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« Reply #3615 on: November 01, 2018, 11:09:32 AM »
I found where Blevins got that front cover taped to a window and photographed

it's on Sheridan's facebook profile here
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So I believe, the front cover image I posted, is the only original...i.e. only Sheridan and I had that original.

Of course, you crazy people out there, should take this as confirmation of something weird.
 

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« Reply #3616 on: November 01, 2018, 11:19:23 AM »
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Knowledge, alibi, DNA, experience, physical characteristics...a lot of stuff points to Sheridan.

Okay, if you don't mind expanding just a bit:

Knowledge - What knowledge? How to jump out of a plane into forest? Got it. How to jump out of a 727? Speculative, no?
Alibi - have you punched holes in one? Is there a lie you are able to prove pertaining to one? So far I have only heard that he was abroad for a few years.
DNA - that the FBI didn't clear him based on it? A DNA match would have led to an arrest. The DNA they have (epithelial, from the tie clasp) is dubious at best. But they also have hair. Take a look at this article from just a few months after Case Closed:
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They can now isolate and identify the proteins in an individual's hair, and match them against the genes that would code for those proteins. They already have the means and the knowledge to close the case if it's Peterson. And to stop inquiries from nuts like us.
Experience - not experience committing crimes. See "Knowledge" above.

Physical characteristics - bald with blue eyes. You need to place colored contact lenses on him in 1971 or get Schaffner to retract a 50 year old statement about piercing brown eyes. Then you need to get all of the witnesses to give opinions about hairpieces and whether or not Cooper could have been wearing one. Height and age seem to be all you've got.

I personally would like to eliminate as many potential suspects as possible. I would start with Rackstraw and Dayton, who would probably be the easiest to eliminate. Does that mean, since I am investigating them, that I consider them strong suspects? No. It means I am using a process of elimination. The FBI asking for Peterson's DNA is only significant in that they had such little evidence on the guy that they needed his DNA in order to do so. You want them to clear him, your best shot is this book of yours. Because the only thing that got them to clear the other two was public pressure, which translates to "Jesus, I can't get any real work done with all of these phone calls and letters coming in about LD Cooper. Can we just get these assholes off my back already?"

These are great probing questions, all of which I can answer.

1) KNOWLEDGE: This is no small matter. Cooper demonstrated he knew a lot about the 727 including the following: it had a unique 15 degree flap setting, where the oxygen bottles were located, that it takes about 20 minutes to refuel, and very importantly, the the aftstairs could be deployed in flight (no squat switch) or take-off with them down and that the jet could actually fly with them deployed (no flight control problems). I have unaware of a single pilot from that time frame who knew that the airstairs could be deployed during flight. In fact, the pilots of 305 and Northwest Flight Ops in Minneapolis weren't aware that the jet could fly as Cooper demanded, yet DB Cooper did. Unless, of course, he just guessed and happened to guess correctly.

The above, plus the tie particle evidence discovered by the Cooper Research Team in 2008 and 2017 strongly suggests DBC was either a Boeing employee or someone very close to Boeing with access to certain data about the 727 that was not easy to come by and in some cases restricted.

Skydiving is also a critical component. Just leaping out of the jet at night, 10,000 feet up take some stones. Not getting killed takes skill. Also, he knew how to don and use the parachute. In fact, when offered an instruction card he turned it down. This strongly suggests that DB Cooper knew what he was doing. Unless, of course, he just guessed and happened to guess correctly.

Sheridan Peterson meets the criteria established above. The universe of people who meet this criteria is going to be limited.

2) ALIBI: The fact the the event took place the day before Thanksgiving is a blessing. Most people celebrate Thanksgiving with other people which went along way toward helping the FBI establish alibis for suspects.

Sheridan Peterson was not just overseas...for example in London where establishing his whereabouts would be relatively easy...he was in Nepal. According to him, living in a mud hut (which is an overstatement). The problem is that the FBI has not been able to verify where he was, not even what part of the world he was in, during the hijacking. Sheridan says he was in Nepal but can't prove it, in part because he wasn't employed for the 2 1/2 years he lived there.

The problem for Sheridan is that he says he was in Nepal for the entire 2 1/2 years...didn't leave the country. Well, he did not show his passport to the FBI for one. Also, the fact that he claims to have lived off the proceeds of a numbered bank account based in Singapore that he established in 1971 is very problematic. If this is true (and there is no reason to think that the essence of the story isn't true) it blows his alibi because he would have had to travel out of Nepal to open the account in 1971. Plus, given the requirements associated with numbered accounts one must ask where he came up with the money to open the account in the first place. Of course, were not even addressing the other obvious question: Why would you need to open an account that is numbered, secret, confidential and hidden from the authorities to begin with?

3) DNA: The Cooper DNA is partial and was not derived from epithelial skin cells. Rather, it was derived from a saliva sample on the tie. To be sure, the FBI lost the eight cigarette butts and I have no idea what happened to the two hair samples they collected. Nonetheless, they have established a partial DNA (I'm not certain how strong...I've asked to no avail) and have felt it important enough to compare three suspects. Two of those suspects, Weber and LD, arguably were tested, in part, because of intense pressure. Notably, these two suspects have been publicly cleared by the FBI by virtue of their DNA.

The third suspect to have a DNA comparison, and the only one that the FBI actually sought was Sheridan Peterson. Additionally, he has not been publicly cleared by the FBI by virtue of his DNA or for any other reason. I have tried multiple times to get some straight answers regarding this but have been rebuffed each time.

4) EXPERIENCED CRIMINAL: When I established my profile for DB Cooper it involved someone who was not a criminal with a record. Rather, DBC struck me as someone pushed to the limit personally who was looking for a creative way to get out of a bind. Also, the fact that DBC has never been caught tells me two things: First, he didn't try it again. Two, he didn't talk about it. Frankly, career criminals aren't that smart.

5) PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS: Arguably the first FBI sketch is remarkably close in appearance to Sheridan Peterson. Moreover, he fits the basic metrics; 6'1", black hair, high forehead, mid-40s, fit, no discernible accent. The FBI is not certain whether DBC had blue eyes. After all, their description says "possibly brown" for an eye color. Also, this is based off of a very brief encounter at the beginning of the flight when there was nothing unusual going on. Florence also told the sketch artist that she could not be certain about certain aspects of his eyes. Considering this encounter took place in a jet cabin with limited lighting any ascribed eye color is dubious.

