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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #480 on: September 11, 2014, 09:47:22 PM »
Agreed.  I pledge to do my best to avoid that topic.

Getting back to Gossett as suspect....in Geoff Gray's book there is one part where Carr is trying to locate the cigarette butts to do a DNA test for a suspect from Utah.  I don't think he'd say who it was, but it seemed likely that he was referring to Gossett or  McCoy.  So, I don't think talking about Gossett as a suspect is out there.

One point made, and it was made by the person we aren't mentioning, but it seems like a good point.  I never checked it out, though.  That is that the photo of Gossett that bears such a good resemblance to the drawing was from well before the hijacking and a photo closer to the hijacking (early 1973 I believe) showed Gossett much older looking and fatter.  Again, I can't confirm.

Of course, the drawing is a drawing and if they ever do find Cooper, he might not look exactly like it, either. So, who knows?
 

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« Reply #481 on: September 11, 2014, 09:57:06 PM »
I think it's Gossett where they show a video of him with extra weight on him during the time frame of the hijacking. the DNA with McCoy. they would have to find the butts to try a match his DNA through a family member. the present DNA will not work on family members. personally I don't see any point in trying to claim McCoy was Cooper. totally different in MO in my opinion. unless we invite Knoss into the forum.......not  8)


Keep in mind that if someone has something worth while to post about Robert, or KC there is no problem with that at all. leave the nonsense at the door  8)
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« Reply #482 on: September 11, 2014, 10:15:10 PM »
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Agreed.  I pledge to do my best to avoid that topic.

Getting back to Gossett as suspect....in Geoff Gray's book there is one part where Carr is trying to locate the cigarette butts to do a DNA test for a suspect from Utah.  I don't think he'd say who it was, but it seemed likely that he was referring to Gossett or  McCoy.  So, I don't think talking about Gossett as a suspect is out there.

One point made, and it was made by the person we aren't mentioning, but it seems like a good point.  I never checked it out, though.  That is that the photo of Gossett that bears such a good resemblance to the drawing was from well before the hijacking and a photo closer to the hijacking (early 1973 I believe) showed Gossett much older looking and fatter.  Again, I can't confirm.

Of course, the drawing is a drawing and if they ever do find Cooper, he might not look exactly like it, either. So, who knows?

Interesting point regarding the age of the Gossett picture that seems to look so much like DBC. Assuming Gossett was by late 1971 quite stocky in build it certainly goes against him. I think I read RH commenting that Kenny was too solid to be a fit for DBC.

Something I'm very conscious of is how flattering black can be as a clothing colour. What colour do most overweight women prefer? Black, because it makes them look slimmer. DBC wore a dark suit - some referred to it as having been black. Either way. Being dark it may have hidden some pounds?
 

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« Reply #483 on: September 11, 2014, 10:23:25 PM »
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I think it's Gossett where they show a video of him with extra weight on him during the time frame of the hijacking. the DNA with McCoy. they would have to find the butts to try a match his DNA through a family member. the present DNA will not work on family members. personally I don't see any point in trying to claim McCoy was Cooper. totally different in MO in my opinion. unless we invite Knoss into the forum.......not  8)

Keep in mind that if someone has something worth while to post about Robert, or KC there is no problem with that at all. leave the nonsense at the door  8)

McCoy is such a great fit for DBC in so many ways, but their personality and demeanor are so different. McCoy was menacing people with his gun and grenade whilst DBC was acting the almost perfect gentleman.

Remember also that in McCoy's written instructions he kept referring to 'we' and not 'I' Which in hindsight was clever, because it would have created more uncertainty in the minds of the crew and the authorities.
 

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« Reply #484 on: September 11, 2014, 10:25:48 PM »
Gosset is pretty darn close to the sketch. Kenny doesn't match if you ask me. he has a round face, and dimples/laugh lines what ever you want to call them. plus he is missing a lot of sod on the fairway  ;D :D :)

also, Kenny's hair is combed straight back, and not to the left.
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« Reply #485 on: September 11, 2014, 10:36:15 PM »
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Gosset is pretty darn close to the sketch. Kenny doesn't match if you ask me. he has a round face, and dimples/laugh lines what ever you want to call them. plus he is missing a lot of sod on the fairway  ;D :D :)

also, Kenny's hair is combed straight back, and not to the left.

I don't think Kenny had enough hair to qualify TBH, and as you said, his face is the wrong shape.

The likeness between that pic of Gossett - even if it was taken years earlier - is quite eerie.

Then again, I've read Gossett was a huge bullshit artist. So perhaps when he saw how much the DBC sketch resembled his earlier self he thought it would make a good bullshit story to go around claiming he was DBC?

 

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« Reply #486 on: September 11, 2014, 10:40:30 PM »
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Gosset is pretty darn close to the sketch. Kenny doesn't match if you ask me. he has a round face, and dimples/laugh lines what ever you want to call them. plus he is missing a lot of sod on the fairway  ;D :D :)

also, Kenny's hair is combed straight back, and not to the left.

