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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3600 on: November 01, 2018, 12:00:16 AM »
The original photo of the tie is not relevant to Cooper being left or right handed..the tie clip can only go on one side since that's how a shirt is made for males..
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3601 on: November 01, 2018, 12:05:42 AM »
I'm left handed..it's a very tough handicap in many cases..lots of things are made for right hand use. you have to adapt in many cases..
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3602 on: November 01, 2018, 12:33:41 AM »
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Again, Mitchell said it was his left hand when the case with resting upon Cooper's lap. There should be no bias in this position therefore meaning the dominant hand is the one in the case.

This is why I'd really like to see original FBI photos of the tie as it was found with the tie clip attached.

Yes, Mitchell did, he also said he had a drink.. he could have switched hands to use his right for drinking or smoking. That doesn't indicate he is left handed.

Carrying the case on its side with the left going to the lav is more indicative.. He would need to use his right.

When he folded his hands which thumb was over which? Right over left?   :))
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3603 on: November 01, 2018, 01:13:49 AM »
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Again, Mitchell said it was his left hand when the case with resting upon Cooper's lap. There should be no bias in this position therefore meaning the dominant hand is the one in the case.

This is why I'd really like to see original FBI photos of the tie as it was found with the tie clip attached.

Yes, Mitchell did, he also said he had a drink.. he could have switched hands to use his right for drinking or smoking. That doesn't indicate he is left handed.

Carrying the case on its side with the left going to the lav is more indicative.. He would need to use his right.

Are you seriously trying to convince me that Cooper was showing off the bomb with a bourbon in his hand?
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« Reply #3604 on: November 01, 2018, 08:14:04 AM »
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Knowledge, alibi, DNA, experience, physical characteristics...a lot of stuff points to Sheridan.

Okay, if you don't mind expanding just a bit:

Knowledge - What knowledge? How to jump out of a plane into forest? Got it. How to jump out of a 727? Speculative, no?
Alibi - have you punched holes in one? Is there a lie you are able to prove pertaining to one? So far I have only heard that he was abroad for a few years.
DNA - that the FBI didn't clear him based on it? A DNA match would have led to an arrest. The DNA they have (epithelial, from the tie clasp) is dubious at best. But they also have hair. Take a look at this article from just a few months after Case Closed:
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They can now isolate and identify the proteins in an individual's hair, and match them against the genes that would code for those proteins. They already have the means and the knowledge to close the case if it's Peterson. And to stop inquiries from nuts like us.
Experience - not experience committing crimes. See "Knowledge" above.

Physical characteristics - bald with blue eyes. You need to place colored contact lenses on him in 1971 or get Schaffner to retract a 50 year old statement about piercing brown eyes. Then you need to get all of the witnesses to give opinions about hairpieces and whether or not Cooper could have been wearing one. Height and age seem to be all you've got.

I personally would like to eliminate as many potential suspects as possible. I would start with Rackstraw and Dayton, who would probably be the easiest to eliminate. Does that mean, since I am investigating them, that I consider them strong suspects? No. It means I am using a process of elimination. The FBI asking for Peterson's DNA is only significant in that they had such little evidence on the guy that they needed his DNA in order to do so. You want them to clear him, your best shot is this book of yours. Because the only thing that got them to clear the other two was public pressure, which translates to "Jesus, I can't get any real work done with all of these phone calls and letters coming in about LD Cooper. Can we just get these assholes off my back already?"
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3605 on: November 01, 2018, 08:15:57 AM »
Trying to figure out whether Cooper was left or right handed is going to be tough...

He's in a confined space so either hand must adapt to the area..the key in finding out is what hand he held the cigarette. I'm left handed and I smoke. it's always in my left hand..Mitchell said his hand was in and out of the case so what happened to the drink? if he was in control and didn't feel any threat he might of held the drink while showing the bomb, if the case was open already or "ajar"

Left handed people are less than 10% of the population and are more skillful than right handed people due to the handicap itself. even a lefty isn't going to reach over to mess with the wires in the case. again, the key is which hand was used to smoke. I don't think that was asked by anyone, sure would of been asked today..
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3606 on: November 01, 2018, 08:17:21 AM »
Unsurelock, IMO, Cooper has not been found.
 

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« Reply #3607 on: November 01, 2018, 08:18:48 AM »
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Unsurelock, IMO, Cooper has not been found.
I tend to agree.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3608 on: November 01, 2018, 09:27:31 AM »
The FBI obviously did not believe the brown eyes description to be reliable. If they did, then why take DNA from a blue eyed suspect. Sheridan Peterson has the bluest blue eyes you wil ever see.

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3609 on: November 01, 2018, 10:13:37 AM »
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Knowledge, alibi, DNA, experience, physical characteristics...a lot of stuff points to Sheridan.

