Author Topic: Suspects And Confessions  (Read 1646964 times)

Offline snowmman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1877
  • Thanked: 176 times
Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3285 on: October 29, 2018, 03:59:13 PM »
funny.
The immediate next post on DZ.com after Bruce's interview, was 377 trying to plead my case
Quade wanted to keep me in the box. Now there's a conspiracy theory for you!

Quade,

If Bob is being truthful we may have a real breakthrough here. Snowmman is uniquely qualified to help out on Sheridan Peterson research and analysis. We need his help.

PLEASE Quade, as a favor to me, give Snow a trial amnesty and allow him to post. I ask others to join me in this sincere request. Come on folks, Snow could really add some value here. What do you say? Post your support or opposition.

377


Even Bruce tried to file a "friend of the court" briefing here

I concur with Three-Seven-Seven's request. I have the benefit of receiving Snow's PMs but I think the greater good is served here with a wider distribution of information
« Last Edit: October 29, 2018, 04:00:00 PM by snowmman »
 

Offline 377

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1597
  • Thanked: 444 times
Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3286 on: October 29, 2018, 04:06:43 PM »
Gotta love Bruce, a real feet on the street journalist. For those like me, who mostly just search online, the chances of bringing something brand new to the Vortex are very low. Bruce's interviews have turned up plenty of new things.  I am grateful for his work. Now if I could only get him to renounce remote viewing. 😉

Grecco is told not to try any "funny stuff". Sound familiar?

Kinda funny how Cooper and Grecco share so many letters. Just a coincidence.

Can anyone verify the existence of a work for welfare program in Washington at the time  referenced in Sheridan's book?  I had a lot of contact with various welfare and public assistance during my work in a public defenders office and also serving as a volunteer in a federal  anti-poverty program. I never ran into a single instance where people had to work to receive welfare. Maybe WA was different.

When I quized Sheridan about the passage in the book referring to clearing brush on the Columbia river with freezing feet and inadequate clothing and pointed out how similar it sounded to what Cooper must've experienced  walking out of his landing area, he said that it came from his own experience clearing brush  along the Columbia during winter to get public assistance. He told me that most of the others quit after a very short time working, didn't show up, etc. He fulfilled his work commitment and didn't slack or shirk.

My possible bias here became obvious to me. I thought the author was describing Cooper's escape after landing when in fact it may have been exactly what was written (work for welfare) and had no connection at all to NORJAK.

377
« Last Edit: October 29, 2018, 04:13:19 PM by 377 »
 

Offline snowmman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1877
  • Thanked: 176 times
Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3287 on: October 29, 2018, 04:11:25 PM »
Hanford site has Palladium pollution (palladium-107 mentioned here in 2014)
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login


Hanford Site contractors routinely encounter a wide variety of radionuclide mixtures ranging from essentially pure plutonium to fission and activation products. Included in these fission and activation products are low-energy beta emitters, such as carbon-14, iron-55, nickel-59, nickel-63, selenium-79, technetium-99, palladium-107, and europium-155 that are difficult or impossible to detect with routine field-survey methods (i.e., hard-to-detect
radionuclides).
« Last Edit: October 29, 2018, 04:13:10 PM by snowmman »
 

Offline snowmman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1877
  • Thanked: 176 times
Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3288 on: October 29, 2018, 04:16:37 PM »
yes, This "funny stuff" reference is the only one in the book. So it happened in 1962.
I speculated about how cooper's "do the job" may have been a mental thought about job performance..thinking about the bad job review in Sheridan's book..i.e. he may have had job performance on his mind..he rarely stayed at any job for more than one or two years.

The part 377 is commenting on:
It was finally agreed upon that Grecco could have Monday and Tuesday to look for a job if he agreed to cut brush on Saturday and Sunday. However, he warned Vince not to try any funny stuff. He'd be by on the weekends to check on him.
 

Offline EU

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1759
  • Thanked: 322 times
    • ERIC ULIS: From the History Channel
Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3289 on: October 29, 2018, 04:23:11 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Fucking A!

