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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3900 on: December 02, 2018, 04:35:44 PM »
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This "Honduras" memo from 5/15/72 confirms that Sub HH is Hahneman
Both Honduras hijack mention and Sub HH (handwritten) are on the memo.

Whoever they showed it to in Sumner, WA said Hahneman didn't look like Cooper.


On May 11, 1972, <redacted> Sumner, Washington, was exhibited the artist’s conception of the hijacker who recently parachuted in Honduras. He stated the individual in no way resembles "D. B. COOPER."


Not exactly, the witness said the UNSUB sketch didn't look like Cooper,, this was before Hahneman was Id'd..

Here, the Hahneman photo was viewed...   WOOHOOO..   buckle up it may be a bumpy ride... "Suspects in the mirror are larger than they appear"
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3901 on: December 02, 2018, 04:37:25 PM »
I have all the FBI memos OCR'ed (image to characters) with Abbyy Finereader, which adds a hidden text layer to the pdfs. Then I can search for text. I can search the whole folder of memos at once for any phrase or word, with windows 10 (it searches text in pdfs)

There's too many pages now to just remember things.

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How did you find this doc so quickly? Memory, filing system presorted ......... ?
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3902 on: December 02, 2018, 04:39:33 PM »
So basically, you're just saying Frederick Hahneman was Cooper?

The main "evidence" is similarity to the sketch?

Or is there other evidence?

I'm not sure what's new. Surely the FBI had all the "info" you're claiming...and they decided "not Cooper"

Why do you decide "Cooper" instead?
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3903 on: December 02, 2018, 05:20:51 PM »
The FBI released a photograph of Hahneman and described him as a while male, five feet eight inches tall, with brown hair and brown eyes, and with a scar on the back of his left hand.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3904 on: December 02, 2018, 05:34:11 PM »

If he was Cooper he should of known to keep the hijacking between the crew and not involve the passengers as he did the first time. he also uses violence as well a firearm. not the same MO..

About 20 minutes into the flight, Hahneman decided to act. Pulling out his handgun, he informed the pilot, Captain W.L. Hendershott of Miami, and the rest of the crew that he was taking over the plane and wanted $303,000 from the airline. Not long afterward, the pilot came on the intercom and announced, "There is an armed man aboard."


Hahneman held the chief stewardess hostage at the back of the plane.

Stunned passengers quickly found that what was to be a 40-minute hop to Washington would be much more. Wrote Times reporter Amdur later: "From the moment the captain uttered those chilling words . . . I felt a sense of fear I had never known."

Amdur knew he was not alone in his feelings. The couple sitting next to him, John and Mary McDonald of Lansford, sought relief in prayer. Frank Valek, who was unaware of what had happened, got up to go the plane's rear restroom and found the hijacker and the stewardess in front of him. "After I asked him jokingly where the line began," Valek said later, "the man turned slowly around and jammed a gun into my midsection. He said, 'Don't try anything funny. Go back to your seat and sit down.' " After this encounter, Valek went to the restroom in the front of the plane. "I really had to go then," he said.

Robert Palazzo, the mayor of Columbia, N.J., got up to go to the magazine rack. He noticed the hijacker looking at him suspiciously. Hahneman told Palazzo to go back to his seat. "And I said," Palazzo recalled, "I'm not interested in the lavatory, I am just looking." Hahneman reiterated: "I told you once again, go back to your seat." Palazzo, who described himself as a "pugnacious individual," shouted back at Hahneman, "For what?" Hahneman pulled out his .38 and rammed it into Palazzo's stomach. "That's the reason. Go back or I'll blow your brains out." Palazzo retreated.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3905 on: December 02, 2018, 08:37:46 PM »
I looked for "demonstration of photograph" memos with Sub HH marked in handwriting.
3 unique pages...around 12/5/72. the viewings were 11/20/72, 11/21/72 and 11/22/72
there were more than the one Flyjack posted above

attached.

While the witnesses seemed to note similarities, they seemed to say "Not Cooper" from my reading?

I forget: who is the witness that is saying Hahneman's photo looked like Cooper?
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3906 on: December 02, 2018, 09:25:42 PM »
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If he was Cooper he should of known to keep the hijacking between the crew and not involve the passengers as he did the first time. he also uses violence as well a firearm. not the same MO..

