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My top suspect is still the Unabomber. 

Screw the description and facts! He looked older than he was. 

After resigning from Berkeley in 1969, Kaczynski moved to his parents' home in Lombard, Illinois, then two years later, in 1971, to a remote cabin he had built outside Lincoln, Montana, where he could live a simple life with little money and without electricity or running water,[43] working odd jobs and receiving some financial support from his family. His money soon ran out. He quickly set up a routine which included riding into Lincoln on his bicycle to haunt the village library, and the bus station - where he became a regular. He began taking bus trips to Missoula which became his access to the outside world. He was seen at the Missoula airport where he would sit watching airplanes coming and going - while taking meticulous notes and making sketches?

Between 1978 and 1995, Kaczynski mailed or hand-delivered a series of increasingly sophisticated bombs that cumulatively killed three people and injured 23 others, some severely. In all, 16 intricately made bombs were attributed to Kaczynski all via trips he made to Missoula.  His top targets were airlines and universities.

In response to her query as to why he had chosen a Northwest airplane to hijack, Cooper said ā€˜he had ā€œa grudge but not against Northwest Airlinesā€ adding ā€˜that the Northwest plane just happened to be in the right place at the right timeā€™.

305 stopped at Missoula on its way to Portland!

R99 pans  Kaczynski but the facts are 305's schedule routed through Missoula including on the day of the hijacking, and Kaczynski had a relationship to Missoula in 1971. He may have known people there or knew like-minded people who also used Missoula as a transportation hub ... in 1971. Airlines and airline executives were on  Kaczynski's list of targets.  Kaczynski had a long stated grudge against the airlines. Cooper told Tina he had a grudge 'but not against your airlines'.  Kaczynsk was investigated for any connection to the Cooper case. People speculated that  Kaczynsk was DB Cooper, or might be somehow involved in the Cooper case.  Those are the facts. The relationship is a lot more tangible (factual) than most of the people brought forward in the DB Cooper case, and there have to be 302's related to  Kaczynski being investigated in the Cooper case by the FBI, which actually happened but at a later date than FOIA 302's covered in the Cooper case. A lengthy time period separates the Cooper investigation from when the Kaczynski started. But people wondered immediately if Kaczynski had had anything to do with the Cooper hijacking, once the Kaczynski investigation started.     

It is more tangible than any 'west path' R99 and Ulis have dreamed up ...   

Georger,

Engage your brain before reading further.

First, Cooper didn't say that he had a grudge against ANY airline.  He just said he didn't have a grudge against NWA.

Second, his statement about NWA 305 just being in the right place at the right time means only that it was in Portland at the time he wanted to initiate his hijacking.  Remember that he asked the ticket agent if the incoming flight was a 727.  In asking that question he was only confirming what he already knew from the flight schedules and was just checking to make sure than another type aircraft had not been substituted on that particular day.  And remember that the Portland to Seattle service with a 727 at that particular time had only started about three months earlier.

Cooper carried on a conversation and otherwise interacted with Tina and the other flight attendants for several hours in a very social manner.  It is highly unlikely that Kaczynski could not do that.  And there is no evidence whatsoever that Kaczynski had any aeronautical knowledge of consequence.

Dream on!

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My top suspect is still the Unabomber. 

Screw the description and facts! He looked older than he was. 

After resigning from Berkeley in 1969, Kaczynski moved to his parents' home in Lombard, Illinois, then two years later, in 1971, to a remote cabin he had built outside Lincoln, Montana, where he could live a simple life with little money and without electricity or running water,[43] working odd jobs and receiving some financial support from his family. His money soon ran out. He quickly set up a routine which included riding into Lincoln on his bicycle to haunt the village library, and the bus station - where he became a regular. He began taking bus trips to Missoula which became his access to the outside world. He was seen at the Missoula airport where he would sit watching airplanes coming and going - while taking meticulous notes and making sketches?

Between 1978 and 1995, Kaczynski mailed or hand-delivered a series of increasingly sophisticated bombs that cumulatively killed three people and injured 23 others, some severely. In all, 16 intricately made bombs were attributed to Kaczynski all via trips he made to Missoula.  His top targets were airlines and universities.

In response to her query as to why he had chosen a Northwest airplane to hijack, Cooper said ā€˜he had ā€œa grudge but not against Northwest Airlinesā€ adding ā€˜that the Northwest plane just happened to be in the right place at the right timeā€™.

305 stopped at Missoula on its way to Portland!

