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« Reply #3495 on: October 31, 2018, 03:10:53 PM »
7) "He was a civilian skydiver in Vietnam during the war. It's funny how people were so confident that it would be impossible to have a reasonable suspect from Vietnam, because of Cooper's age. Sheridan proves the idea that generalizations don't apply."

Good thing Sheridan didn't sucker me into a bet about the existence of civilian sport jumping in Vietnam during the war. When he first told me about it I thought it was complete bullshit. It was like someone talking about civilians taking up idle F4s for some stunt flying over Saigon. When you think about the sport jumping in a war zone it's just insane. I wish it had been discovered by Coppola and woven into Apocalypse Now.

I hope Sheridan re-opens our friendship. I really enjoyed visiting with him en route to Mendocino. My wife is annoyed that my obsession with Cooper seems to have deprived her of Sheridan's charming company.

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« Reply #3496 on: October 31, 2018, 03:12:57 PM »
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I heard Sheridan got in some fights with people from the internet.
That's hard to believe, since the internet is about peace and love.

From Snowmman, the Ghandi of the Internet.

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« Reply #3497 on: October 31, 2018, 03:16:19 PM »
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As I consider Sheridan as a suspect, the things that strike me as the most compelling in terms of pointing to him NOT being Cooper are:

1) Non-smoker, at least until 1962.

2) Thin hair on the top of his head.

3) The fact that he has toyed with people about being Cooper.

4) No apparent signs of excess wealth...new 1972 Jaguar in the driveway.

Bravo EU, instead of scrambling to explain those facts away, you acknowledge and even hightlight them.

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« Reply #3498 on: October 31, 2018, 03:25:26 PM »
I still think like a defense lawyer, it's hard to change. Even with all the circumstantial evidence against Sheridan, he is MILES away from being indictable. So far, nothing proves he was on the plane.

When he got all agitated about being a suspect, I pushed back hard, pointing out that he at times directly fostered it. I also pointed out that if factually innocent, he literally had nothing to worry about. I offered to defend him for free and outlined a plan to get charges dismissed based on the FBI's loss of material and possibly exculpatory evidence.

His fear of being jailed for NORJAK seemed sincere, which puzzled me and still does.

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3499 on: October 31, 2018, 03:31:10 PM »
The reality is that if someone is on the "Not Cooper" side of the fence they have to feel uncomfortable with the ridiculous amount of circumstantial evidence that points to him.

Beyond that, I am 100% certain that his book was either written intentionally to toy with the reader who is familiar with Cooper. Or, he was DBC. There is no other reasonable explanation.
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« Reply #3500 on: October 31, 2018, 03:32:30 PM »
Here's a photo from Sheridan, apparently after landing at the Ap Dong DZ

The picture of the boy reminds me of Sheridan telling this story in his book

Nearing the ground, he saw a half dozen small boys running directly beneath him. "Di di mau, get out of here," he shouted pivoting to one side to keep from clobbering one of them. Without a word, the ragged little urchins began to field pack his parachute. One stretched the rig out on the ground while a second daisy-chained the suspension lines. Then they stuffed the canopy into the sleeve, folded, and fastened it inside the container with the bungee straps. Then still paying no attention to Grecco, picked it up and headed for the DZ. Another urchin placed the reserve on his shoulder and a fourth put the goggles and ripcord in the helmet and carried it over his shoulder by the strap.

The rest of the children clustered about Grecco eyeing him solemnly, as he struggled to his feet and lumbered towards the waiting vehicle. When he reached the jeep, those who had field packed the rig, pressed up against him. "One hundred pee! One hundred pee! Okay GI? You give me money!" they demanded. Unable to remember which children had packed his rig, he handed twenty piaster to the oldest boy indicating for him to divide it up. "No way, GI!" the little boy shouted. "Tee tee money. You give one hundred pee."

