Amazing....

Gray has Lyle contacting the FBI in 2003
Robert claims the FBI came to Lyle's house in 2007 to get DNA (was a lie)
Lyle contacts the FBI in 1996 & 1997..confirmed.

Stamp/coin collection all over the board. Robert said he seen the receipt when Lyle sold the collection while Lyle only give approx. no claim of selling it off.

Doesn't take much time to see all the straw falling out...it just keeps giving 

You can say what ever you want about me. it's not going to change the cluster of obvious BS.

Joke of the day 

"I was sent this in an email and asked to quantify."

Doesn't the airlines base some rates of pay by hours in the air (flight hours)? that's what I'm looking at on a based flight attendant scale. so one would think the pay would be different depending on how much you work..i'm seeing rates from $597-$612 under 50 flight hours per month. 90 hours would be $696-$898 a month. that's over $10,000 a year...

The Purser is in charge of the cabin crew, in a specific section of a larger aircraft, or the whole aircraft itself (if the purser is the highest ranking). On board a larger aircraft, Pursers assist the Chief Purser in managing the cabin. Pursers are flight attendants or a related job, typically with an airline for several years prior to application for, and further training to become a purser, and normally earn a higher salary than flight attendants because of the added responsibility and supervisory role.

Salary estimates based on salary survey data collected directly from employers and anonymous employees in United States. An entry level flight purser (1-3 years of experience) earns an average salary of $15,079. On the other end, a senior level flight purser (8+ years of experience) earns an average salary of $18,060. doesn't say what period.

The median money income of families in the United States was $9,870 in 1970, according to estimates recently released by the Bureau of the Census, Department of Commerce. Kenny wasn't poor..

Many people fail to understand the value of a dollar 50 years ago. the poverty level was $4k. a salary of $6k plus was far from that level. $2k was a lot of money in that period. a whole lot. if you had $2k in the bank in 1971 it's the same as having $12k in the bank today. tossing around $5k in 1971 is the same as loaning someone $32k today. the average cost of a new home was around $25k in 1972.

Then we see claims Kenny purchased property for $10. that number is used often. the other number is one dollar. that's in order to keep our noses out of the actual cost.

These conveyances are recorded in the Courthouse of the County in which the interest is located, thereby placing it of public record.  Anybody can see the document.  It is not anybody's business what you received when you sold your property and thus we use the above "consideration" language in order to state that something of value was exchanged and thus this is a valid transaction.

In the 18 years Kenny had the mortgage he paid $3,536 at $16 a month with a balance of $3,964 in 1990 which he paid off after selling property. $16 was like paying $100 today. Kenny was known to be good with money so he got a very good deal here. no shady deals. actually, you can't disrupt the value of real estate. it will harm the value around that property. I didn't include what the mortgage company charged him. so the numbers above will not match the actual amount taken from the original agreement. he owed more than what is above. you need the percentage rate to see the actual amount he paid off prior to getting the deed.

I remember back in the early 70's we could find pop bottles and take them to the local store and go hog wild buying candy ranging from one cent up to a dime. you would get a nickel for every bottle. statistics in 1970 say we spent 10% of our yearly salary on food. that would be around $50 a month for Kenny. we can even up that to $80. gas was around 36 cents a gallon. you can get a new calculator cheap on Amazon..need the link?

Basically, you hurt your case spouting off stuff like this. imagine what the FBI thought about your real estate knowledge? do you really believe the people were smart enough to peg Kenny at a banquet but the "public" wasn't. aren't they the "public" too? Kenny has been on national television. that's Quora, Facebook and Wordpress all together. the hail mary of views, no? and it keeps getting broadcasted. where was the FBI, passengers and crew during the broadcast?

Now, if you wish I can have my mom call you and possibly get some more dirt to post on the DZ. maybe I pushed an old lady down or something?