Bruce Smith is the fucking man.

It was Richland, WA

Bruce did an interview where he got the town without realizing it. At Dropzon.com. I'll post

Amazing. This is close to the Hanford site!

Yes he was in the Tri-Cities area. This is quite close to the Columbia River too.
Some men see things as they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?

RFK
 

Offline snowmman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1877
  • Thanked: 176 times
Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3290 on: October 29, 2018, 04:24:53 PM »
The tie would have to be from before 1962

Here is Flyjack's post on the Patent stuff from the tie, and the label. The patent stuff seems to allow a 1962 tie (manufacture after patent filed?...But what's with this 1964 Towncraft label? Is there real data that locks that down?

I want to believe it's a tie from around 1960-1961.

FLYJACK:
Georger,, thanks that helps.. if the TOWNCRAFT label is 1964+ with evidence I found that puts the tie between 1964-1965..

I found fragmented images of the secondary label online and on tv, the label with the patent number on it. I noticed that the Cooper patent number didn't match any of the 30 tie samples I found online..

I also found that the Patent label on the Cooper tie is trimmed or misaligned cutting off the last number in the patent. I finally found a full sample identical to the fragments. Turns out the patent was filed 1959 and issued 1961.. All the other ties with the same TOWNCRAFT label had two completely different patents filed 1965. Also, these ties are mass produced as "Snapper" by France Neckwear CO. NY, they produced "Snapper" ties all over the world and just added store branding labels, including Sears..

So, the Cooper TOWNCRAFT label is 1964+ and the unique patent number is 1959-1965.. 

This is the patent number on the Cooper tie, 2972750 but missing the last 0 as the label is either trimmed, altered or misaligned in the manufacturing process.

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

The later TOWNCRAFT ties have late 1965 patent#s 3220015 and 3222684

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
« Last Edit: October 29, 2018, 04:30:22 PM by snowmman »
 

Offline EU

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1759
  • Thanked: 322 times
    • ERIC ULIS: From the History Channel
Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3291 on: October 29, 2018, 04:32:32 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
The tie woud have to be from before 1962

Here is Flyjack's post on the Patent stuff from the tie, and the label. The patent stuff seems to allow a 1962 tie (manufacture after patent filed?...But what's with this 1964 Towncraft label? Is there real data that locks that down?

I want to believe it's a tie from around 1960-1961.

FLYJACK:
Georger,, thanks that helps.. if the TOWNCRAFT label is 1964+ with evidence I found that puts the tie between 1964-1965..

I found fragmented images of the secondary label online and on tv, the label with the patent number on it. I noticed that the Cooper patent number didn't match any of the 30 tie samples I found online..

I also found that the Patent label on the Cooper tie is trimmed or misaligned cutting off the last number in the patent. I finally found a full sample identical to the fragments. Turns out the patent was filed 1959 and issued 1961.. All the other ties with the same TOWNCRAFT label had two completely different patents filed 1965. Also, these ties are mass produced as "Snapper" by France Neckwear CO. NY, they produced "Snapper" ties all over the world and just added store branding labels, including Sears..

So, the Cooper TOWNCRAFT label is 1964+ and the unique patent number is 1959-1965.. 

This is the patent number on the Cooper tie, 2972750 but missing the last 0 as the label is either trimmed, altered or misaligned in the manufacturing process.

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

The later TOWNCRAFT ties have late 1965 patent#s 3220015 and 3222684

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login


I looked at all of this extensively.

The Towncraft logo varied from tie model to tie model and was used initially around late 50s as I recall. Dating it based upon this logo is not helpful.

The JC Penny logo was first used in 1963.

The patents are also telling.

All of this told me the tie was manufactured by Remington Apparel Company, in North Carolina, in either 1963 or 1964. I couldn't nail down the exact year. If I had to guess, I would put my money on 1963 because the ties were purchased in a very large lot by JC Penny and 1963 makes more sense given the timing of the updated patent.
Some men see things as they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?

