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« Reply #540 on: October 18, 2014, 01:53:28 PM »
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World Famous Cooper expert pronounces plain black Cooper tie and banded Lepsy tie as 'not a bad match', per photo with his notes below, he says. Yepper!  :'(
     

Lepsy would have been 35 years old in 71. the guy is trying to match a photo of Lepsy beside the Cooper sketch. he was 26 in that comparison. since they change the descriptions of Cooper over there. I guess he would be considered a serious suspect....perhaps
it's a good way to try and get attention to the public about his disappearance?

Lepsy's photo is clearly a blue and blue gray stripped tie - has no relevance whatever to the Cooper tie. Pack of cigarettes in Lepsy's pocket? So what!. Undoubtedly those cigarettes are Raleigh. Stranger things have not happened, so he must be Cooper, CASE SOLVED!  ;) EDIT: He has a wife so he must have a co-conspirator too! The case for Lepsy is getting stronger by the moment.  :) :) :)
   
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #541 on: October 18, 2014, 04:37:57 PM »
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World Famous Cooper expert pronounces plain black Cooper tie and banded Lepsy tie as 'not a bad match', per photo with his notes below, he says. Yepper!  :'(
     

Lepsy would have been 35 years old in 71. the guy is trying to match a photo of Lepsy beside the Cooper sketch. he was 26 in that comparison. since they change the descriptions of Cooper over there. I guess he would be considered a serious suspect....perhaps
it's a good way to try and get attention to the public about his disappearance?

The World Famous Cooper expert apparently didn't notice that the tie clip, in the Lepsy picture with his wife, is not a match for the Cooper tie clip.  The tie shown in the Lepsy picture appears to be a normal knotted tie and not a clip-on.  Actually, I think the clip-on tie knot would be wider and "looser" than for a knotted tie. 

And where did Lepsy get all his information on the 727 aft stairs?

I feel sorry the guy is missing, but he shouldn't be considered a suspect in the Cooper case. he was just to young to pass off as mid 40's. one thing I don't understand is in his description they give his height as 5'10" to 6'2"? his wife, or drivers license doesn't show his actual height, doctors etc.

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« Reply #542 on: October 18, 2014, 11:58:28 PM »
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World Famous Cooper expert pronounces plain black Cooper tie and banded Lepsy tie as 'not a bad match', per photo with his notes below, he says. Yepper!  :'(
     

Lepsy would have been 35 years old in 71. the guy is trying to match a photo of Lepsy beside the Cooper sketch. he was 26 in that comparison. since they change the descriptions of Cooper over there. I guess he would be considered a serious suspect....perhaps
it's a good way to try and get attention to the public about his disappearance?

The World Famous Cooper expert apparently didn't notice that the tie clip, in the Lepsy picture with his wife, is not a match for the Cooper tie clip.  The tie shown in the Lepsy picture appears to be a normal knotted tie and not a clip-on.  Actually, I think the clip-on tie knot would be wider and "looser" than for a knotted tie. 

And where did Lepsy get all his information on the 727 aft stairs?

I feel sorry the guy is missing, but he shouldn't be considered a suspect in the Cooper case. he was just to young to pass off as mid 40's. one thing I don't understand is in his description. they give his height as 5'10" to 6'2"? his wife, or drivers license doesn't show his actual height, doctors etc.

Lepsy was not DB Cooper.  :-\  On to the next piece of manufactured housing, whose height is 4'2" - 7'9" !  :D Maybe the next guy will have one leg, and no hair 'ogkul snakke norske', by golly?
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #543 on: October 31, 2014, 03:59:43 PM »
Hi guys,
I came across the above comments which were made when I was banned from the site and would like to address them.  First is the description of Cooper's age.  Remember, the main source of the estimation of Coopers age is the opinions of a 22 year old woman and a 23 year old woman.  A middle aged man described the Cooper suspect as in his thirties. 

The estimation of someones age is a subjective thing, at best.  One example that comes to mind for me is many people mistake my older brother as my younger brother.  He weighs about a hundred pounds less than me, is very fit, and has a whole head of thick hair (unlike me, who got genetically screwed  :-[).  My brother is seven years older than I am.  People age differently.  Most people's age can be reasonably estimated, but there are a few outliers out there who appear older, or younger, than they really are.