He tried for a while. the letters date well into 1997. this is really not much different than a lot of other suspects. they all look good from the story point view once you really start looking into the suspect is when things start coming apart that are not really seen at first. most people only read the story vs researching the story to find out.

What's worse turning in a family member to gain financially or turning in a recently deceased family member. what would there opinion be if they could speak. perhaps that would be a good poll to take..

It appears Lyle contacted the FBI in late 1996 by telephone. then he sent three letters in 1997. it looks like a sub file was made in January of 1998. one letter looks like he contacted the stews and the captain? part 51 page 189. he said he sent a photo lineup to her that said she wasn't sure if any of the photo's were cooper.. since no action was taken with the phone call caused Lyle to start sending letters to them and photo's..another part Lyle states a writer (not Blevins) told him the captain went to the back of the plane and sat next to Cooper. Robert got that from Lyle in reference to Scott going to the back of the cabin. he was corrected on that so it makes you wonder if Robert knew about Lyle contacting them..

November 6, 1998 Duane Loren Weber's prints did not match the unidentified prints from the plane.

I was reading a recent article about Wolfgang Gossett as DBC and came away with the same thoughts that I always do upon reading such things.

That is, how can the following be reasonably explained:

1) What kind of work environment does your suspect work in whereby he's wearing a clip-on tie?

2) Given your suspect's work environment, how did he get titanium, aluminum, stainless steel and rare earth elements on his tie?

3) How is your suspect intimately familiar with the Boeing 727 (flap settings, refueling time, oxygen bottles, airstairs capabilities, pressurization)?

4) How is your suspect intimately familiar with the Seattle region (Tacoma from the air, distance from McChord to SeaTac)?

5) How is your suspect intimately familiar with skydiving (donning and use of parachutes, no instructions needed)?

6) Where was your suspect on Thanksgiving?

7) What is your suspect's motive?

If your suspect later confided in people that he was DB Cooper, why?

This is just a start. Nonetheless, if properly applied, these eight questions will eliminate 99.9% of suspects immediately.

Itā€™s a great list to start with EU and just for fun Iā€™ll put my top candidate James Klansnic up against your cooper questionnaire and see how he fares.

1) He was a Boeing engineer and wore a clip on tie to work every day. There is a picture of him standing under a 727 wearing one. The typical attire for Boeing engineers and managers during those days was black slacks white shirt and black tie.

2) Klansnic was a hydraulic and pneumatic engineer specifically and starting in 1967 he was apart of a program that was testing out titanium tubing for the SST hydraulics. CP TI and RMI ti were both experimented with for this program. The details of this program are detailed in a declassified government document which can be found online. On this doc Klansnic is credited with fusion welding of the titanium tubing. Turns out the rare earth elements found on the tie like the yytrium and cerium are found in electrode rods used for this very welding process. I also learned the the welding fumes from these processes contain some toxic and other misc particles which were all found on the tie like antimony, cadmium, vanadium, lead, cobalt, aluminum, molybdenum, chromium, nickel, tin, magnesium, cobalt, zinc, tungsten and titanium. 

3) Klansnic help build the 727 and has at least one 727 patent that I know of. As a hydraulic and pneumatic engineer    he played an integral part in the design of the aft stairs as they worked off of hydraulics and the 727 was one of the first commercial aircrafts to use hydraulics. In the June 1964 issue of hydraulics and pneumatics magazine he goes into grave detail on the technical workings of the 727 hydraulic systems. Safe to say he was at the top of the list of people as far as 727 knowledge is concerned. In fact flight 305 pilots called and spoke to another engineer in klansnics department (Boeing Commercial Airplanes) and asked him to calculate (using the then high tech tools of the day - a slide rule and paper performance charts) the flaps, minimum speed, airplaneā€™s attitude, and lowest altitude which would allow the hijacker to parachute from the rear of the plane and still allow the plane to fly safely with its 42 passengers and crew.