"Di di mau," Grecco said pressing through the ring of urchin and climbing into the back of the jeep. He held one hand on his watch and the other on his wallet."You number ten," the children shouted running after the jeep as it sped off in a cloud of dust.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3501 on: October 31, 2018, 03:36:58 PM »
Heh

EU saying there are only two possible reasons for the book.

EU: you've not run into enough slightly demented people, I think.

The book is the book. I can imagine Sheridan just writing it as is, for no reason other than what he says...he thinks he's writing some interesting fictional documentary of his Vietnam experience.

But he's limited as a writer by always having to talk about himself and his life. Nothing outside his own personal experience.

Kind of like you: You're limited by your belief you're good at reading people.

Here's the thing: it's one thing to have a strong hand. It's another thing to convince the other guy to go all in when you have a strong hand.
 

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« Reply #3502 on: October 31, 2018, 03:44:07 PM »
Wasn't Cooper right handed??

He had his right hand on the bomb,, didn't a witness claim he used his right hand..

Have to go and look for it in the files..
 

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« Reply #3503 on: October 31, 2018, 03:45:21 PM »
EU
you'll note in the paragraph I quoted from the book above, with the pic, Sheridan talks about daisy-chaining the suspension lines. That's a quick field pack for the back rig.

So you're claiming that at Issaquah in 1971, there were chest reserves, packed, with daisy-chained suspension lines, all based on something Sheridan said?

And that statement incriminates Sheridan at the same time he's the only source of that possibility.

Now you might say Emrick gave them a chest reserve that was not repacked correctly. That's possible since he apparently gave them a training rig. Maybe he wanted to get rid of an old rig on purpose. The article says he went looking for old rigs because he didn't think he'd get them back.

Maybe Emrick gave them a training rig on purpose. Maybe he didn't know the canopy had some panels sewn shut

Maybe more likely: Cossey's comment on the training rig was wrong. Maybe not all training rigs had some sewn panels. (you can still train with a full canopy)

Maybe Cooper didn't get a training rig. Maybe Cooper got a non-repacked reserve.

Who the hell knows. Cossey or whoever said it was a training rig, maybe shouldn't be believed anyhow.

So you basically have a speculative theory that has no hard facts to stand on.
 

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« Reply #3504 on: October 31, 2018, 03:52:13 PM »
That's an incredible photo Snow.

Skydiver author Musika Farnsworth should write an article about the Saigon Sport Parachute Club. She's a good writer and her stunning beauty would surely get her an audience with Sheridan.

Thom, D-1903 wrote this on dropzone:

"Two from Viet Nam
I was in a group of crazies in 1966-67 called the Saigon Sport Parachute Club jumping at Ap Dong. We used H-34's which is strange cause when you spot you can yell "5 BACK!".

The first incident was a 10,000 footer and at about 4000' I noticed that the DZ was being shelled!!! I seriously wondered if it was worth it to open at all or just get it over with but I wasn't that young or that stupid.

Next was a few weeks later when the crew chief ordered everyone out for some reason. We were down wind over a jungle canopy to the east of the DZ and no way could we get back. I spotted a small clearing maybe 25' in diameter and started towards it with my 28' cheapo. I had to work the target and put my M-45 Swedish 9mm submachine gun together at the same time. I land in the clearing but the canopy was in the trees and I was dangling a foot or so off the ground. I heard people running towards me and I almost shot three kids who came after me to carry gear or whatever formoney or cigarettes. They got my gear out of the tree and when I went to put some ripstop tape on some small tears from the tree, I found two small caliger bullet holes! Don't know when I got them
THOM


Lets say the experience was UNIQUE! The DZ was also had as rock so you either did an excellent PLF or stood it up whichwasn't often in that heat and humidty. AP DONG was also the DZ for the Vietnamese 2nd Airborne Division and there was a small triangular fort on the DZ. The chopper could land right next to the packing area but we discourage that for obvious reasons.

Every time we jumped we were plagued by people trying to sell us everything from cokeacola to their daughters and these boys were all over who would field pack for you for a couple of cigarettes. Carry your gear back for another one.