R99 pans  Kaczynski but the facts are 305's schedule routed through Missoula including on the day of the hijacking, and Kaczynski had a relationship to Missoula in 1971. He may have known people there or knew like-minded people who also used Missoula as a transportation hub ... in 1971. Airlines and airline executives were on  Kaczynski's list of targets.  Kaczynski had a long stated grudge against the airlines. Cooper told Tina he had a grudge 'but not against your airlines'.  Kaczynsk was investigated for any connection to the Cooper case. People speculated that  Kaczynsk was DB Cooper, or might be somehow involved in the Cooper case.  Those are the facts. The relationship is a lot more tangible (factual) than most of the people brought forward in the DB Cooper case, and there have to be 302's related to  Kaczynski being investigated in the Cooper case by the FBI, which actually happened but at a later date than FOIA 302's covered in the Cooper case. A lengthy time period separates the Cooper investigation from when the Kaczynski started. But people wondered immediately if Kaczynski had had anything to do with the Cooper hijacking, once the Kaczynski investigation started.     

It is more tangible than any 'west path' R99 and Ulis have dreamed up ...   

Georger,

Engage your brain before reading further.

First, Cooper didn't say that he had a grudge against ANY airline.  He just said he didn't have a grudge against NWA.

Second, his statement about NWA 305 just being in the right place at the right time means only that it was in Portland at the time he wanted to initiate his hijacking.  Remember that he asked the ticket agent if the incoming flight was a 727.  In asking that question he was only confirming what he already knew from the flight schedules and was just checking to make sure than another type aircraft had not been substituted on that particular day.  And remember that the Portland to Seattle service with a 727 at that particular time had only started about three months earlier.

Cooper carried on a conversation and otherwise interacted with Tina and the other flight attendants for several hours in a very social manner.  It is highly unlikely that Kaczynski could not do that.  And there is no evidence whatsoever that Kaczynski had any aeronautical knowledge of consequence.

Dream on!

Correct. C said 'right plane right place right time' which could mean he had been looking/waiting from someplace or this was a spur-of-the moment decision ?  How do you decide? You decide based on him saying he had a grudge; that is a long term affair. So at the very least he had a longstanding issue he was processing ... just as   Kaczynski had a long term issue he was processing (and talking to people about).

He asked if it was a 727. He wants rear stair hole to bail from. No more complicated than that.

You say he knew the schedule - he knew from where? No home computers that day. So perhaps from a place on the NWA route, like the Missoula airport ? It has to be a place or venue where NWA route skeds are posted.

Hope your brain hasnt swelled too much reading this! 

I hate to have to tell you this, but you don't know what you are talking about.  But in 1971, the airlines published a Manhattan telephone size book that listed all the airline schedules in the USA, including the type of aircraft used on each route.  These could be accessed at airline ticket agencies, libraries, and many other places.  In addition, each airline published their own schedules and routes with the same information.  The specific airline schedules were widely distributed.

Your claim that Cooper had a grudge against airlines is baseless.  Cooper was interested in a 727 because he knew from some source that he could lower the aft stairs and bail out through that opening.

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I hate to have to tell you this, but you don't know what you are talking about.  But in 1971, the airlines published a Manhattan telephone size book that listed all the airline schedules in the USA, including the type of aircraft used on each route.  These could be accessed at airline ticket agencies, libraries, and many other places.  In addition, each airline published their own schedules and routes with the same information.  The specific airline schedules were widely distributed.

Your claim that Cooper had a grudge against airlines is baseless.  Cooper was interested in a 727 because he knew from some source that he could lower the aft stairs and bail out through that opening.

OH! Yes - that was published years ago maybe by you - who knows who. So it was available at libraries. Good. Did Kaczynski's Lincoln or Missoula library where he spent so much time researching his victims have a copy? Did the airport at Missoula have a copy?

Keep posting your reminder stuff Robert. Its coming in very handy.

I never said "Cooper had a grudge against airlines." I said HE SAID: I have a grudge ... but not against YOUR AIRLINES". We dont know if his statement was generic or particular. My statement was "Kaczynski had a grudge. Part of his grudge was against airlines and airline executives one of whom he sent a bomb to and killed".

The question is (now read that again!): Is Cooper's grudge the same as or related to, Kaczynski's grudge? Cooper said: 'not against YOUR airlines". Cooper did not say: '''not against airlines'''.  Its just a question Robert. Dont let it spoil your whole life!   