4) Washington state native born in Enumclaw and was living in Bellevue at the time of the skyjacking which is a stones throw away from issaquah sky sports were some of coopers chute the reserves for sure came from. Avid mountaineer/outdoorsmen so he would of spent a lot of time out in the terrain cooper jumped into. Was army air corps ww2 which increases the probability he knew the SeaTac to McCord drive time.

5) The chute cooper used is believed to have been military. Klansnic was a fighter pilot in ww2 who would of been familiar with that type of chute and would have been able to put it on with the ease that Tina described. He was also shot down in the war and had to eject and pull his chute which he did successfully in a pressure situation similar if not even more difficult then coopers jump.

6) Klansnic had a big family (6 kids and 3 siblings all who lived in either WA or OR.) The DZ being in Klansnics backyard would of allowed him to get back by the following morning in time to put on the first football game and start the thanksgiving festivities with his family.

7) Klansnic motive was two fold personal and financial. It was an opportunity to give a big f u to a  government which Iā€™ve learned from family that he had a destain for. He was a prisoner of war and went through a lot for a country that he felt wasnā€™t doing much for him in return when he came back from the war. He had to pay his way through school doing odd carpentry/electrical jobs, it was a struggle for him when he came back not to mention what being locked up in a pow camp for 12 months did to his psyche. He was designing the break system for the Boeing SST which the government scrapped six months prior to norjack which put his industry and company Boeing in grave financial danger. Things were bad in the months leading up to norjack hundreds of thousands of layoffs and billboards in Seattle saying last night be out turn off the lights. The Boeing employees like Klansnic that still had a job were actually off from thanksgiving until New Years because of the dire financial situation. This is where I believe the financial comes into play. This was an inside job between Boeing and then pan American airline ceo and former head of the FAA najeeb halaby to creat a need for airport security regulation/equipment. Halaby was the lead proponent for the SST as well and was meeting with nixon just hours before the skyjacking. He then goes on to start a company that made hundreds of millions of not billions in airport security regulation contracts and equipment. Follow the money. This new revenue stream helped to keep Boeing afloat which in turn assured klansnics job security.

8 ) Never did. He was a POW for 12 months stalag luft I, the guy could keep his mouth shut.

Iā€™ll add one more to your list 9) how does your candidate match up with the known key physical cooper characteristics. ie height between 5ā€10-6ft, slim/slender build better 170-170 pounds. Age mid forties to early fifties, Brown hair/eyes, Olive/darker complexion, higher hairline with an unusual slant on the forehead, turkey gobble and protruding lower lip. Klansnic matches every single one of these features unlike any other suspect, we have the majority who we would need to believe could of pulled of wearing make up because there too white except for hahneman and maybe KC/Braden. Then we got guys that were balding like KC/SP and we would need to believe that they were able to fool witnesses with a toupee or guys that just had to much hair and donā€™t match the higher hairline like RWR or WJS. I recently found a new pic of Klansnic from the sixties on ancestry which Iā€™ll share below. Big take away a from this pic are the height, weight, and the high hairline.

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Which one is he in the photo? Tall guy in the middle in the white shirt?

Yes, what do you think RD?

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I was reading a recent article about Wolfgang Gossett as DBC and came away with the same thoughts that I always do upon reading such things.

That is, how can the following be reasonably explained:

1) What kind of work environment does your suspect work in whereby he's wearing a clip-on tie?

2) Given your suspect's work environment, how did he get titanium, aluminum, stainless steel and rare earth elements on his tie?

3) How is your suspect intimately familiar with the Boeing 727 (flap settings, refueling time, oxygen bottles, airstairs capabilities, pressurization)?

4) How is your suspect intimately familiar with the Seattle region (Tacoma from the air, distance from McChord to SeaTac)?

5) How is your suspect intimately familiar with skydiving (donning and use of parachutes, no instructions needed)?

6) Where was your suspect on Thanksgiving?

7) What is your suspect's motive?