The thin hair is not a terribly big issue. Sheridan Peterson was not bald. We have plenty of picture showing he has hair on his head, albeit thin. But considering he may not have had a close hair cut recently, his hair would be consistent with some of the descriptions given by witnesses, which, frankly have been quite diverse.

Of course, there are many other things that point to Sheridan, including the words of his ex-wife if they can be verified. To reiterate, the FBI itself has been very intrigued with the man for decades and is still unwilling to discuss anything related to Sheridan.

Very weak circumstantial...

The early Cooper sketch did not resemble Cooper per witnesses that is why it was updated. The final sketch was the "consensus". << that was Cooper.

SP looks nothing like the final sketch.
 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3617 on: November 01, 2018, 11:42:11 AM »
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Again, Mitchell said it was his left hand when the case with resting upon Cooper's lap. There should be no bias in this position therefore meaning the dominant hand is the one in the case.

This is why I'd really like to see original FBI photos of the tie as it was found with the tie clip attached.

Yes, Mitchell did, he also said he had a drink.. he could have switched hands to use his right for drinking or smoking. That doesn't indicate he is left handed.

Carrying the case on its side with the left going to the lav is more indicative.. He would need to use his right.

Are you seriously trying to convince me that Cooper was showing off the bomb with a bourbon in his hand?

No, that is a strawman..

Mitchell never said he was showing off the bomb with his left hand in the case. 302's can be very misleading..

"the subject had a sack and a briefcase which he kept putting his left hand in and out of"

If Cooper was using his right had for something like smoking or drinking, he would switch and use the left for the sack and briefcase. << that doesn't prove he is left handed..

Carrying the case on its side with the left to lav indicates right handed... to keep the dominant hand free to use.

Mitchell says nothing about DBC smoking or drinking while he puts his left hand in the attache case. You cannot just assume that. You have to assume that DBC had nothing in his hands unless Mitchell said otherwise. Obviously the reason this was noted was an attempt to ascertain whether DBC was right or left handed. How would leaving out a critical part of the equation help in that regard?
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3618 on: November 01, 2018, 11:44:33 AM »
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Knowledge, alibi, DNA, experience, physical characteristics...a lot of stuff points to Sheridan.

Okay, if you don't mind expanding just a bit:

Knowledge - What knowledge? How to jump out of a plane into forest? Got it. How to jump out of a 727? Speculative, no?
Alibi - have you punched holes in one? Is there a lie you are able to prove pertaining to one? So far I have only heard that he was abroad for a few years.
DNA - that the FBI didn't clear him based on it? A DNA match would have led to an arrest. The DNA they have (epithelial, from the tie clasp) is dubious at best. But they also have hair. Take a look at this article from just a few months after Case Closed:
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They can now isolate and identify the proteins in an individual's hair, and match them against the genes that would code for those proteins. They already have the means and the knowledge to close the case if it's Peterson. And to stop inquiries from nuts like us.
Experience - not experience committing crimes. See "Knowledge" above.

Physical characteristics - bald with blue eyes. You need to place colored contact lenses on him in 1971 or get Schaffner to retract a 50 year old statement about piercing brown eyes. Then you need to get all of the witnesses to give opinions about hairpieces and whether or not Cooper could have been wearing one. Height and age seem to be all you've got.

I personally would like to eliminate as many potential suspects as possible. I would start with Rackstraw and Dayton, who would probably be the easiest to eliminate. Does that mean, since I am investigating them, that I consider them strong suspects? No. It means I am using a process of elimination. The FBI asking for Peterson's DNA is only significant in that they had such little evidence on the guy that they needed his DNA in order to do so. You want them to clear him, your best shot is this book of yours. Because the only thing that got them to clear the other two was public pressure, which translates to "Jesus, I can't get any real work done with all of these phone calls and letters coming in about LD Cooper. Can we just get these assholes off my back already?"

These are great probing questions, all of which I can answer.

1) KNOWLEDGE: This is no small matter. Cooper demonstrated he knew a lot about the 727 including the following: it had a unique 15 degree flap setting, where the oxygen bottles were located, that it takes about 20 minutes to refuel, and very importantly, the the aftstairs could be deployed in flight (no squat switch) or take-off with them down and that the jet could actually fly with them deployed (no flight control problems). I have unaware of a single pilot from that time frame who knew that the airstairs could be deployed during flight. In fact, the pilots of 305 and Northwest Flight Ops in Minneapolis weren't aware that the jet could fly as Cooper demanded, yet DB Cooper did. Unless, of course, he just guessed and happened to guess correctly.

The above, plus the tie particle evidence discovered by the Cooper Research Team in 2008 and 2017 strongly suggests DBC was either a Boeing employee or someone very close to Boeing with access to certain data about the 727 that was not easy to come by and in some cases restricted.

Skydiving is also a critical component. Just leaping out of the jet at night, 10,000 feet up take some stones. Not getting killed takes skill. Also, he knew how to don and use the parachute. In fact, when offered an instruction card he turned it down. This strongly suggests that DB Cooper knew what he was doing. Unless, of course, he just guessed and happened to guess correctly.

Sheridan Peterson meets the criteria established above. The universe of people who meet this criteria is going to be limited.

2) ALIBI: The fact the the event took place the day before Thanksgiving is a blessing. Most people celebrate Thanksgiving with other people which went along way toward helping the FBI establish alibis for suspects.

Sheridan Peterson was not just overseas...for example in London where establishing his whereabouts would be relatively easy...he was in Nepal. According to him, living in a mud hut (which is an overstatement). The problem is that the FBI has not been able to verify where he was, not even what part of the world he was in, during the hijacking. Sheridan says he was in Nepal but can't prove it, in part because he wasn't employed for the 2 1/2 years he lived there.

The problem for Sheridan is that he says he was in Nepal for the entire 2 1/2 years...didn't leave the country. Well, he did not show his passport to the FBI for one. Also, the fact that he claims to have lived off the proceeds of a numbered bank account based in Singapore that he established in 1971 is very problematic. If this is true (and there is no reason to think that the essence of the story isn't true) it blows his alibi because he would have had to travel out of Nepal to open the account in 1971. Plus, given the requirements associated with numbered accounts one must ask where he came up with the money to open the account in the first place. Of course, were not even addressing the other obvious question: Why would you need to open an account that is numbered, secret, confidential and hidden from the authorities to begin with?

