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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3825 on: December 01, 2018, 05:00:16 PM »
So looking at those pictures of Hahneman when he was caught, people are saying they resemble the cooper sketches?
 

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« Reply #3826 on: December 01, 2018, 05:05:37 PM »
Some notes on Hahneman I posted back at DZ.com
Funny how he mentioned "hanky panky"..reminiscent of Cooper's "funny stuff"

Some more background detail culled from more newspapers. (a little bit of repeat info)

Frederick William Hahneman born July 5, 1922. Honduran mother, Delia Pastore Ordonez. Late father William Frederick Hahneman of San Francisco. He was born in Puerto Castilla, Honduras, but he was a naturalized US citizen. Wife, Mary Jane Hahneman.

Evidently no tipster? apparently FBI used biographical info hijacker gave the crew in the 20 hour hijack, and a photograph.

Evidently turned himself in because rumor of dead or alive on reward, and he was afraid when FBI starting snooping around friends? Supposedly said "it was unjust that the United States put a price on my head without having been judged". Surrendered to US embassy with old childhood friend, Jose Gomez Rovelo, a Honduran engineer he supposedly went to for advice. Not clear when Hahneman moved to US as a kid.

Described by crew as very calm and thorough during the hijacking.

Composed during sentencing. The political motive claim may have been phony. Judge mentioned it during sentencing, and Hahneman interrupted and tried to stop him, but it may have been phony. Said he had given the money to Central American revolutionaries (lie? like the bank lie? money was eventually recovered by FBI).

Attended a junior college in Mississippi before he joined the Army in 1943.

Trained as radar operator and a flight crew member with "US Army Air Force" in WWII. I guess that is the correct name for it back in the 40's. Discharged as corporal in '46.

FBI said he traveled widely and had lived in a number of foreign countries. His last known employment was as an electronics specialist with Philco in Vietnam.

At one point in the hijacking, he allegedly told the crew that if there was any "hanky panky" he would fly the plane himself. The description of the DZ was that he jumped into "jungle". See prior post.

Pleaded guilty to air piracy in exchanged for dropping other counts. Sentenced to life, with parole possible after 15 years. Min sentence at the time for hijack was 20 years, max death. Apparently didn't give up the money location though, although it was later recovered.
On May 9, 1973 he was in federal penitentiary in Atlanta.

48 at the time of the hijack in May 6, 1972 (jump)

Was described by former employers as a "low level" technician who for years has moved from one job to another all over the world. Apparently was away from home for years at a time?

Son Frederick E., 21 in 1972, was a construction worker. 17 year old son John said he was home two weeks before the skyjacking. and was home the prior Christmas. Gave John fishing equipment from Far East.

Carisle Kaiser, 79, Mrs. Hahneman's father described Frederick as "a cocky fellow" who he didn't approve of. He said he threw Hahneman out of his house in Easton 17 years ago. (that would be '55). William Small, next door neighbor, said Haneman was "brilliant, well versed on technical things".

Small said he talked with him a great bit 8 years ago (that would be '64), found he didn't socialize much and didn't care to talk about "mundane" subjects, like baseball. Did talk about foreign trips..like to Cambodia, Honduras and Guatemala.

When the money was recovered (date in previous post), FBI wouldn't talk. "I am not at liberty to discuss the details of how or where the money was recovered" Alexander said. Although the Jacksonville FBI chief declined to answer a direct question, he indicated strongly the money was recovered some place in Florida.

more on witnesses in the LZ area.
Farmers in the area told government agents they saw a man sitting on the ground counting money before he disappeared into the countryside. Said the man's shoulder and hands were injured. They found harness and jumpsuit at that time. They thought the parachute may have been carried away by poor farmers. The man carried a back pack and a small suitcase and wiped sweat off his face with tissues. See prior post for the list of items he requested during the hijack. Agents said they found used tissues in the area.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3827 on: December 01, 2018, 05:09:02 PM »
Hahneman From Ebony magazine, Nov, 1972.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3828 on: December 01, 2018, 05:14:42 PM »
Some other Hahneman details

Wife was "blind". Two sons, 17 and 21.
He stayed away from the second floor apartment where his family lives for months, even years at a time.
(Easton PA).

Neighbors thought he must have had a diplomatic position. Wife never talked about husband. Neighbor drove her to bank to cash husband's paycheck which came in the mail.

