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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #405 on: August 28, 2014, 07:12:03 AM »
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #406 on: August 28, 2014, 07:19:37 AM »
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Yeah, equally disappointing result. With that shortcut I instead get the written message "Sorry, currently our video library can only be watched from within the United States."
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #407 on: August 28, 2014, 09:53:33 AM »
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Kenny flew with NWO for 20 years after the Cooper skyjacking, trekking mostly to Japan and Hong Kong.  Now, we have Tina saying that she flew routes to the Orient after the skyjacking.

Go figure. 

I wouldn't be surprised if this is a veiled attempt by Tina to tell us that Kenny is not the guy.

It makes no sense whatsoever if KC had been DBC that he'd take such a risk being identified, and for 20 YEARS!

If Tina had encountered him, and he was DBC, how long would it have taken her to identify him? 30 seconds? A minute?

I don't think Kenny was anything other the average working guy. he did what many people do about there jobs, and that was to complain. it gets shifted around as a motive. Cooper said he didn't have a grudge against the airline, but that doesn't stop him. Tina also said she had to look up at Cooper. Tina is the same height as KC. Robert works real hard trying to link Bernie Geestman with Kenny. If you watched Decoded they say at the end that Bernie was NOT the accomplice putting a huge hole in the whole thing. Bernie and his ex wife obviously don't get along, so making things up about each other can not be over looked. all the negatives can go on, and on with KC as a suspect.  8)

I've heard a lot about the Decoded show on KC. But I've never seen it. Reason being, even thought it's on Youtube, it can't be accessed in my region (Australia). When you click on any shortcut to it, and there are plenty, it just comes up with a message and doesn't play. The best I've been able to find is a copy in French that does play but I can't understand a bloody word  >:(

How did they discount Geestman as having been the accomplice and still maintain KC was DBC?

That's interesting...I don't know if you have satellite or cable in Australia or a DVR, but I set my DVR to record anything DB Cooper and it got it eventually.  There is a book called "Decoded" where they cover all of the episodes.  In the book and on the show, the crew is adamant that they believed Geestman.   His body language and is willingness to appear were probably factors.

The only thing that seems to tie Geestman to the hijacking (according to Robert Blevins) is that he was kind of a shady guy, Kenny's whereabouts is unaccounted for that weekend and Bernie was apparently with him.  That's about all of it.    If the Lindbergh kidnapping were that weekend, Kenny would have been a suspect in that, too.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #408 on: August 28, 2014, 10:00:01 AM »
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try this one I guess they are blocking your Country....

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Yeah, equally disappointing result. With that shortcut I instead get the written message "Sorry, currently our video library can only be watched from within the United States."

Try this one...   

The channel it is posted on, dbcooperxfiles, also has other Cooper videos. I have NO IDEA who owns this channel and, if I did, I can't tell you.   ;D
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #409 on: August 28, 2014, 12:52:23 PM »
I don't know how I missed that one.

I don't think they realized they blew Roberts story right out of the water. you have Bernie calling Robert his favorite word (liar) then you have them agree he wasn't the accomplice. as Mark says. Kenny could be accused of any crime that happened around the week of November 24, 1971.

Working 20 years for NW after the crime....not good
Kenny is too short. Tina said she had to look up at Cooper. KC & Tina are the same height.
The amount of cash in his accounts can be verified through the sale of several lots at $17,000 an acre. he had over a dozen acres, and the purchase goes back way before 1971. the cons go on, and on.

ADDED: I can almost guarantee Robert would rip this story to shreds if it had nothing to do with him. lots of "liars" would be included in his responses. along with the old "reality hotel" thingy....

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #410 on: August 28, 2014, 01:54:08 PM »
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ADDED: I can almost guarantee Robert would rip this story to shreds if it had nothing to do with him. lots of "liars" would be included in his responses. along with the old "reality hotel" thingy....

It really shows the value of a suspect having a sponsor that keeps the discussion going.

As we've said WE continue to talk about Duane and Kenny, even though if we were working on the case, we'd have dismissed them long ago for lack of evidence.  And, in both cases having a sponsor was able to get the FBI to take a closer look at each suspect (In Kenny's case, it was Gray who talked to Carr) than they probably deserved.

For me, I would have thought "Hey, I got my shot at making my case to the FBI".  But, when someone is a true believer in their suspect, the absence of any evidence is not going to dissuade them.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #411 on: August 28, 2014, 02:02:13 PM »
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ADDED: I can almost guarantee Robert would rip this story to shreds if it had nothing to do with him. lots of "liars" would be included in his responses. along with the old "reality hotel" thingy....

It really shows the value of a suspect having a sponsor that keeps the discussion going.

As we've said WE continue to talk about Duane and Kenny, even though if we were working on the case, we'd have dismissed them long ago for lack of evidence.  And, in both cases having a sponsor was able to get the FBI to take a closer look at each suspect (In Kenny's case, it was Gray who talked to Carr) than they probably deserved.