3) DNA: The Cooper DNA is partial and was not derived from epithelial skin cells. Rather, it was derived from a saliva sample on the tie. To be sure, the FBI lost the eight cigarette butts and I have no idea what happened to the two hair samples they collected. Nonetheless, they have established a partial DNA (I'm not certain how strong...I've asked to no avail) and have felt it important enough to compare three suspects. Two of those suspects, Weber and LD, arguably were tested, in part, because of intense pressure. Notably, these two suspects have been publicly cleared by the FBI by virtue of their DNA.

The third suspect to have a DNA comparison, and the only one that the FBI actually sought was Sheridan Peterson. Additionally, he has not been publicly cleared by the FBI by virtue of his DNA or for any other reason. I have tried multiple times to get some straight answers regarding this but have been rebuffed each time.

4) EXPERIENCED CRIMINAL: When I established my profile for DB Cooper it involved someone who was not a criminal with a record. Rather, DBC struck me as someone pushed to the limit personally who was looking for a creative way to get out of a bind. Also, the fact that DBC has never been caught tells me two things: First, he didn't try it again. Two, he didn't talk about it. Frankly, career criminals aren't that smart.

5) PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS: Arguably the first FBI sketch is remarkably close in appearance to Sheridan Peterson. Moreover, he fits the basic metrics; 6'1", black hair, high forehead, mid-40s, fit, no discernible accent. The FBI is not certain whether DBC had blue eyes. After all, their description says "possibly brown" for an eye color. Also, this is based off of a very brief encounter at the beginning of the flight when there was nothing unusual going on. Florence also told the sketch artist that she could not be certain about certain aspects of his eyes. Considering this encounter took place in a jet cabin with limited lighting any ascribed eye color is dubious.

The thin hair is not a terribly big issue. Sheridan Peterson was not bald. We have plenty of picture showing he has hair on his head, albeit thin. But considering he may not have had a close hair cut recently, his hair would be consistent with some of the descriptions given by witnesses, which, frankly have been quite diverse.

Of course, there are many other things that point to Sheridan, including the words of his ex-wife if they can be verified. To reiterate, the FBI itself has been very intrigued with the man for decades and is still unwilling to discuss anything related to Sheridan.

Very weak circumstantial...

The early Cooper sketch did not resemble Cooper per witnesses that is why it was updated. The final sketch was the "consensus". << that was Cooper.

SP looks nothing like the final sketch.

I must say a blanket statement of "very weak circumstantial" is very weak in and of itself.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3619 on: November 01, 2018, 11:56:30 AM »
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Again, Mitchell said it was his left hand when the case with resting upon Cooper's lap. There should be no bias in this position therefore meaning the dominant hand is the one in the case.

This is why I'd really like to see original FBI photos of the tie as it was found with the tie clip attached.

Yes, Mitchell did, he also said he had a drink.. he could have switched hands to use his right for drinking or smoking. That doesn't indicate he is left handed.

Carrying the case on its side with the left going to the lav is more indicative.. He would need to use his right.

Are you seriously trying to convince me that Cooper was showing off the bomb with a bourbon in his hand?

No, that is a strawman..

Mitchell never said he was showing off the bomb with his left hand in the case. 302's can be very misleading..

"the subject had a sack and a briefcase which he kept putting his left hand in and out of"

If Cooper was using his right had for something like smoking or drinking, he would switch and use the left for the sack and briefcase. << that doesn't prove he is left handed..

Carrying the case on its side with the left to lav indicates right handed... to keep the dominant hand free to use.

Mitchell says nothing about DBC smoking or drinking while he puts his left hand in the attache case. You cannot just assume that. You have to assume that DBC had nothing in his hands unless Mitchell said otherwise. Obviously the reason this was noted was an attempt to ascertain whether DBC was right or left handed. How would leaving out a critical part of the equation help in that regard?

I am not assuming anything, you are.. I am only pointing out that there are flaws in assuming Cooper is left handed from the Mitchell 302.

He described Cooper drinking...

Cooper had at least 8 cigs, they take 7-11 minutes to smoke..

"the hostess ________ recalled the subject smoked almost incessantly"

If Cooper used his right for anything, drinking, smoking or reading a magazine he would have his left near the bomb.

Carrying the case on its side to the lav with the left hand is stronger indication that he is right handed.
 

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Knowledge, alibi, DNA, experience, physical characteristics...a lot of stuff points to Sheridan.

Okay, if you don't mind expanding just a bit:

Knowledge - What knowledge? How to jump out of a plane into forest? Got it. How to jump out of a 727? Speculative, no?
Alibi - have you punched holes in one? Is there a lie you are able to prove pertaining to one? So far I have only heard that he was abroad for a few years.
DNA - that the FBI didn't clear him based on it? A DNA match would have led to an arrest. The DNA they have (epithelial, from the tie clasp) is dubious at best. But they also have hair. Take a look at this article from just a few months after Case Closed:
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They can now isolate and identify the proteins in an individual's hair, and match them against the genes that would code for those proteins. They already have the means and the knowledge to close the case if it's Peterson. And to stop inquiries from nuts like us.
Experience - not experience committing crimes. See "Knowledge" above.

Physical characteristics - bald with blue eyes. You need to place colored contact lenses on him in 1971 or get Schaffner to retract a 50 year old statement about piercing brown eyes. Then you need to get all of the witnesses to give opinions about hairpieces and whether or not Cooper could have been wearing one. Height and age seem to be all you've got.

I personally would like to eliminate as many potential suspects as possible. I would start with Rackstraw and Dayton, who would probably be the easiest to eliminate. Does that mean, since I am investigating them, that I consider them strong suspects? No. It means I am using a process of elimination. The FBI asking for Peterson's DNA is only significant in that they had such little evidence on the guy that they needed his DNA in order to do so. You want them to clear him, your best shot is this book of yours. Because the only thing that got them to clear the other two was public pressure, which translates to "Jesus, I can't get any real work done with all of these phone calls and letters coming in about LD Cooper. Can we just get these assholes off my back already?"

These are great probing questions, all of which I can answer.