RFK
 

Offline 377

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1597
  • Thanked: 444 times
Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3292 on: October 29, 2018, 04:32:50 PM »
Snow really tested my defense and advocacy skills. I did my very best to keep him
from being banned from dropzone.com and failed. He wouldn't even try to be nice or even civil
to Quade, the moderator.

Kinda reminded me of work I did as a court appointed defense lawyer for unruly indigents.

I had one client who would loudly mumble insulting things during prosecution witness testimony. After mumbling audibly "that bitch is lying" the judge warned him he'd be removed from the courtroom if it happened again. The judge called a brief recess and asked if I would speak with my client about being more civil.

When alone during the brief recess my client lit into me: "don't you do what the judge just asked you to do, shut me up. If you do that then you're a bitch too. Nobody stands up for me. That's why I have to do what I do out there. That bitch was lying and you don't do shit. You just sit there acting all nice and proper."

377



« Last Edit: October 29, 2018, 04:33:29 PM by 377 »
 

Offline snowmman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1877
  • Thanked: 176 times
Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3293 on: October 29, 2018, 04:36:51 PM »
Full image of another 1960's Towncraft snapper tie.
Not black

from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Detail 5
 

Offline snowmman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1877
  • Thanked: 176 times
Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3294 on: October 29, 2018, 04:38:10 PM »
EU

How do you know the JC Penney label was first used in 1963 on Cooper's tie?
 

Offline snowmman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1877
  • Thanked: 176 times
Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3295 on: October 29, 2018, 04:40:11 PM »
EU

377 can tell you that Patent grant dates and updates have little to nothing to do with manufacture dates.
I've had patents granted 10 years after the applicable product was manufactured. And no longer sold!

All that matters is filing date.
I'm wondering if you misunderstand patents and manufacture, and whether your 1963 guess is speculative.
 

Offline snowmman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1877
  • Thanked: 176 times
Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3296 on: October 29, 2018, 04:41:17 PM »
377:

I see his point exactly. The bitch was lying.
 

Offline EU

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1759
  • Thanked: 322 times
    • ERIC ULIS: From the History Channel
Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3297 on: October 29, 2018, 04:41:57 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
EU

How do you know the JC Penney label was first used in 1963 on Cooper's tie?

This version of the JC Penny logo was first used in 1963 per their company history.
Some men see things as they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?

RFK
 

Offline EU

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1759
  • Thanked: 322 times
    • ERIC ULIS: From the History Channel
Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3298 on: October 29, 2018, 04:47:44 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
EU

377 can tell you that Patent grant dates and updates have little to nothing to do with manufacture dates.
I've had patents granted 10 years after the applicable product was manufactured. And no longer sold!

All that matters is filing date.
I'm wondering if you misunderstand patents and manufacture, and whether your 1963 guess is speculative.

Yes, I understand the patent dates versus manufacture dates. That is not a problem here.

The reason is because the version of the snapper used in Cooper's tie is the older version--the one with the large knob on the underside.

However, we know it wasn't manufactured before 1963 because JC Penny's new logo (1963) is also on the tie.

Furthermore, we know it wasn't manufactured after 1964 because that is the year (I believe it was in December 1964) that an updated patent was filed for a new snapper contraption that had a low profile on the reverse of the knot--they got rid of the large knob poking a wearer in the throat.

The 1964 pending patent was finally granted in 1965.
Some men see things as they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?

RFK
 

Offline snowmman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1877
  • Thanked: 176 times
Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #3299 on: October 29, 2018, 04:50:09 PM »
EU
This is important.
I think your data on the PENNEY'S logo is wrong

I found a site and logo that says 1962

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

This would be important. if the tie is 61 or 62, then Sheridan can have it with Hanford site pollution

The web page says this about the logo
This logo was used in Penney's ads during 1962 and 1963.

attached
« Last Edit: October 29, 2018, 04:51:53 PM by snowmman »