Another example that pops in my head concerns a conversation I had last year with my then 23 year old daughter.  She was telling me and my wife about a "creepy old guy" at the bar that was hitting on her and trying to buy her a drink.
 "How old was this creepy old guy?" I asked. 
"29" she responded.
Women in their early twenties aren't always the best people to ask to estimate age, but they're pretty good at details like hair, teeth, eye color, etc.

When I look at the last known photo of Dick Lepsy (below), I don't see your typical 33 year old.  He looks more like he's 43 to me.  Years of smoking, stress, sun exposure and drinking are also factors which could prematurely age someone.  And then there's mannerisms.  Dick Lepsy managed a large grocery store at age 30.  That's quite an accomplishment.  He would have had to carry himself with confidence and an air of authority to gain respect from his employees, many who were older than him.  To those who knew him, he probably did seem much older than he was.


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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #544 on: October 31, 2014, 04:43:23 PM »
I have to disagree on some accounts. I don't see a man any older than his description, or age shown. that's only my opinion. the typical age range for Cooper is mid 40's. the crew notes state in his 50's. this is extremely hard to try and match with someone in there early 30's. regardless of life style.

I'm currently being accused of a hit and run dating back to last year. I'm in my early fifties, and the driver claims the guy was in his 30's to 40's. every person I've spoken with has agreed that I couldn't pass for 30 years old, or early 40's. my truck doesn't even line up with the accident, and yet the State won't budge. I have a lot of other evidence I will not take space up with explaining but it appears to be a case of misidentification to the extreme.

As Farflung pointed out on dropzone, thousands of people go missing each year. this is hardly proof of deciding to hijack a plane. I respect your thoughts about him possibly being Cooper, but I don't think the FBI will have the same opinion as you do. I think his age will quickly give them the evidence needed not investigate him. they did the same with Christiansen. he doesn't fit the profile, or description. Vicki's dad has similar features, and disappeared very close to the crime. The FBI disagree's with him being a suspect. personally I think Mel should be investigated more than a lot of other suspects, but it's not up to me. Mel also has a history of disappearing.

what basic background does Lepsy have, or what would turn a seemingly family member to commit a Federal offense? I'm not trying to shoot you down, but I fail to see logic. we don't know if foul play was involved with him or not. Mel has a history of being in trouble. you would think that would open the FBI up a little, but it appears it hasn't so far.

Tina was in her early 20's if not mistaken. I think she would have said something like "he wasn't much older than I am" two stews gave descriptions close enough to put Cooper in the bracket of mid 40's. somewhere along the line the statement of in his 50's was down graded.

The sketch. how far does one go with the sketch of Cooper. it's not a photograph of him, so if the age is wrong, the sketch is just as far off that many try and put there suspect next too? Robert claims description many times are inaccurate, but has no problem putting Kenny right beside the Cooper sketch? inaccurate descriptions are usually from crimes lasting seconds where they didn't have a lot of time to get a good look. this can be found in the passengers trying to give a description of Cooper. they didn't have a reason to remember him.

I'm open to anything you want to add to this suspect. I have no problem discussing him.....
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #545 on: October 31, 2014, 05:01:51 PM »
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Hi guys,
I came across the above comments which were made when I was banned from the site and would like to address them.  First is the description of Cooper's age.  Remember, the main source of the estimation of Coopers age is the opinions of a 22 year old woman and a 23 year old woman.  A middle aged man described the Cooper suspect as in his thirties. 

The estimation of someones age is a subjective thing, at best.  One example that comes to mind for me is many people mistake my older brother as my younger brother.  He weighs about a hundred pounds less than me, is very fit, and has a whole head of thick hair (unlike me, who got genetically screwed  :-[).  My brother is seven years older than I am.  People age differently.  Most people's age can be reasonably estimated, but there are a few outliers out there who appear older, or younger, than they really are.

Another example that pops in my head concerns a conversation I had last year with my then 23 year old daughter.  She was telling me and my wife about a "creepy old guy" at the bar that was hitting on her and trying to buy her a drink.
 "How old was this creepy old guy?" I asked. 
"29" she responded.
Women in their early twenties aren't always the best people to ask to estimate age, but they're pretty good at details like hair, teeth, eye color, etc.

