story teller'. He seems to have enjoyed the role of posturing: being thrust into a central position on the one hand and playing that card, then claimed he was sick of all the attention on the other refusing to talk to people. What hard answers he had got all scrambled due in part to his own selective withholding and playing with key facts. Cossey-the-gambler playing with DBC tender, as if it was his own. Who and what is left to believe? In the end Cossey is just one witness.

Something tells me the FBI looked into a possible Cossey-Peterson connection, but I can't prove that.

What interests me more, is where are the key files and evidence not found at Seattle when so-called researchers were allowed to poke around there?  The veracity and full role of Cossey seems to be missing, like key files. Or, we have all that was ever there in the first place?



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« Reply #569 on: November 07, 2014, 11:48:09 PM »
More Self Serving Double Talk and Made Up Stuff from Blevins -

quothe: Hate to burst your bubble...

But your information is YEARS old. Don't you think I know that the original book has errors? Of course I do. This is why when people send me messages about it, I warn them that it does have errors, and that it should only be used as a general guide on Christiansen.

If the book were THE reference on Christiansen and the people who knew him, and had all the correct answers on his story, I could just send the Seattle FBI a copy of the book. This is why it was necessary to create a fully updated report on him, and correct any and all errors on the evidence and make sure the testimony of witnesses is solid. You quote stuff from 2010 or whatever. And then there is the reality of what we discovered since then.
However, I think some of you are worried we might be right, or even that the Seattle FBI might take this report more seriously with the additional testimony from Geestman's own family.

And in my humble opinion, I wonder if some of you are being just a little bit phony. I will do you the courtesy of telling you why. It's because if you were REALLY looking for the truth on Christiansen you would support the idea of submitting this report ASAP to the Seattle FBI. You would WANT to see this done because you would want to know the truth about him. Instead, many of you seem afraid of the possibility that the Seattle FBI might actually investigate Kenny and Friends this time. I can even guess at your motivations.
Some of you have invested so much time, effort, and postings into saying I 'fabricated' the evidence on Kenny, or made things up, or went negative to the point of being banned (Meyer Louie and Georger, for example) that you would choke yourselves to death if Kenny turned out to be Cooper. This idea is absolutely anathema to you. It would be like having to swallow a golf ball. I can understand this as well.

I wouldn't worry too much. Chances are that Kenny will turn out to be like all the other suspects who have been forwarded as Cooper...a dead end. The only thing we're really trying to accomplish here is to get the FBI to do something they have never done before - just take a good, hard look at Kenny Christiansen and the people still alive who knew him. No matter what you may have heard elsewhere, they have never done that. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that concept, even if YOU do. 


Lessons Learnt:  (a) a book is not a reference. (b) a book is a guide. (c) a guide is not a reference, and a reference is not a guide! (d) you fear and worry according to Blevins. Don't worry. Don't fear. But you will fear and worry because Blevins says you are fearing and worrying! Fear and worry as essential components of the Blevins Pea Party Dialectic! (e) Georger was banned from Dropzone. A perma-perma bananaana.

Have you got that all straight? Call Blevins and B&G Houscleaning in Auburn Washing if you have any questions. 

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