1) KNOWLEDGE: This is no small matter. Cooper demonstrated he knew a lot about the 727 including the following: it had a unique 15 degree flap setting, where the oxygen bottles were located, that it takes about 20 minutes to refuel, and very importantly, the the aftstairs could be deployed in flight (no squat switch) or take-off with them down and that the jet could actually fly with them deployed (no flight control problems). I have unaware of a single pilot from that time frame who knew that the airstairs could be deployed during flight. In fact, the pilots of 305 and Northwest Flight Ops in Minneapolis weren't aware that the jet could fly as Cooper demanded, yet DB Cooper did. Unless, of course, he just guessed and happened to guess correctly.

The above, plus the tie particle evidence discovered by the Cooper Research Team in 2008 and 2017 strongly suggests DBC was either a Boeing employee or someone very close to Boeing with access to certain data about the 727 that was not easy to come by and in some cases restricted.

Skydiving is also a critical component. Just leaping out of the jet at night, 10,000 feet up take some stones. Not getting killed takes skill. Also, he knew how to don and use the parachute. In fact, when offered an instruction card he turned it down. This strongly suggests that DB Cooper knew what he was doing. Unless, of course, he just guessed and happened to guess correctly.

Sheridan Peterson meets the criteria established above. The universe of people who meet this criteria is going to be limited.

2) ALIBI: The fact the the event took place the day before Thanksgiving is a blessing. Most people celebrate Thanksgiving with other people which went along way toward helping the FBI establish alibis for suspects.

Sheridan Peterson was not just overseas...for example in London where establishing his whereabouts would be relatively easy...he was in Nepal. According to him, living in a mud hut (which is an overstatement). The problem is that the FBI has not been able to verify where he was, not even what part of the world he was in, during the hijacking. Sheridan says he was in Nepal but can't prove it, in part because he wasn't employed for the 2 1/2 years he lived there.

The problem for Sheridan is that he says he was in Nepal for the entire 2 1/2 years...didn't leave the country. Well, he did not show his passport to the FBI for one. Also, the fact that he claims to have lived off the proceeds of a numbered bank account based in Singapore that he established in 1971 is very problematic. If this is true (and there is no reason to think that the essence of the story isn't true) it blows his alibi because he would have had to travel out of Nepal to open the account in 1971. Plus, given the requirements associated with numbered accounts one must ask where he came up with the money to open the account in the first place. Of course, were not even addressing the other obvious question: Why would you need to open an account that is numbered, secret, confidential and hidden from the authorities to begin with?

3) DNA: The Cooper DNA is partial and was not derived from epithelial skin cells. Rather, it was derived from a saliva sample on the tie. To be sure, the FBI lost the eight cigarette butts and I have no idea what happened to the two hair samples they collected. Nonetheless, they have established a partial DNA (I'm not certain how strong...I've asked to no avail) and have felt it important enough to compare three suspects. Two of those suspects, Weber and LD, arguably were tested, in part, because of intense pressure. Notably, these two suspects have been publicly cleared by the FBI by virtue of their DNA.

The third suspect to have a DNA comparison, and the only one that the FBI actually sought was Sheridan Peterson. Additionally, he has not been publicly cleared by the FBI by virtue of his DNA or for any other reason. I have tried multiple times to get some straight answers regarding this but have been rebuffed each time.

4) EXPERIENCED CRIMINAL: When I established my profile for DB Cooper it involved someone who was not a criminal with a record. Rather, DBC struck me as someone pushed to the limit personally who was looking for a creative way to get out of a bind. Also, the fact that DBC has never been caught tells me two things: First, he didn't try it again. Two, he didn't talk about it. Frankly, career criminals aren't that smart.

5) PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS: Arguably the first FBI sketch is remarkably close in appearance to Sheridan Peterson. Moreover, he fits the basic metrics; 6'1", black hair, high forehead, mid-40s, fit, no discernible accent. The FBI is not certain whether DBC had blue eyes. After all, their description says "possibly brown" for an eye color. Also, this is based off of a very brief encounter at the beginning of the flight when there was nothing unusual going on. Florence also told the sketch artist that she could not be certain about certain aspects of his eyes. Considering this encounter took place in a jet cabin with limited lighting any ascribed eye color is dubious.

The thin hair is not a terribly big issue. Sheridan Peterson was not bald. We have plenty of picture showing he has hair on his head, albeit thin. But considering he may not have had a close hair cut recently, his hair would be consistent with some of the descriptions given by witnesses, which, frankly have been quite diverse.

Of course, there are many other things that point to Sheridan, including the words of his ex-wife if they can be verified. To reiterate, the FBI itself has been very intrigued with the man for decades and is still unwilling to discuss anything related to Sheridan.

Very weak circumstantial...

The early Cooper sketch did not resemble Cooper per witnesses that is why it was updated. The final sketch was the "consensus". << that was Cooper.

SP looks nothing like the final sketch.

I must say a blanket statement of "very weak circumstantial" is very weak in and of itself.

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1) KNOWLEDGE, that narrows it down to maybe 10's of thousands of people. You don't even know if he had that specific 727 knowledge. (Cooper did not initially ask for rear stairs down on takeoff, it came up when the pilots tried to get Tina off the plane so they could escape)

2) ALIBI, absence of evidence is not evidence.

3) DNA, you don't know the FBI's motivations.

4) EXPERIENCED CRIMINAL, opinion, generalizations, may or may not be true, is irrelevant.

5) PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS, poor match. Almost exculpatory.


What is there, SP is an interesting guy with the jump skills who worked at Boeing. Can't prove it was not him but same can be said for 10's of thousands.. Most of the "evidence" is opinion and hearsay.

The pieces are circumstantially weak. Very weak. Perhaps better than most suspects but weak nonetheless.
 

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Again, Mitchell said it was his left hand when the case with resting upon Cooper's lap. There should be no bias in this position therefore meaning the dominant hand is the one in the case.

This is why I'd really like to see original FBI photos of the tie as it was found with the tie clip attached.

Yes, Mitchell did, he also said he had a drink.. he could have switched hands to use his right for drinking or smoking. That doesn't indicate he is left handed.

Carrying the case on its side with the left going to the lav is more indicative.. He would need to use his right.

Are you seriously trying to convince me that Cooper was showing off the bomb with a bourbon in his hand?

No, that is a strawman..

Mitchell never said he was showing off the bomb with his left hand in the case. 302's can be very misleading..