When I look at the last known photo of Dick Lepsy (below), I don't see your typical 33 year old.  He looks more like he's 43 to me.  Years of smoking, stress, sun exposure and drinking are also factors which could prematurely age someone.  And then there's mannerisms.  Dick Lepsy managed a large grocery store at age 30.  That's quite an accomplishment.  He would have had to carry himself with confidence and an air of authority to gain respect from his employees, many who were older than him.  To those who knew him, he probably did seem much older than he was.

I'd agree that perceptions of ages vary as we get older.  When I was in my twenties I could correctly identify someone as being in their twenties, thirties, forties or fifties.  However, I'd think the fifty something looked "old".  Now that I'm in my early 50s, I can still pick people out and put them in the right decade.  But, the big difference now is fifty-somethings don't look old to me anymore and twenty somethings look like kids.

One of the common things people with a favored suspect do is try to massage the description to fit their suspect.  And, I don't mean just you.  Others have changed eye color, height and skin color differences for their suspect to match.  I don't think that's necessary.  Bill Mitchell reported that he didn't think the drawing really matched the suspect.  I think of evidence as strands of  a rope -- the more you have, the stronger your case is.  A non-exact match with the drawing isn't a deal breaker if there is other evidence supporting your case.  The problem with Lepsy, as I see it, is other than being gone, I don't see what else there is supporting his case.  We don't know of any major criminal history (the theft of $2000 is a crime, but nothing on the scale of a hijacking/air piracy). We need more strands!  This is a discussion forum, so we look forward to hearing what else you might have found.
 

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« Reply #546 on: October 31, 2014, 05:29:48 PM »
Lets remember that Florence didn't spend as much time with Cooper as Tina did, but both came to the same conclusions about his appearance. they were in different states when the were questioned by the FBI. does this set anything in stone? certainly not, but
where does one draw the line while dealing with the best known description of Cooper.

Nobody answered this question I asked the other day. where is the description from Alice? why is she faded in the background?
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« Reply #547 on: October 31, 2014, 05:57:31 PM »
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Hi guys,
I came across the above comments which were made when I was banned from the site and would like to address them.  First is the description of Cooper's age.  Remember, the main source of the estimation of Coopers age is the opinions of a 22 year old woman and a 23 year old woman.  A middle aged man described the Cooper suspect as in his thirties. 

The estimation of someones age is a subjective thing, at best.  One example that comes to mind for me is many people mistake my older brother as my younger brother.  He weighs about a hundred pounds less than me, is very fit, and has a whole head of thick hair (unlike me, who got genetically screwed  :-[).  My brother is seven years older than I am.  People age differently.  Most people's age can be reasonably estimated, but there are a few outliers out there who appear older, or younger, than they really are.

Another example that pops in my head concerns a conversation I had last year with my then 23 year old daughter.  She was telling me and my wife about a "creepy old guy" at the bar that was hitting on her and trying to buy her a drink.
 "How old was this creepy old guy?" I asked. 
"29" she responded.
Women in their early twenties aren't always the best people to ask to estimate age, but they're pretty good at details like hair, teeth, eye color, etc.

When I look at the last known photo of Dick Lepsy (below), I don't see your typical 33 year old.  He looks more like he's 43 to me.  Years of smoking, stress, sun exposure and drinking are also factors which could prematurely age someone.  And then there's mannerisms.  Dick Lepsy managed a large grocery store at age 30.  That's quite an accomplishment.  He would have had to carry himself with confidence and an air of authority to gain respect from his employees, many who were older than him.  To those who knew him, he probably did seem much older than he was.

I'd agree that perceptions of ages vary as we get older.  When I was in my twenties I could correctly identify someone as being in their twenties, thirties, forties or fifties.  However, I'd think the fifty something looked "old".  Now that I'm in my early 50s, I can still pick people out and put them in the right decade.  But, the big difference now is fifty-somethings don't look old to me anymore and twenty somethings look like kids.