I don't think Kenny had enough hair to qualify TBH, and as you said, his face is the wrong shape.

The likeness between that pic of Gossett - even if it was taken years earlier - is quite eerie.

Then again, I've read Gossett was a huge bullshit artist. So perhaps when he saw how much the DBC sketch resembled his earlier self he thought it would make a good bullshit story to go around claiming he was DBC?


I've heard that through Bruce. I don't really know enough about Gossett to make any conclusions. I keep saying I'm going to look into this suspect, but never get there  :(
 

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« Reply #487 on: September 12, 2014, 04:00:51 PM »
Regarding Gossett, probably the best historical source of information on Wolfie is via John Craig. Galen has given him tons of info, although there is nothing new in the past year or so.

There should be a link to John in my book, or just Google John Craig + Wolfgang Gossett.

I am in regular email contact with Galen and he tells me that his DB Cooper interest has taken a back seat to lawyering and making money.  He also has a lady in his life, and as we all know that means, well, anything.

My sense of Galen and his book is that he only wants to publish when he has solved the case, and that hasn't happened. I'm not sure why, either. In any regard, I have encouraged him to publish what he does know - about Gossett and the rest of the case - but he declines my advice. Sigh!

Galen also has an elderly mother to watch over, so life is a bit complicated in the Land of the Midnight Sun.
 

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« Reply #488 on: September 12, 2014, 05:07:05 PM »
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Regarding Gossett, probably the best historical source of information on Wolfie is via John Craig. Galen has given him tons of info, although there is nothing new in the past year or so.

There should be a link to John in my book, or just Google John Craig + Wolfgang Gossett.

I am in regular email contact with Galen and he tells me that his DB Cooper interest has taken a back seat to lawyering and making money.  He also has a lady in his life, and as we all know that means, well, anything.

My sense of Galen and his book is that he only wants to publish when he has solved the case, and that hasn't happened. I'm not sure why, either. In any regard, I have encouraged him to publish what he does know - about Gossett and the rest of the case - but he declines my advice. Sigh!

Galen also has an elderly mother to watch over, so life is a bit complicated in the Land of the Midnight Sun.

Was Gossett a CRACKHEAD! as alleged? The buzzword is out of the closet!

Or, has Gossett just been the victim of a well-orchestrated unrelenting hatchet job?



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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #489 on: September 12, 2014, 08:49:19 PM »
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« Reply #490 on: September 12, 2014, 10:01:02 PM »
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« Reply #491 on: September 13, 2014, 03:13:38 AM »
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Im as perplexed as you. Who thinks this stuff up!? 
 

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« Reply #492 on: September 13, 2014, 04:23:38 PM »
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« Reply #493 on: September 13, 2014, 07:20:36 PM »
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Apologies for the slight change of subject. But I'm becoming increasingly interested in WILLIAM GOSSETT

Gossett looks disconcertingly similar in appearance to the DBC sketches. I found it absolutely eery TBH.

Gossett also ticks the boxes the FBI seem to place a lot of stock in - his eye colour is correct and his height is near as darn it correct too.

Bruce has already mentioned other aspects of Gossett, including that he was about the right age, was a former paratrooper, was in the right place at the right time to have encountered the Dan Cooper comic, and to top it all off, confessed to the crime as well.

I'm not suggesting the above points make him DB Cooper, but he sure ticks a few boxes.

My question to the learned here is: What are the most obvious downsides to William Gossett having been Cooper???

When searching the DZ forums, I used the search terms of CKRET GOSSETT and pulled up two pages of information.
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Aahhh...the days when information was shared and members of the forum worked together.

From the shortcut you supplied an interesting quote :

Larry Carr :

"Here's the scoop on the Cook suspect, for many reasons it can't be him but this one seals it for me:

The story Cook is telling is that Gossett said he jumped into Oregon not Washington. Gossett claimed he thumped the sides of the aircraft over the Vancouver area to fool the crew and jumped much later. Anytime someone jumps from the stairs in an unlocked state it creates a pressure wave. There was only one pressure wave and it was while near the Vancouver area not past Portland.

The money find is explained as planting it to throw off the investigation. There is no logical connection to planting the money at Tenas Bar to throw off the investigation. The year is off as well, the plant apparently occurred prior to 1974.

There's more but that's enough for me.
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« Reply #494 on: September 13, 2014, 07:25:19 PM »
A second interesting quote - this time from Sluggo Monster - using the same shortcut to DZ :

Here’s what I have been led to believe:

Strands of hair from Gossett’s bandana (the one with the “Airborne Wings” (that you have seen in photos) and a full set of fingerprints (from some military document) were sent to the FBI.

The FBI sent the hair back (I believe) and suggested that Cook get a lab to run the DNA/mDNA and forward the results to the FBI.

I don’t know what they said about the prints. But, remember, the Bureau has only a partial (I don’t know which finger) print that they feel reasonably sure (read THINK) belonged to Cooper.