If your suspect later confided in people that he was DB Cooper, why?

This is just a start. Nonetheless, if properly applied, these eight questions will eliminate 99.9% of suspects immediately.

Itā€™s a great list to start with EU and just for fun Iā€™ll put my top candidate James Klansnic up against your cooper questionnaire and see how he fares.

1) He was a Boeing engineer and wore a clip on tie to work every day. There is a picture of him standing under a 727 wearing one. The typical attire for Boeing engineers and managers during those days was black slacks white shirt and black tie.

2) Klansnic was a hydraulic and pneumatic engineer specifically and starting in 1967 he was apart of a program that was testing out titanium tubing for the SST hydraulics. CP TI and RMI ti were both experimented with for this program. The details of this program are detailed in a declassified government document which can be found online. On this doc Klansnic is credited with fusion welding of the titanium tubing. Turns out the rare earth elements found on the tie like the yytrium and cerium are found in electrode rods used for this very welding process. I also learned the the welding fumes from these processes contain some toxic and other misc particles which were all found on the tie like antimony, cadmium, vanadium, lead, cobalt, aluminum, molybdenum, chromium, nickel, tin, magnesium, cobalt, zinc, tungsten and titanium. 

3) Klansnic help build the 727 and has at least one 727 patent that I know of. As a hydraulic and pneumatic engineer    he played an integral part in the design of the aft stairs as they worked off of hydraulics and the 727 was one of the first commercial aircrafts to use hydraulics. In the June 1964 issue of hydraulics and pneumatics magazine he goes into grave detail on the technical workings of the 727 hydraulic systems. Safe to say he was at the top of the list of people as far as 727 knowledge is concerned. In fact flight 305 pilots called and spoke to another engineer in klansnics department (Boeing Commercial Airplanes) and asked him to calculate (using the then high tech tools of the day - a slide rule and paper performance charts) the flaps, minimum speed, airplaneā€™s attitude, and lowest altitude which would allow the hijacker to parachute from the rear of the plane and still allow the plane to fly safely with its 42 passengers and crew.

4) Washington state native born in Enumclaw and was living in Bellevue at the time of the skyjacking which is a stones throw away from issaquah sky sports were some of coopers chute the reserves for sure came from. Avid mountaineer/outdoorsmen so he would of spent a lot of time out in the terrain cooper jumped into. Was army air corps ww2 which increases the probability he knew the SeaTac to McCord drive time.

5) The chute cooper used is believed to have been military. Klansnic was a fighter pilot in ww2 who would of been familiar with that type of chute and would have been able to put it on with the ease that Tina described. He was also shot down in the war and had to eject and pull his chute which he did successfully in a pressure situation similar if not even more difficult then coopers jump.

6) Klansnic had a big family (6 kids and 3 siblings all who lived in either WA or OR.) The DZ being in Klansnics backyard would of allowed him to get back by the following morning in time to put on the first football game and start the thanksgiving festivities with his family.

7) Klansnic motive was two fold personal and financial. It was an opportunity to give a big f u to a  government which Iā€™ve learned from family that he had a destain for. He was a prisoner of war and went through a lot for a country that he felt wasnā€™t doing much for him in return when he came back from the war. He had to pay his way through school doing odd carpentry/electrical jobs, it was a struggle for him when he came back not to mention what being locked up in a pow camp for 12 months did to his psyche. He was designing the break system for the Boeing SST which the government scrapped six months prior to norjack which put his industry and company Boeing in grave financial danger. Things were bad in the months leading up to norjack hundreds of thousands of layoffs and billboards in Seattle saying last night be out turn off the lights. The Boeing employees like Klansnic that still had a job were actually off from thanksgiving until New Years because of the dire financial situation. This is where I believe the financial comes into play. This was an inside job between Boeing and then pan American airline ceo and former head of the FAA najeeb halaby to creat a need for airport security regulation/equipment. Halaby was the lead proponent for the SST as well and was meeting with nixon just hours before the skyjacking. He then goes on to start a company that made hundreds of millions of not billions in airport security regulation contracts and equipment. Follow the money. This new revenue stream helped to keep Boeing afloat which in turn assured klansnics job security.