"the subject had a sack and a briefcase which he kept putting his left hand in and out of"

If Cooper was using his right had for something like smoking or drinking, he would switch and use the left for the sack and briefcase. << that doesn't prove he is left handed..

Carrying the case on its side with the left to lav indicates right handed... to keep the dominant hand free to use.

Mitchell says nothing about DBC smoking or drinking while he puts his left hand in the attache case. You cannot just assume that. You have to assume that DBC had nothing in his hands unless Mitchell said otherwise. Obviously the reason this was noted was an attempt to ascertain whether DBC was right or left handed. How would leaving out a critical part of the equation help in that regard?

I am not assuming anything, you are.. I am only pointing out that there are flaws in assuming Cooper is left handed from the Mitchell 302.

He described Cooper drinking...

Cooper had at least 8 cigs, they take 7-11 minutes to smoke..

"the hostess ________ recalled the subject smoked almost incessantly"

If Cooper used his right for anything, drinking, smoking or reading a magazine he would have his left near the bomb.

Carrying the case on its side to the lav with the left hand is stronger indication that he is right handed.

When Bill Mitchell attests to the left hand going in-and-out of the attache case as it's sitting upon his lap and YOU (not Mitchell) add the drink component to the story that is an assumption that YOU have made. I have not made an assumption. I am merely repeating PRECISELY what Mitchell said.

Also, how do you respond to Snow's comment about the hand he'd use carrying the attache case? Snow's testimony alone PROVES that you are making a second assumption. YOU'RE assuming that DBC would respond differently than Snow.

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Knowledge, alibi, DNA, experience, physical characteristics...a lot of stuff points to Sheridan.

Okay, if you don't mind expanding just a bit:

Knowledge - What knowledge? How to jump out of a plane into forest? Got it. How to jump out of a 727? Speculative, no?
Alibi - have you punched holes in one? Is there a lie you are able to prove pertaining to one? So far I have only heard that he was abroad for a few years.
DNA - that the FBI didn't clear him based on it? A DNA match would have led to an arrest. The DNA they have (epithelial, from the tie clasp) is dubious at best. But they also have hair. Take a look at this article from just a few months after Case Closed:
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They can now isolate and identify the proteins in an individual's hair, and match them against the genes that would code for those proteins. They already have the means and the knowledge to close the case if it's Peterson. And to stop inquiries from nuts like us.
Experience - not experience committing crimes. See "Knowledge" above.

Physical characteristics - bald with blue eyes. You need to place colored contact lenses on him in 1971 or get Schaffner to retract a 50 year old statement about piercing brown eyes. Then you need to get all of the witnesses to give opinions about hairpieces and whether or not Cooper could have been wearing one. Height and age seem to be all you've got.

I personally would like to eliminate as many potential suspects as possible. I would start with Rackstraw and Dayton, who would probably be the easiest to eliminate. Does that mean, since I am investigating them, that I consider them strong suspects? No. It means I am using a process of elimination. The FBI asking for Peterson's DNA is only significant in that they had such little evidence on the guy that they needed his DNA in order to do so. You want them to clear him, your best shot is this book of yours. Because the only thing that got them to clear the other two was public pressure, which translates to "Jesus, I can't get any real work done with all of these phone calls and letters coming in about LD Cooper. Can we just get these assholes off my back already?"

These are great probing questions, all of which I can answer.

1) KNOWLEDGE: This is no small matter. Cooper demonstrated he knew a lot about the 727 including the following: it had a unique 15 degree flap setting, where the oxygen bottles were located, that it takes about 20 minutes to refuel, and very importantly, the the aftstairs could be deployed in flight (no squat switch) or take-off with them down and that the jet could actually fly with them deployed (no flight control problems). I have unaware of a single pilot from that time frame who knew that the airstairs could be deployed during flight. In fact, the pilots of 305 and Northwest Flight Ops in Minneapolis weren't aware that the jet could fly as Cooper demanded, yet DB Cooper did. Unless, of course, he just guessed and happened to guess correctly.

The above, plus the tie particle evidence discovered by the Cooper Research Team in 2008 and 2017 strongly suggests DBC was either a Boeing employee or someone very close to Boeing with access to certain data about the 727 that was not easy to come by and in some cases restricted.

Skydiving is also a critical component. Just leaping out of the jet at night, 10,000 feet up take some stones. Not getting killed takes skill. Also, he knew how to don and use the parachute. In fact, when offered an instruction card he turned it down. This strongly suggests that DB Cooper knew what he was doing. Unless, of course, he just guessed and happened to guess correctly.

Sheridan Peterson meets the criteria established above. The universe of people who meet this criteria is going to be limited.

2) ALIBI: The fact the the event took place the day before Thanksgiving is a blessing. Most people celebrate Thanksgiving with other people which went along way toward helping the FBI establish alibis for suspects.

Sheridan Peterson was not just overseas...for example in London where establishing his whereabouts would be relatively easy...he was in Nepal. According to him, living in a mud hut (which is an overstatement). The problem is that the FBI has not been able to verify where he was, not even what part of the world he was in, during the hijacking. Sheridan says he was in Nepal but can't prove it, in part because he wasn't employed for the 2 1/2 years he lived there.

The problem for Sheridan is that he says he was in Nepal for the entire 2 1/2 years...didn't leave the country. Well, he did not show his passport to the FBI for one. Also, the fact that he claims to have lived off the proceeds of a numbered bank account based in Singapore that he established in 1971 is very problematic. If this is true (and there is no reason to think that the essence of the story isn't true) it blows his alibi because he would have had to travel out of Nepal to open the account in 1971. Plus, given the requirements associated with numbered accounts one must ask where he came up with the money to open the account in the first place. Of course, were not even addressing the other obvious question: Why would you need to open an account that is numbered, secret, confidential and hidden from the authorities to begin with?

3) DNA: The Cooper DNA is partial and was not derived from epithelial skin cells. Rather, it was derived from a saliva sample on the tie. To be sure, the FBI lost the eight cigarette butts and I have no idea what happened to the two hair samples they collected. Nonetheless, they have established a partial DNA (I'm not certain how strong...I've asked to no avail) and have felt it important enough to compare three suspects. Two of those suspects, Weber and LD, arguably were tested, in part, because of intense pressure. Notably, these two suspects have been publicly cleared by the FBI by virtue of their DNA.