One of the common things people with a favored suspect do is try to massage the description to fit their suspect.  And, I don't mean just you.  Others have changed eye color, height and skin color differences for their suspect to match.  I don't think that's necessary.  Bill Mitchell reported that he didn't think the drawing really matched the suspect.  I think of evidence as strands of  a rope -- the more you have, the stronger your case is.  A non-exact match with the drawing isn't a deal breaker if there is other evidence supporting your case.  The problem with Lepsy, as I see it, is other than being gone, I don't see what else there is supporting his case.  We don't know of any major criminal history (the theft of $2000 is a crime, but nothing on the scale of a hijacking/air piracy). We need more strands!  This is a discussion forum, so we look forward to hearing what else you might have found.

"Massage" their suspect is the right word. Massage then turns to wholesale revision of reality with all sorts of claims that witnesses and the FBI got it wrong ... there's no end to it as we have seen. To cut through all of the kah kah Ckret finally said to Weber: "Put Duane on the plane and/or produce a Cooper twenty" ... Jo responded by saying Duane has had a Cooper twenty! There is no end to the length these fabricators will go. Blevins trick message has become: "I have no idea if Kenny was or was not, probably wasn't" while at the same arguing endlessly he was!
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« Reply #548 on: October 31, 2014, 06:02:29 PM »
The discussion is about Lepsy, not Weber. big difference here.
 

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« Reply #549 on: October 31, 2014, 09:35:05 PM »
In the photo below are the notes from the crew during the hijacking. I'm still having trouble with a 23 year old not being able to spot someone just 10 years older than herself and concluding his age at first to be in his 50's. In my opinion bringing Cooper's age down to 30 years old would unlock even more false suspects to surface. I believe a passenger put Cooper in that range, but the FBI is going by the people who had contact with him. the passengers didn't have a reason to remember him so different views come into play.

I'm interested in Lepsy's background to see if anything pops up for a possible link......

 

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« Reply #550 on: October 31, 2014, 11:40:24 PM »
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In the photo below are the notes from the crew during the hijacking. I'm still having trouble with a 23 year old not being able to spot someone just 10 years older than herself and concluding his age at first to be in his 50's. In my opinion bringing Cooper's age down to 30 years old would unlock even more false suspects to surface. I believe a passenger put Cooper in that range, but the FBI is going by the people who had contact with him. the passengers didn't have a reason to remember him so different views come into play.

I'm interested in Lepsy's background to see if anything pops up for a possible link......

Let's UP the anti! This post will get little coverage but here goes -

Crket said to all potential suspect venders: (1) place him on the airplane, (2) produce a Cooper twenty in the hands of the suspect, (c) provide something crucial, tangible, and provable that links the suspect to the DB Cooper case. Any actual Cooper suspect would pass this litmus test.

We could add finger prints and a matching partial dna profile to the list.   
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« Reply #551 on: November 01, 2014, 12:09:08 AM »
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In the photo below are the notes from the crew during the hijacking. I'm still having trouble with a 23 year old not being able to spot someone just 10 years older than herself and concluding his age at first to be in his 50's. In my opinion bringing Cooper's age down to 30 years old would unlock even more false suspects to surface. I believe a passenger put Cooper in that range, but the FBI is going by the people who had contact with him. the passengers didn't have a reason to remember him so different views come into play.

I'm interested in Lepsy's background to see if anything pops up for a possible link......

Let's UP the anti! This post will get little coverage but here goes -

Crket said to all potential suspect venders: (1) place him on the airplane, (2) produce a Cooper twenty in the hands of the suspect, (c) provide something crucial, tangible, and provable that links the suspect to the DB Cooper case. Any actual Cooper suspect would pass this litmus test.

We could add finger prints and a matching partial dna profile to the list.

Good point.  As far as I can tell, none of the suspects discussed can pass that test.  And nobody is even close.
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In the photo below are the notes from the crew during the hijacking. I'm still having trouble with a 23 year old not being able to spot someone just 10 years older than herself and concluding his age at first to be in his 50's. In my opinion bringing Cooper's age down to 30 years old would unlock even more false suspects to surface. I believe a passenger put Cooper in that range, but the FBI is going by the people who had contact with him. the passengers didn't have a reason to remember him so different views come into play.

I'm interested in Lepsy's background to see if anything pops up for a possible link......