8 ) Never did. He was a POW for 12 months stalag luft I, the guy could keep his mouth shut.

Iā€™ll add one more to your list 9) how does your candidate match up with the known key physical cooper characteristics. ie height between 5ā€10-6ft, slim/slender build better 170-170 pounds. Age mid forties to early fifties, Brown hair/eyes, Olive/darker complexion, higher hairline with an unusual slant on the forehead, turkey gobble and protruding lower lip. Klansnic matches every single one of these features unlike any other suspect, we have the majority who we would need to believe could of pulled of wearing make up because there too white except for hahneman and maybe KC/Braden. Then we got guys that were balding like KC/SP and we would need to believe that they were able to fool witnesses with a toupee or guys that just had to much hair and donā€™t match the higher hairline like RWR or WJS. I recently found a new pic of Klansnic from the sixties on ancestry which Iā€™ll share below. Big take away a from this pic are the height, weight, and the high hairline.

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OK, so let's go through the checklist here and see what we come up with regarding Klansnic.

1) The guy worked at Boeing which is a great connection. I don't think you need to go overboard with "wore a clip on tie to work every day" or "standing under a 727 with one." Neither of the comments may be accurate and are not unnecessary.

2) We know that the SST utilized alloyed titanium and I have heard that some CP titanium was also used in some areas on the SST. Therefore, if JK was in and around the SST project he could have picked up some of these items. The stuff about welding seems like a stretch unless the guy is welding while wearing a tie or is in the immediate vicinity of someone who is welding while he's wearing a tie which strikes me as odd. Moreover, it's unnecessary because the SST utilized a glass cockpit and that theoretically provided some other opportunities to pick up the rare earth stuff.

3) If he worked on the 727 in the hydraulics area that could account for a fair degree of knowledge with respect to the 727.

4) Native of the area and lives there is a check.

5) What you've described is a WWII pilot who ejected with an emergency rig and apparently successfully deployed it. That's fine, however, I'm assuming he was not an experienced skydiver or someone who was used to jumping at night, under adverse conditions, and comfortable with perhaps landing in the woods with a fair amount of stuff strapped to his person. What I'm getting at here is that DBC's jump required some stones. And by all accounts he was as cool as a cucumber which suggests to me that skydiving under adverse conditions was in his wheelhouse. I don't see that with JK.

6) It's plausible. The question is: Was he at home for Thanksgiving and by what time? Did he help prepare for Thanksgiving the evening before or morning of? If so, this eliminates him as a suspect.

7) I think this explanation falls completely flat. Why the hell would a guy who has the ability to meet the President of the United States in person arrange some Mickey Mouse thing like this? For a government contract? That strikes me as "no way in hell" Additionally, JK didn't lose his job. He seemed like a descent family man, with a good job, and church-going. So he decides to pull this off? Why? He's not jammed up financially. He's pissed at the US military because he got shot down and was a POW? Makes no sense. Is he really the type? The crazy Rackstraw-type?

Well if he wasn't DBC he certainly wouldn't confide in anyone that he was. Not really applicable in this instance.

Concerning the physical characteristics, JK would have been 51.  The stews also had him at 6' and 6' 1"...how tall was JK? What about his weight? In good shape? In the pics I've seen, JK looked every bit his age. In other words, he does not appear to be a young for his age.

In summary, JK appears to have been in the right place at the right time, however, his physical attributes seem a little out of sorts and he just doesn't strike me as the type. I mean, he was one of the few who kept his good-paying professional Boeing job during the recession. He continued to work there for years after the skyjacking. He doesn't strike me as a guy who suddenly went sideways.

These are simply my thoughts and my opinions.