The third suspect to have a DNA comparison, and the only one that the FBI actually sought was Sheridan Peterson. Additionally, he has not been publicly cleared by the FBI by virtue of his DNA or for any other reason. I have tried multiple times to get some straight answers regarding this but have been rebuffed each time.

4) EXPERIENCED CRIMINAL: When I established my profile for DB Cooper it involved someone who was not a criminal with a record. Rather, DBC struck me as someone pushed to the limit personally who was looking for a creative way to get out of a bind. Also, the fact that DBC has never been caught tells me two things: First, he didn't try it again. Two, he didn't talk about it. Frankly, career criminals aren't that smart.

5) PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS: Arguably the first FBI sketch is remarkably close in appearance to Sheridan Peterson. Moreover, he fits the basic metrics; 6'1", black hair, high forehead, mid-40s, fit, no discernible accent. The FBI is not certain whether DBC had blue eyes. After all, their description says "possibly brown" for an eye color. Also, this is based off of a very brief encounter at the beginning of the flight when there was nothing unusual going on. Florence also told the sketch artist that she could not be certain about certain aspects of his eyes. Considering this encounter took place in a jet cabin with limited lighting any ascribed eye color is dubious.

The thin hair is not a terribly big issue. Sheridan Peterson was not bald. We have plenty of picture showing he has hair on his head, albeit thin. But considering he may not have had a close hair cut recently, his hair would be consistent with some of the descriptions given by witnesses, which, frankly have been quite diverse.

Of course, there are many other things that point to Sheridan, including the words of his ex-wife if they can be verified. To reiterate, the FBI itself has been very intrigued with the man for decades and is still unwilling to discuss anything related to Sheridan.

Very weak circumstantial...

The early Cooper sketch did not resemble Cooper per witnesses that is why it was updated. The final sketch was the "consensus". << that was Cooper.

SP looks nothing like the final sketch.

I must say a blanket statement of "very weak circumstantial" is very weak in and of itself.

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1) KNOWLEDGE, that narrows it down to maybe 10's of thousands of people. You don't even know if he had that specific 727 knowledge. (Cooper did not initially ask for rear stairs down on takeoff, it came up when the pilots tried to get Tina off the plane so they could escape)

2) ALIBI, absence of evidence is not evidence.

3) DNA, you don't know the FBI's motivations.

4) EXPERIENCED CRIMINAL, opinion, generalizations, may or may not be true, is irrelevant.

5) PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS, poor match. Almost exculpatory.


What is there, SP is an interesting guy with the jump skills who worked at Boeing. Can't prove it was not him but same can be said for 10's of thousands.. Most of the "evidence" is opinion and hearsay.

The pieces are circumstantially weak. Very weak. Perhaps better than most suspects but weak nonetheless.

The FBI also thinks Sheridan Peterson is a very strong suspect.

Does the FBI make a habit of investigation suspects in Nepal and taking DNA samples from suspects 32 years after the fact from suspects they consider "very weak?"

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3623 on: November 01, 2018, 12:34:14 PM »
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Again, Mitchell said it was his left hand when the case with resting upon Cooper's lap. There should be no bias in this position therefore meaning the dominant hand is the one in the case.

This is why I'd really like to see original FBI photos of the tie as it was found with the tie clip attached.

Yes, Mitchell did, he also said he had a drink.. he could have switched hands to use his right for drinking or smoking. That doesn't indicate he is left handed.

Carrying the case on its side with the left going to the lav is more indicative.. He would need to use his right.

Are you seriously trying to convince me that Cooper was showing off the bomb with a bourbon in his hand?

No, that is a strawman..

Mitchell never said he was showing off the bomb with his left hand in the case. 302's can be very misleading..

"the subject had a sack and a briefcase which he kept putting his left hand in and out of"

If Cooper was using his right had for something like smoking or drinking, he would switch and use the left for the sack and briefcase. << that doesn't prove he is left handed..

Carrying the case on its side with the left to lav indicates right handed... to keep the dominant hand free to use.

Mitchell says nothing about DBC smoking or drinking while he puts his left hand in the attache case. You cannot just assume that. You have to assume that DBC had nothing in his hands unless Mitchell said otherwise. Obviously the reason this was noted was an attempt to ascertain whether DBC was right or left handed. How would leaving out a critical part of the equation help in that regard?

I am not assuming anything, you are.. I am only pointing out that there are flaws in assuming Cooper is left handed from the Mitchell 302.

He described Cooper drinking...

Cooper had at least 8 cigs, they take 7-11 minutes to smoke..

"the hostess ________ recalled the subject smoked almost incessantly"

If Cooper used his right for anything, drinking, smoking or reading a magazine he would have his left near the bomb.

Carrying the case on its side to the lav with the left hand is stronger indication that he is right handed.

When Bill Mitchell attests to the left hand going in-and-out of the attache case as it's sitting upon his lap and YOU (not Mitchell) add the drink component to the story that is an assumption that YOU have made. I have not made an assumption. I am merely repeating PRECISELY what Mitchell said.

Also, how do you respond to Snow's comment about the hand he'd use carrying the attache case? Snow's testimony alone PROVES that you are making a second assumption. YOU'RE assuming that DBC would respond differently than Snow.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, I rest my case.

Mitchell's 302 mentions the drink. You assume he used the dominant hand for the case, he didn't. He used both.

Snow is wrong, Cooper went to the lav, he would have kept his dominant hand free to use... that would NOT be the one holding the case flat.. definitely indicates right handed.

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Knowledge, alibi, DNA, experience, physical characteristics...a lot of stuff points to Sheridan.

Okay, if you don't mind expanding just a bit:

Knowledge - What knowledge? How to jump out of a plane into forest? Got it. How to jump out of a 727? Speculative, no?
Alibi - have you punched holes in one? Is there a lie you are able to prove pertaining to one? So far I have only heard that he was abroad for a few years.
DNA - that the FBI didn't clear him based on it? A DNA match would have led to an arrest. The DNA they have (epithelial, from the tie clasp) is dubious at best. But they also have hair. Take a look at this article from just a few months after Case Closed:
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They can now isolate and identify the proteins in an individual's hair, and match them against the genes that would code for those proteins. They already have the means and the knowledge to close the case if it's Peterson. And to stop inquiries from nuts like us.
Experience - not experience committing crimes. See "Knowledge" above.