Let's UP the anti! This post will get little coverage but here goes -

Crket said to all potential suspect venders: (1) place him on the airplane, (2) produce a Cooper twenty in the hands of the suspect, (c) provide something crucial, tangible, and provable that links the suspect to the DB Cooper case. Any actual Cooper suspect would pass this litmus test.

We could add finger prints and a matching partial dna profile to the list.

Good point.  As far as I can tell, none of the suspects discussed can pass that test.  And nobody is even close.

Here is a perfect example of massaging:

I took extensive notes during interviews, which were always done with the subject's permission. Some interviews were recorded either on a digital voice recorder or a vid camera. Also with the subject's permission. I also kept extensive notes. The only time anyone got angry with me was during my initial interview with Helen Jones. She told me I had a lot of nerve hinting that her good friend Kenny Christiansen could be a crook. She said she didn't want to talk to me, but offered to read from a bundle of notes I had and look at some pictures...all about Kenny and Geestman. She told me to leave them with her and to come back in a couple of hours.

When I returned she said: "Come on in, I will talk to you." Her daughter had shown up, as well. We did interviews over the next two days. She was very helpful.

By the end of the second day of interviews, she was not only fully cooperative, but told me this:

Quote:
"How could he (Kenny) have done such a thing?" Smile

I actually tried to give her an answer. I told her: "I think he just got tired of all the bullshit and all the strikes at Northwest, and that after all those years he was still only making five hundred a month."

Bernie Geestman is a liar many times over. And every one of those lies, both to me and to reps from History Channel, concerned distancing himself from any possible involvement in the hijacking, or with Kenny's financial dealings directly after the crime.


Nothing above addresses any point crucial to whether KC was Cooper or not. Worse still, it's not the interviewer's job to supply thoughts and ANSWERS to a witnesses! Blevins is supplying interpretation and thoughts to the witness's remark above! He never asks her what she means! Her remark may have meant the exact opposite of what Blevins is supplying she meant!

We know what Blevins thinks and says, all too well. We need to know what the witness meant, not what Blevins says she means! Bruce Kitt complained about the same thing: namely that Belvins had intentionally selected a few of his remarks and presented his remarks to mean something exactly the opposite to what Kitt actually thought and said to the producer and Meltzer! Kitt says he did not intend to say what Blevins is saying he said!

Blevins has a bad habit of putting words in people's mouths and offering his own explanations instead of having witnesses explain what they actually said and meant. Very often we never get to know what a witness even meant because Blevins has already cut the process short by supplying the interpretation he wants us to have instead of exploring with people what they are saying and meaning. The above is a perfect example of that. Quite frankly, I think witnesses are merely an inconvenient obstacle for Blevins because Blevins is always going to tell us what HE thinks people are said ... instead of allowing people to speak for themselves!

This is massaging in it's extreme form. It's the work of a fanatic vs. a researcher or a real journalist.     

Blevins must always reply because fanatics must always have the last word -   :)  They need to control the message!
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« Reply #553 on: November 01, 2014, 10:59:05 AM »
That's a good example, all of Robert's witnesses knew nothing that would tie Kenny to the hijacking until he put it in their heads.  Even after the facts, none of his witnesses would say they believed or had any information that would link him to the hijacking.  There is no there there.

 

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« Reply #554 on: November 01, 2014, 04:04:36 PM »
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That's a good example, all of Robert's witnesses knew nothing that would tie Kenny to the hijacking until he put it in their heads.  Even after the facts, none of his witnesses would say they believed or had any information that would link him to the hijacking.  There is no there there.

Blevins is like a good used car salesman, he says things like this:  No worries.Like I said, none of this means Kenny was Cooper. But whether you like it or not, or whether you FEAR this or not...we will find out the truth on him. And we are closer to that than you think. Wink

No worries?
Whether you like it or not?
Whether you FEAR this or not?
WINK!

Who is he speaking for? The Arc Angle Michael? His attempt to exploit or trigger people's emotions probably means he doesn't have squat for evidence. Does he invoke these metaphors when stopped by cops for speeding or running a red light? It's very funny. More to the point: who does he think he's kidding-impressing? The weak minded and small children and animals!?  :) :)
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