William Small, a neighbor said:
"One time my wife and I talked to him I think he said he worked for Philco-Bendix. he talked about how he was putting rockets on helicopters"

Mrs Anna Gately said "We were under the impression that he must have had a very nice position. He was always well dressed"

They said he didn't have any friends there, and non one ever knew him. Neighbors always thought he was mysterious.

This is all interesting, because there's a number of these hijacks where the guys have families. While Himmelsbach's criminal profile fits for some hijacks, it doesn't fit for others. Some were "average", normal?

No details on any jumping background. Maybe he had none, like McNally?

 Had been trained as a radar operator and flight crew member with US Army Air Corps in World War II. Not sure about jumping background.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3829 on: December 01, 2018, 05:20:48 PM »
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So looking at those pictures of Hahneman when he was caught, people are saying they resemble the cooper sketches?

Norjak witnesses said the original Cooper sketch was poor. It was updated and the updated one is an excellent match for Hahenman.. The interesting thing about Hahneman is his weight varied greatly which made his face appear much fatter at times. Looks like a different person.

Norjak UNSUB prints were compared to UNSUB prints from EAL 175 before he was Id'd and there was no match. However, Hahneman wore gloves and Norjak prints are questionable.

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« Reply #3830 on: December 01, 2018, 05:28:06 PM »
hahneman is not wearing "wraparound" sunglasses in that photo?
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3831 on: December 01, 2018, 05:38:33 PM »
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Norjak witnesses said the original Cooper sketch was poor. It was updated and the updated one is an excellent match for Hahenman..


FBI files, Section 28, Page 165 states updated version no longer represents DBC and that original was better.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3832 on: December 01, 2018, 05:39:16 PM »
Frederic Hahneman report of birth to American Consular Service
Has details of parents and where he was born
Interesting how his dad had first/middle name transposed.
Born Puerto Cortes? So he jumped near where he was born?
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3833 on: December 01, 2018, 05:54:11 PM »
When he was 6, (in 1928) Frederic W Hahneman took a boat from Honduras to New Orleans.
Probably first time he arrived in USA

Name:   Frederic W Hahneman
Arrival date:   19 Jul 1928
Port of Arrival:   United States
Birth Date:   abt 1922
Birth Place:   Honduras, Puerto Castilla
Age:   6
Gender:   Male
Port of Departure:   Puerto Cortes, Honduras
Ship Name:   Hibueras
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3834 on: December 01, 2018, 05:55:57 PM »
I think he mustered for WWII, but can't find his draft card.

Here he took boat from Costa Rica to New Orleans, USA in 1941 when he was 19.
Not sure why he was in Costa Rica? Maybe with parents.

Name:   Frederick Hahneman
Arrival date:   15 Sep 1941
Port of Arrival:   United States
Birth Date:   abt 1922
Birth Place:   Honduras, Pto Castillo
Age:   19
Gender:   Male
Port of Departure:   Puerto Limon, Costa Rica
Ship Name:   Toloa
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3835 on: December 01, 2018, 06:47:20 PM »
Have found his first name written 3 ways
Frederic
Frederick
Frederich
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3836 on: December 01, 2018, 07:23:24 PM »
The brother
William H. Hahneman Jr.
was born Aug. 5, 1927 in Puerto Cortes, Honduras

He travelled here with mom and dad on a boat to New Orleans when he was 2 years old
in 1929

mom/dad birthdates and places also listed. Interestingly Frederick isn't adjacent on the this particular list.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3837 on: December 01, 2018, 07:30:40 PM »
at age 34, in 1962, William Hahneman flew to New Jersey
Immmigration stamped the arrival card (attached) so likely from Honduras.
Had address in USA for RCA Service Co / BMEWS  in Beverton,NJ. Maybe he worked for that company?

The airline was Mats ...Military Air Transport Service ???

He says "no permanent address" ..apparently in US. "see above" relating to US address


Name:   William H Hahneman
Age:   34
Nationality:   USA
Birth Date:   5 Aug 1927
Birth Place:   Puerto Cortez, Honduras
Arrival date:   19 Mar 1962
Port of Arrival:   Newark, New Jersey, USA
Airline:   Mats
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3838 on: December 01, 2018, 07:33:51 PM »
So William H. Hahneman Jr would have been 44 at the time of Flight 305.

Interesting, I guess.

Interesting that he worked in some kind of tech also? The RCA info is interesting.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3839 on: December 01, 2018, 07:35:19 PM »
Look at this arrival card again. He arrived in Newark NJ (the above post)

but he got on the plane in Thule, Greenland

strange. Probably part of the RCA work
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