Physical characteristics - bald with blue eyes. You need to place colored contact lenses on him in 1971 or get Schaffner to retract a 50 year old statement about piercing brown eyes. Then you need to get all of the witnesses to give opinions about hairpieces and whether or not Cooper could have been wearing one. Height and age seem to be all you've got.

I personally would like to eliminate as many potential suspects as possible. I would start with Rackstraw and Dayton, who would probably be the easiest to eliminate. Does that mean, since I am investigating them, that I consider them strong suspects? No. It means I am using a process of elimination. The FBI asking for Peterson's DNA is only significant in that they had such little evidence on the guy that they needed his DNA in order to do so. You want them to clear him, your best shot is this book of yours. Because the only thing that got them to clear the other two was public pressure, which translates to "Jesus, I can't get any real work done with all of these phone calls and letters coming in about LD Cooper. Can we just get these assholes off my back already?"

These are great probing questions, all of which I can answer.

1) KNOWLEDGE: This is no small matter. Cooper demonstrated he knew a lot about the 727 including the following: it had a unique 15 degree flap setting, where the oxygen bottles were located, that it takes about 20 minutes to refuel, and very importantly, the the aftstairs could be deployed in flight (no squat switch) or take-off with them down and that the jet could actually fly with them deployed (no flight control problems). I have unaware of a single pilot from that time frame who knew that the airstairs could be deployed during flight. In fact, the pilots of 305 and Northwest Flight Ops in Minneapolis weren't aware that the jet could fly as Cooper demanded, yet DB Cooper did. Unless, of course, he just guessed and happened to guess correctly.

The above, plus the tie particle evidence discovered by the Cooper Research Team in 2008 and 2017 strongly suggests DBC was either a Boeing employee or someone very close to Boeing with access to certain data about the 727 that was not easy to come by and in some cases restricted.

Skydiving is also a critical component. Just leaping out of the jet at night, 10,000 feet up take some stones. Not getting killed takes skill. Also, he knew how to don and use the parachute. In fact, when offered an instruction card he turned it down. This strongly suggests that DB Cooper knew what he was doing. Unless, of course, he just guessed and happened to guess correctly.

Sheridan Peterson meets the criteria established above. The universe of people who meet this criteria is going to be limited.

2) ALIBI: The fact the the event took place the day before Thanksgiving is a blessing. Most people celebrate Thanksgiving with other people which went along way toward helping the FBI establish alibis for suspects.

Sheridan Peterson was not just overseas...for example in London where establishing his whereabouts would be relatively easy...he was in Nepal. According to him, living in a mud hut (which is an overstatement). The problem is that the FBI has not been able to verify where he was, not even what part of the world he was in, during the hijacking. Sheridan says he was in Nepal but can't prove it, in part because he wasn't employed for the 2 1/2 years he lived there.

The problem for Sheridan is that he says he was in Nepal for the entire 2 1/2 years...didn't leave the country. Well, he did not show his passport to the FBI for one. Also, the fact that he claims to have lived off the proceeds of a numbered bank account based in Singapore that he established in 1971 is very problematic. If this is true (and there is no reason to think that the essence of the story isn't true) it blows his alibi because he would have had to travel out of Nepal to open the account in 1971. Plus, given the requirements associated with numbered accounts one must ask where he came up with the money to open the account in the first place. Of course, were not even addressing the other obvious question: Why would you need to open an account that is numbered, secret, confidential and hidden from the authorities to begin with?

3) DNA: The Cooper DNA is partial and was not derived from epithelial skin cells. Rather, it was derived from a saliva sample on the tie. To be sure, the FBI lost the eight cigarette butts and I have no idea what happened to the two hair samples they collected. Nonetheless, they have established a partial DNA (I'm not certain how strong...I've asked to no avail) and have felt it important enough to compare three suspects. Two of those suspects, Weber and LD, arguably were tested, in part, because of intense pressure. Notably, these two suspects have been publicly cleared by the FBI by virtue of their DNA.

The third suspect to have a DNA comparison, and the only one that the FBI actually sought was Sheridan Peterson. Additionally, he has not been publicly cleared by the FBI by virtue of his DNA or for any other reason. I have tried multiple times to get some straight answers regarding this but have been rebuffed each time.

4) EXPERIENCED CRIMINAL: When I established my profile for DB Cooper it involved someone who was not a criminal with a record. Rather, DBC struck me as someone pushed to the limit personally who was looking for a creative way to get out of a bind. Also, the fact that DBC has never been caught tells me two things: First, he didn't try it again. Two, he didn't talk about it. Frankly, career criminals aren't that smart.

5) PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS: Arguably the first FBI sketch is remarkably close in appearance to Sheridan Peterson. Moreover, he fits the basic metrics; 6'1", black hair, high forehead, mid-40s, fit, no discernible accent. The FBI is not certain whether DBC had blue eyes. After all, their description says "possibly brown" for an eye color. Also, this is based off of a very brief encounter at the beginning of the flight when there was nothing unusual going on. Florence also told the sketch artist that she could not be certain about certain aspects of his eyes. Considering this encounter took place in a jet cabin with limited lighting any ascribed eye color is dubious.

The thin hair is not a terribly big issue. Sheridan Peterson was not bald. We have plenty of picture showing he has hair on his head, albeit thin. But considering he may not have had a close hair cut recently, his hair would be consistent with some of the descriptions given by witnesses, which, frankly have been quite diverse.

Of course, there are many other things that point to Sheridan, including the words of his ex-wife if they can be verified. To reiterate, the FBI itself has been very intrigued with the man for decades and is still unwilling to discuss anything related to Sheridan.

Very weak circumstantial...

The early Cooper sketch did not resemble Cooper per witnesses that is why it was updated. The final sketch was the "consensus". << that was Cooper.

SP looks nothing like the final sketch.

I must say a blanket statement of "very weak circumstantial" is very weak in and of itself.

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1) KNOWLEDGE, that narrows it down to maybe 10's of thousands of people. You don't even know if he had that specific 727 knowledge. (Cooper did not initially ask for rear stairs down on takeoff, it came up when the pilots tried to get Tina off the plane so they could escape)

2) ALIBI, absence of evidence is not evidence.

3) DNA, you don't know the FBI's motivations.