About 20 minutes into the flight, Hahneman decided to act. Pulling out his handgun, he informed the pilot, Captain W.L. Hendershott of Miami, and the rest of the crew that he was taking over the plane and wanted $303,000 from the airline. Not long afterward, the pilot came on the intercom and announced, "There is an armed man aboard."


Hahneman held the chief stewardess hostage at the back of the plane.

Stunned passengers quickly found that what was to be a 40-minute hop to Washington would be much more. Wrote Times reporter Amdur later: "From the moment the captain uttered those chilling words . . . I felt a sense of fear I had never known."

Amdur knew he was not alone in his feelings. The couple sitting next to him, John and Mary McDonald of Lansford, sought relief in prayer. Frank Valek, who was unaware of what had happened, got up to go the plane's rear restroom and found the hijacker and the stewardess in front of him. "After I asked him jokingly where the line began," Valek said later, "the man turned slowly around and jammed a gun into my midsection. He said, 'Don't try anything funny. Go back to your seat and sit down.' " After this encounter, Valek went to the restroom in the front of the plane. "I really had to go then," he said.

Robert Palazzo, the mayor of Columbia, N.J., got up to go to the magazine rack. He noticed the hijacker looking at him suspiciously. Hahneman told Palazzo to go back to his seat. "And I said," Palazzo recalled, "I'm not interested in the lavatory, I am just looking." Hahneman reiterated: "I told you once again, go back to your seat." Palazzo, who described himself as a "pugnacious individual," shouted back at Hahneman, "For what?" Hahneman pulled out his .38 and rammed it into Palazzo's stomach. "That's the reason. Go back or I'll blow your brains out." Palazzo retreated.

Different circumstances, brandished a gun because all the passengers knew there was a hijacking. We don't even know if Cooper had a gun. Airport security had changed slightly as well. But, other than the gun the MO I have seen in FBI docs is amazingly similar.. far more inclusive than exclusive.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3907 on: December 02, 2018, 09:31:58 PM »
Sure, he could of also had a bag of cocaine in his pocket....

My dad looked "amazingly similar" to Jackie Gleason?

The MO is not the same...

He pulled the gun out to announce they were being hijacked...
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3908 on: December 02, 2018, 09:34:46 PM »
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About 20 minutes into the flight, Hahneman decided to act. Pulling out his handgun

Goes from a note (Cooper) to the stew to pulling out a gun....
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3909 on: December 02, 2018, 09:44:11 PM »
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"What did you do with the money?"

"None of your bloody business," Hahneman replied.

That doesn't sound like Cooper either..
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3910 on: December 02, 2018, 09:44:34 PM »
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Sure, he could of also had a bag of cocaine in his pocket....

My dad looked "amazingly similar" to Jackie Gleason?

The MO is not the same...

He pulled the gun out to announce they were being hijacked...

So what, I have far more details than in the newspapers, it is a close match.

There are some differences but overall, a very close match to Cooper.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3911 on: December 02, 2018, 09:49:17 PM »
If you think the FBI just glanced over this guy your crazy. it's no different than others trying to say McCoy was Cooper...same old same old.
 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3912 on: December 02, 2018, 09:56:46 PM »
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Sure, he could of also had a bag of cocaine in his pocket....

My dad looked "amazingly similar" to Jackie Gleason?

The MO is not the same...

He pulled the gun out to announce they were being hijacked...

So what, I have far more details than in the newspapers, it is a close match.

There are some differences but overall, a very close match to Cooper.


It's a sketch, not a photo. even Flo has changed the sketch that looks more like LD than any other suspects. it's just a sketch.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3913 on: December 02, 2018, 09:57:02 PM »
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If you think the FBI just glanced over this guy your crazy. it's no different than others trying to say McCoy was Cooper...same old same old.

I assure you I am not crazy, but thanks for the concern.. no comparison to McCoy, but if you can tell me why the FBI eliminated Hahneman (if they did) that would be great.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3914 on: December 02, 2018, 09:57:40 PM »
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Sure, he could of also had a bag of cocaine in his pocket....

My dad looked "amazingly similar" to Jackie Gleason?

The MO is not the same...

He pulled the gun out to announce they were being hijacked...

So what, I have far more details than in the newspapers, it is a close match.

There are some differences but overall, a very close match to Cooper.


It's a sketch, not a photo. even Flo has changed the sketch that looks more like LD than any other suspects. it's just a sketch.

I am not talking about the sketch.