Okay, if you don't mind expanding just a bit:

Knowledge - What knowledge? How to jump out of a plane into forest? Got it. How to jump out of a 727? Speculative, no?
Alibi - have you punched holes in one? Is there a lie you are able to prove pertaining to one? So far I have only heard that he was abroad for a few years.
DNA - that the FBI didn't clear him based on it? A DNA match would have led to an arrest. The DNA they have (epithelial, from the tie clasp) is dubious at best. But they also have hair. Take a look at this article from just a few months after Case Closed:
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They can now isolate and identify the proteins in an individual's hair, and match them against the genes that would code for those proteins. They already have the means and the knowledge to close the case if it's Peterson. And to stop inquiries from nuts like us.
Experience - not experience committing crimes. See "Knowledge" above.

Physical characteristics - bald with blue eyes. You need to place colored contact lenses on him in 1971 or get Schaffner to retract a 50 year old statement about piercing brown eyes. Then you need to get all of the witnesses to give opinions about hairpieces and whether or not Cooper could have been wearing one. Height and age seem to be all you've got.

I personally would like to eliminate as many potential suspects as possible. I would start with Rackstraw and Dayton, who would probably be the easiest to eliminate. Does that mean, since I am investigating them, that I consider them strong suspects? No. It means I am using a process of elimination. The FBI asking for Peterson's DNA is only significant in that they had such little evidence on the guy that they needed his DNA in order to do so. You want them to clear him, your best shot is this book of yours. Because the only thing that got them to clear the other two was public pressure, which translates to "Jesus, I can't get any real work done with all of these phone calls and letters coming in about LD Cooper. Can we just get these assholes off my back already?"

These are great probing questions, all of which I can answer.

1) KNOWLEDGE: This is no small matter. Cooper demonstrated he knew a lot about the 727 including the following: it had a unique 15 degree flap setting, where the oxygen bottles were located, that it takes about 20 minutes to refuel, and very importantly, the the aftstairs could be deployed in flight (no squat switch) or take-off with them down and that the jet could actually fly with them deployed (no flight control problems). I have unaware of a single pilot from that time frame who knew that the airstairs could be deployed during flight. In fact, the pilots of 305 and Northwest Flight Ops in Minneapolis weren't aware that the jet could fly as Cooper demanded, yet DB Cooper did. Unless, of course, he just guessed and happened to guess correctly.

The above, plus the tie particle evidence discovered by the Cooper Research Team in 2008 and 2017 strongly suggests DBC was either a Boeing employee or someone very close to Boeing with access to certain data about the 727 that was not easy to come by and in some cases restricted.

Skydiving is also a critical component. Just leaping out of the jet at night, 10,000 feet up take some stones. Not getting killed takes skill. Also, he knew how to don and use the parachute. In fact, when offered an instruction card he turned it down. This strongly suggests that DB Cooper knew what he was doing. Unless, of course, he just guessed and happened to guess correctly.

Sheridan Peterson meets the criteria established above. The universe of people who meet this criteria is going to be limited.

2) ALIBI: The fact the the event took place the day before Thanksgiving is a blessing. Most people celebrate Thanksgiving with other people which went along way toward helping the FBI establish alibis for suspects.

Sheridan Peterson was not just overseas...for example in London where establishing his whereabouts would be relatively easy...he was in Nepal. According to him, living in a mud hut (which is an overstatement). The problem is that the FBI has not been able to verify where he was, not even what part of the world he was in, during the hijacking. Sheridan says he was in Nepal but can't prove it, in part because he wasn't employed for the 2 1/2 years he lived there.

The problem for Sheridan is that he says he was in Nepal for the entire 2 1/2 years...didn't leave the country. Well, he did not show his passport to the FBI for one. Also, the fact that he claims to have lived off the proceeds of a numbered bank account based in Singapore that he established in 1971 is very problematic. If this is true (and there is no reason to think that the essence of the story isn't true) it blows his alibi because he would have had to travel out of Nepal to open the account in 1971. Plus, given the requirements associated with numbered accounts one must ask where he came up with the money to open the account in the first place. Of course, were not even addressing the other obvious question: Why would you need to open an account that is numbered, secret, confidential and hidden from the authorities to begin with?

3) DNA: The Cooper DNA is partial and was not derived from epithelial skin cells. Rather, it was derived from a saliva sample on the tie. To be sure, the FBI lost the eight cigarette butts and I have no idea what happened to the two hair samples they collected. Nonetheless, they have established a partial DNA (I'm not certain how strong...I've asked to no avail) and have felt it important enough to compare three suspects. Two of those suspects, Weber and LD, arguably were tested, in part, because of intense pressure. Notably, these two suspects have been publicly cleared by the FBI by virtue of their DNA.

The third suspect to have a DNA comparison, and the only one that the FBI actually sought was Sheridan Peterson. Additionally, he has not been publicly cleared by the FBI by virtue of his DNA or for any other reason. I have tried multiple times to get some straight answers regarding this but have been rebuffed each time.

4) EXPERIENCED CRIMINAL: When I established my profile for DB Cooper it involved someone who was not a criminal with a record. Rather, DBC struck me as someone pushed to the limit personally who was looking for a creative way to get out of a bind. Also, the fact that DBC has never been caught tells me two things: First, he didn't try it again. Two, he didn't talk about it. Frankly, career criminals aren't that smart.

5) PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS: Arguably the first FBI sketch is remarkably close in appearance to Sheridan Peterson. Moreover, he fits the basic metrics; 6'1", black hair, high forehead, mid-40s, fit, no discernible accent. The FBI is not certain whether DBC had blue eyes. After all, their description says "possibly brown" for an eye color. Also, this is based off of a very brief encounter at the beginning of the flight when there was nothing unusual going on. Florence also told the sketch artist that she could not be certain about certain aspects of his eyes. Considering this encounter took place in a jet cabin with limited lighting any ascribed eye color is dubious.

The thin hair is not a terribly big issue. Sheridan Peterson was not bald. We have plenty of picture showing he has hair on his head, albeit thin. But considering he may not have had a close hair cut recently, his hair would be consistent with some of the descriptions given by witnesses, which, frankly have been quite diverse.

Of course, there are many other things that point to Sheridan, including the words of his ex-wife if they can be verified. To reiterate, the FBI itself has been very intrigued with the man for decades and is still unwilling to discuss anything related to Sheridan.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3610 on: November 01, 2018, 10:17:35 AM »
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The FBI obviously did not believe the brown eyes description to be reliable. If they did, then why take DNA from a blue eyed suspect. Sheridan Peterson has the bluest blue eyes you wil ever see.

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The FBI knows what a lot of us know and yet argue against when we choose to - that one or more pieces of this puzzle do not fit with any of the known suspects. Blue eyes with Rackstraw and Peterson. Age and Hair with McCoy. Height with KC...actually everything with KC. You can't discount any of the suspects based on one physical attribute, but conversely and very discouraging to many of us, you also cannot tout anybody based on a "eh, close enough" match. Not without some resistance to it. My argument is with the physical description being a good match for Cooper.
 
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« Reply #3611 on: November 01, 2018, 10:51:56 AM »
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Again, Mitchell said it was his left hand when the case with resting upon Cooper's lap. There should be no bias in this position therefore meaning the dominant hand is the one in the case.

This is why I'd really like to see original FBI photos of the tie as it was found with the tie clip attached.

Yes, Mitchell did, he also said he had a drink.. he could have switched hands to use his right for drinking or smoking. That doesn't indicate he is left handed.

Carrying the case on its side with the left going to the lav is more indicative.. He would need to use his right.

Are you seriously trying to convince me that Cooper was showing off the bomb with a bourbon in his hand?

No, that is a strawman..

Mitchell never said he was showing off the bomb with his left hand in the case. 302's can be very misleading..

"the subject had a sack and a briefcase which he kept putting his left hand in and out of"

If Cooper was using his right had for something like smoking or drinking, he would switch and use the left for the sack and briefcase. << that doesn't prove he is left handed..

Carrying the case on its side with the left to lav indicates right handed... to keep the dominant hand free to use.
 

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« Reply #3612 on: November 01, 2018, 10:59:28 AM »
Too bad we can't get Sheridan's article about this event. Sounds interesting.

A high school teacher at Kirkland, Washington, I was recruited by the American Federation of Teachers to go to Mississippi and set up a freedom school. They sent me by Greyhound Bus to Jackson, Mississippi. After extensive training in nonviolence, I marched with Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee Regional Director Stokely Carmichael on the streets of Jackson protesting racial inequality. I was incarcerated in the main pavilion of the state fairgrounds and was harshly beaten.

Later I went to Amite county and set up a freedom school. One of my students of the son of Herbert Lee who was shot by State Congressman Hurst for rallying others to register to vote. I was instrumental in registering 35 blacks to vote; the only black residents of that county who had ever registered.
I wrote a lengthy article of my experience focusing on Herbert Lee, E.W. Steptoe and Bob Moses. However, I have not been able to get it published.

I would greatly appreciate it if someone would provide me with a copy of my Jackson police mug shot.

Thank you,

Sheridan Peterson,
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I would appreciate a copy of my Jackson police mug shot.

Posted by Sheridan Peterson on 2 February 2009 @ 12am
 

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« Reply #3613 on: November 01, 2018, 10:59:40 AM »
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The FBI obviously did not believe the brown eyes description to be reliable. If they did, then why take DNA from a blue eyed suspect. Sheridan Peterson has the bluest blue eyes you wil ever see.

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Maybe the FBI just wanted his DNA in the database... that is their bias
 

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« Reply #3614 on: November 01, 2018, 11:03:39 AM »
As of 2014  Pete was still trying to get his work published. I'm confused though, as to why he says it's 826 pages. There must be pages I don't have. I'm bummed about that.

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MANUSCRIPT OF VIETNAM WAR
Dear Fellow Vets,

The author is a World War II Marine Corps vet who went to Vietnam for the express purpose of documenting the Vietnam War. He wrote an 826 page literary eyewitness documentary of the Vietnam War. Much of the documentary is written from different sorts of Vietnamese points of view under different circumstances. The author is angry and wants a complacent America to see themselve for what they truly are. For example dozens of Vietnamese children are being born every day with horrid deformities. The country is drenched in the the deadly dioxin, Agent Orange and we Americans are doing nothing to exadicate the poison from the earth and save these innocent children

Sheridan Peterson.