You see, 305 did stop at Missoula before going on to Portland where the hijack started. You see, when someone says  "not against your airlines" that does not automatically eliminate 'all airlines' or airlines generically. I just find it odd that 305 passes through Missoula, a hotbed of political activism and a place someone could have seen the NWA schedule (according to you!) and a few hours later someone walks up to the NWA counter and asks for a ticket on that self same airplane, asking if it's (still?) a 727? As  you say: someone did his or her research at somewhere.

Its just one option. 

BTW Roberto. I started this topic just as an exercise. It checked a few boxes. Kaczynski's whereabouts on the day of the hijacking were checked out. Kaczynski was eliminated partly on that basis. But, 305 did land in Kaczynski's back yard, as it were.

Have a nice day Robert. 

Would Kaczynski say "airlines" (plural) while referring only to NWA which is just one airline (singular)?  Give the man some credit for being familiar with the English language.  After all he probably had to do a bit of writing in English to get into and graduate from Harvard as well as doing the same thing during his PhD work.

You bet Kaczynski could get a copy of the NWA flight routes and schedules at the NWA counter at the Missoula airport, probably at the Missoula Library, and definitely at any travel agencies in Missoula.

NWA 305 passed through several other cities on the day of the hijacking.  You would probably have a better case if you checked into people who were in Seattle and Portland that day.

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My top suspect is still the Unabomber. 

Screw the description and facts! He looked older than he was. 

After resigning from Berkeley in 1969, Kaczynski moved to his parents' home in Lombard, Illinois, then two years later, in 1971, to a remote cabin he had built outside Lincoln, Montana, where he could live a simple life with little money and without electricity or running water,[43] working odd jobs and receiving some financial support from his family. His money soon ran out. He quickly set up a routine which included riding into Lincoln on his bicycle to haunt the village library, and the bus station - where he became a regular. He began taking bus trips to Missoula which became his access to the outside world. He was seen at the Missoula airport where he would sit watching airplanes coming and going - while taking meticulous notes and making sketches?

Between 1978 and 1995, Kaczynski mailed or hand-delivered a series of increasingly sophisticated bombs that cumulatively killed three people and injured 23 others, some severely. In all, 16 intricately made bombs were attributed to Kaczynski all via trips he made to Missoula.  His top targets were airlines and universities.

In response to her query as to why he had chosen a Northwest airplane to hijack, Cooper said ā€˜he had ā€œa grudge but not against Northwest Airlinesā€ adding ā€˜that the Northwest plane just happened to be in the right place at the right timeā€™.

305 stopped at Missoula on its way to Portland!

R99 pans  Kaczynski but the facts are 305's schedule routed through Missoula including on the day of the hijacking, and Kaczynski had a relationship to Missoula in 1971. He may have known people there or knew like-minded people who also used Missoula as a transportation hub ... in 1971. Airlines and airline executives were on  Kaczynski's list of targets.  Kaczynski had a long stated grudge against the airlines. Cooper told Tina he had a grudge 'but not against your airlines'.  Kaczynsk was investigated for any connection to the Cooper case. People speculated that  Kaczynsk was DB Cooper, or might be somehow involved in the Cooper case.  Those are the facts. The relationship is a lot more tangible (factual) than most of the people brought forward in the DB Cooper case, and there have to be 302's related to  Kaczynski being investigated in the Cooper case by the FBI, which actually happened but at a later date than FOIA 302's covered in the Cooper case. A lengthy time period separates the Cooper investigation from when the Kaczynski started. But people wondered immediately if Kaczynski had had anything to do with the Cooper hijacking, once the Kaczynski investigation started.     

It is more tangible than any 'west path' R99 and Ulis have dreamed up ...   

Georger,

Engage your brain before reading further.

First, Cooper didn't say that he had a grudge against ANY airline.  He just said he didn't have a grudge against NWA.

Second, his statement about NWA 305 just being in the right place at the right time means only that it was in Portland at the time he wanted to initiate his hijacking.  Remember that he asked the ticket agent if the incoming flight was a 727.  In asking that question he was only confirming what he already knew from the flight schedules and was just checking to make sure than another type aircraft had not been substituted on that particular day.  And remember that the Portland to Seattle service with a 727 at that particular time had only started about three months earlier.

Cooper carried on a conversation and otherwise interacted with Tina and the other flight attendants for several hours in a very social manner.  It is highly unlikely that Kaczynski could not do that.  And there is no evidence whatsoever that Kaczynski had any aeronautical knowledge of consequence.

Dream on!

None of the passengers that I've spoken with have ever mentioned getting fingerprinted.

On a similar track, I wonder if Tina has seen a pix of Hahneman and if she ruled him out. If Flyjack is reading these pages, perhaps he'll know.