4) EXPERIENCED CRIMINAL, opinion, generalizations, may or may not be true, is irrelevant.

5) PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS, poor match. Almost exculpatory.


What is there, SP is an interesting guy with the jump skills who worked at Boeing. Can't prove it was not him but same can be said for 10's of thousands.. Most of the "evidence" is opinion and hearsay.

The pieces are circumstantially weak. Very weak. Perhaps better than most suspects but weak nonetheless.

The FBI also thinks Sheridan Peterson is a very strong suspect.

Does the FBI make a habit of investigation suspects in Nepal and taking DNA samples from suspects 32 years after the fact from suspects they consider "very weak?"

Once again, Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, I rest my case.

You don't really know the FBI's motivations for asking for his DNA..

They asked and SP volunteered it...
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Again, Mitchell said it was his left hand when the case with resting upon Cooper's lap. There should be no bias in this position therefore meaning the dominant hand is the one in the case.

This is why I'd really like to see original FBI photos of the tie as it was found with the tie clip attached.

Yes, Mitchell did, he also said he had a drink.. he could have switched hands to use his right for drinking or smoking. That doesn't indicate he is left handed.

Carrying the case on its side with the left going to the lav is more indicative.. He would need to use his right.

Are you seriously trying to convince me that Cooper was showing off the bomb with a bourbon in his hand?

No, that is a strawman..

Mitchell never said he was showing off the bomb with his left hand in the case. 302's can be very misleading..

"the subject had a sack and a briefcase which he kept putting his left hand in and out of"

If Cooper was using his right had for something like smoking or drinking, he would switch and use the left for the sack and briefcase. << that doesn't prove he is left handed..

Carrying the case on its side with the left to lav indicates right handed... to keep the dominant hand free to use.

Mitchell says nothing about DBC smoking or drinking while he puts his left hand in the attache case. You cannot just assume that. You have to assume that DBC had nothing in his hands unless Mitchell said otherwise. Obviously the reason this was noted was an attempt to ascertain whether DBC was right or left handed. How would leaving out a critical part of the equation help in that regard?

I am not assuming anything, you are.. I am only pointing out that there are flaws in assuming Cooper is left handed from the Mitchell 302.

He described Cooper drinking...

Cooper had at least 8 cigs, they take 7-11 minutes to smoke..

"the hostess ________ recalled the subject smoked almost incessantly"

If Cooper used his right for anything, drinking, smoking or reading a magazine he would have his left near the bomb.

Carrying the case on its side to the lav with the left hand is stronger indication that he is right handed.

When Bill Mitchell attests to the left hand going in-and-out of the attache case as it's sitting upon his lap and YOU (not Mitchell) add the drink component to the story that is an assumption that YOU have made. I have not made an assumption. I am merely repeating PRECISELY what Mitchell said.

Also, how do you respond to Snow's comment about the hand he'd use carrying the attache case? Snow's testimony alone PROVES that you are making a second assumption. YOU'RE assuming that DBC would respond differently than Snow.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, I rest my case.

Mitchell's 302 mentions the drink. You assume he used the dominant hand for the case, he didn't. He used both.

Snow is wrong, Cooper went to the lav, he would have kept his dominant hand free to use... that would NOT be the one holding the case flat.. definitely indicates right handed.

Could you prepare a list of all the people that are WRONG (and you are RIGHT) in the Cooper case, as a guide to Cooperology, past, present, and future? That would save the world a LOT of time!

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Your list might become as famous as the Kaye-McCrone Particle list.
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« Reply #3626 on: November 01, 2018, 01:19:50 PM »
Snow you probably have the entire manuscript. Sheridan mixes up numbers often.

FBI SA MJ Fryar called Peterson a strong suspect. Does not mean he is DBC but it suggests that the bureau, in spite of his blue eyes and allegedly not resembling the revised sketch and being partially bald, STILL had a serious interest in him decades after the crime and after, by their own account, looking at thousands of other persons.

The FBI sketches are not photographs. We like to think they have  photographic accuracy when a favorite suspect shares a lot of their characteristics. When I worked as a criminal defense attorney, I saw many cases in which the composite sketch bore very little resemblance and sometimes no resemblance at all to a person who was later found to have been the perpetrator.

We defense attorneys used to joke that there was one particular composite sketch artist who, regardless of eyewitness input, prepared the same basic generic white guy or generic black guy sketch that could bear a resemblance to just about anybody. Made his job easier.

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« Reply #3627 on: November 01, 2018, 01:33:51 PM »
All of the evidence that points to Sheridan Peterson, and by his own account everything points to him, is not even close to enough to support an indictment, much less a conviction.  I volunteered to defend him for free and the offer still stands. I think there is little chance that he will ever need my services in connection with NORJAK.

This is a typical jury instruction regarding circumstantial evidence.

Before you may rely on circumstantial evidence to conclude that a fact necessary to find the defendant guilty has been proved, you must be convinced that the People have proved each fact essential to that conclusion  beyond a reasonable doubt. Also, before you may rely on circumstantial evidence to find the defendant guilty, you must be convinced that the only reasonable conclusion supported by the circumstantial evidence is that the defendant is guilty. If you can draw two or more reasonable conclusions from the circumstantial evidence, and one of those reasonable conclusions points to innocence and another to guilt, you must accept the one that points to innocence. However, when considering circumstantial evidence, you must accept only reasonable conclusions and reject any that are unreasonable.

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« Reply #3628 on: November 01, 2018, 01:45:01 PM »
The FBI really messed this up when they lost the cigarette butts and did whatever they did to the hair strands. The only really concrete piece of evidence is a Cooper $20. Hell, even if Sheridan Peterson woke up and stated he was in fact DBC the US Attorney would have to prove it which would be virtually impossible without a Cooper $20.

DBC is home free.
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« Reply #3629 on: November 01, 2018, 01:47:31 PM »
The FBI mission is not simply to figure out who commited a particular crime, they must build a case that will support a conviction. Confidently identifying who committed a crime does not help the prosecutor if the FBI cannot build a case they can win in court. A win is a conviction. It can be accomplished by trying a case or negotiation of a plea bargain. 

I have seen investigations in which law enforcement agencies had a really good idea who committed the crime but the active investigation was eventually terminated when they were unable to gather enough evidence to support a successful prosecution.

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