The club had mostly Army in it, and a couple of Navy and Air Force but also some Aussies and American Civilians. The first CrossBow in Viet Nam didn't get jumped more than a few times. An American civilian brought it in and did a hook turn into a tree trunk and the H-34 had to fly him to the 3rd field hospital which left us without a jump ship for several hours.

By the way, the H-34 was Viet in VNAF colors and we paid the pilots a (5th) bottle of Johnny Walker each to fly for us, the chopper was free. I didn't drink so it was usually my ration for 5th's that got used up.

After TET in 1968 the club couldn't get the chopper anymore and the club folded I'm told. Love to hear more from anyone who jumped in Nam.

THOM"
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3505 on: October 31, 2018, 03:54:32 PM »
This FBI FOIA memo that interviewed the ticket clerk says Cooper  "probably" used his right hand to pay the $20

The source of money from his pockets was not noted.

Overall impression "Laboring type as opposed to office worker"
Complexion: Slightly darker, possible Olive
Hair: Dark, No gray noted.
Clothing: Dark Clothing, casual jacket
5'10" or 5'11"
180 pounds
Build: Medium
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« Reply #3506 on: October 31, 2018, 03:59:27 PM »
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Heh

EU saying there are only two possible reasons for the book.

EU: you've not run into enough slightly demented people, I think.

The book is the book. I can imagine Sheridan just writing it as is, for no reason other than what he says...he thinks he's writing some interesting fictional documentary of his Vietnam experience.

But he's limited as a writer by always having to talk about himself and his life. Nothing outside his own personal experience.

Kind of like you: You're limited by your belief you're good at reading people.

Here's the thing: it's one thing to have a strong hand. It's another thing to convince the other guy to go all in when you have a strong hand.

You completely misunderstand why I am making such a bold statement.

Simply put, there are things that Sheridan says and refers to in his book that are remarkably similar to DBC. I assert that these similarities are too abundant to be mere coincidence.

I've used the example of Ted Kaczynski's brother recognizing Ted's writing after the manifesto was published. Same thing.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3507 on: October 31, 2018, 04:00:54 PM »
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you'll note in the paragraph I quoted from the book above, with the pic, Sheridan talks about daisy-chaining the suspension lines. That's a quick field pack for the back rig.

So you're claiming that at Issaquah in 1971, there were chest reserves, packed, with daisy-chained suspension lines, all based on something Sheridan said?

And that statement incriminates Sheridan at the same time he's the only source of that possibility.

Now you might say Emrick gave them a chest reserve that was not repacked correctly. That's possible since he apparently gave them a training rig. Maybe he wanted to get rid of an old rig on purpose. The article says he went looking for old rigs because he didn't think he'd get them back.

Maybe Emrick gave them a training rig on purpose. Maybe he didn't know the canopy had some panels sewn shut

Maybe more likely: Cossey's comment on the training rig was wrong. Maybe not all training rigs had some sewn panels. (you can still train with a full canopy)

Maybe Cooper didn't get a training rig. Maybe Cooper got a non-repacked reserve.

Who the hell knows. Cossey or whoever said it was a training rig, maybe shouldn't be believed anyhow.

So you basically have a speculative theory that has no hard facts to stand on.

Again, you completely misunderstand my point. Refer to my "lime green wallet" analogy.
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« Reply #3508 on: October 31, 2018, 04:04:38 PM »
In this FBI memo 11/30/71, the person interviewed said Cooper kept putting his left hand in his briefcase

The subject had a sack and a briefcase which he kept putting his left hand in and out of, The subject appeared to be cool and casual.
 

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« Reply #3509 on: October 31, 2018, 04:05:09 PM »
I believe the evidence suggests--not at all conclusive--that Cooper was left-handed. This is because when the bomb was on his lap he utilized his left hand--he was provided an option because it was on his lap.

The bomb sitting in the right seat negates any option other than using the right hand.

The ticket counter guy...that's laughable. Now why the hell would he remember that?
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