For me, I would have thought "Hey, I got my shot at making my case to the FBI".  But, when someone is a true believer in their suspect, the absence of any evidence is not going to dissuade them.


Agreed. I can only guess and say Robert is that blind to the truth, or he knows Kenny is not really Cooper, and just keeps the flames burning since he has so much time & money into it. he seems to be putting far to many things on the cart way ahead of the horse IMO.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #412 on: August 28, 2014, 04:29:49 PM »
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try this one I guess they are blocking your Country....

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Yeah, equally disappointing result. With that shortcut I instead get the written message "Sorry, currently our video library can only be watched from within the United States."

Try this one...   

The channel it is posted on, dbcooperxfiles, also has other Cooper videos. I have NO IDEA who owns this channel and, if I did, I can't tell you.   ;D

Pay dirt! Thanks so much for that.

I'm off to work in about 10 minutes but I''ll be sure and watch it tonight.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #413 on: August 28, 2014, 04:52:34 PM »
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ADDED: I can almost guarantee Robert would rip this story to shreds if it had nothing to do with him. lots of "liars" would be included in his responses. along with the old "reality hotel" thingy....

It really shows the value of a suspect having a sponsor that keeps the discussion going.

As we've said WE continue to talk about Duane and Kenny, even though if we were working on the case, we'd have dismissed them long ago for lack of evidence.  And, in both cases having a sponsor was able to get the FBI to take a closer look at each suspect (In Kenny's case, it was Gray who talked to Carr) than they probably deserved.

For me, I would have thought "Hey, I got my shot at making my case to the FBI".  But, when someone is a true believer in their suspect, the absence of any evidence is not going to dissuade them.

Or, it is simply all personal promotion; never any relationship to the real DB Cooper case. Frauds are not new to this case! People have been prosecuted for their frauds in this case - others have been threatened with prosecution. It's nothing new in the 'famous' DB Cooper case.

A number of people swear Jo's original claim was that she and Duane had an idea who Cooper might have been - not that Duane was Cooper. One party claims to have telephone conversations which proves this.

RMB keeps saying he has no financial interest in this - only wants the truth - except he has taken steps all along the way to 'OWN" property & rights! He has threatened to sue interlopers and critics like Bruce. And he has waged a ceaseless war  against the personal 'integrity and credibility' of all competitors; Weber has done the same thing.

If it quacks and flies like a duck maybe it is a duck?

 
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #414 on: August 29, 2014, 06:31:53 AM »
RH claims DBC was in 18C in the Decoded video.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #415 on: August 29, 2014, 04:18:30 PM »
Himms is apparently misinformed. Ralph has a lot of details wrong, and I have a whole list in my notes.  Remember, too, that Ralph was not the principal investigator in Norjak early on. He only gained prominence in Norjak in 1975 for the John Doe file at the Federal Grand Jury in Portland.  SAC Julie Mattson clearly ran the Cooper show in Portland in the early days.

As for seating arrangements, according to Bill Mitchell in multiple interviews with different sources, WHSM, Galen, etc, he was sitting in 18-B and Cooper was in 18-E, although the skyjacker might have initially been in the aisle seat, 18-D, when he gave Flo the note upon take-off.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #416 on: August 29, 2014, 04:20:43 PM »
Where is  SAC Julie Mattson now?
 

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« Reply #417 on: August 29, 2014, 05:07:47 PM »
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Where is  SAC Julie Mattson now?
I think that should be Jules Mattson.  He was the head of the Portland office on the day of the hijacking and is probably a bit older than Himmelsbach.  So I presume Mattson retired before the money was found at Tina Bar.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #418 on: August 29, 2014, 05:43:52 PM »
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Himms is apparently misinformed. Ralph has a lot of details wrong, and I have a whole list in my notes.  Remember, too, that Ralph was not the principal investigator in Norjak early on. He only gained prominence in Norjak in 1975 for the John Doe file at the Federal Grand Jury in Portland.  SAC Julie Mattson clearly ran the Cooper show in Portland in the early days.

As for seating arrangements, according to Bill Mitchell in multiple interviews with different sources, WHSM, Galen, etc, he was sitting in 18-B and Cooper was in 18-E, although the skyjacker might have initially been in the aisle seat, 18-D, when he gave Flo the note upon take-off.

Where does Charlie Farrell fit in then? I know he was in Seattle. But I thought he initially headed the FBI's investigation?
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #419 on: August 29, 2014, 09:58:58 PM »
Yeah, Bruce.  Mitchell in 18B with a perfect profile shot of DBC in 18E.  Flo sat in 18D, initially, but later...............Tina sat in 18D.  Tina moved up to the cockpit and Alice stayed in FC.