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Georger -

There you go again - inventing what is not there. We all know that passage; it came up years ago and Ckret checked it out. We had to know. 

She said bands, not straps, not paper. She meant rubber bands. She was contacted and asked. And as I have already said so was Mrs Ingram ... the common ENGLISH meaning of 'bank bands' is "rubber bands"

But, you will go ahead as you always do and reject this. You have a theory to invent. 

PS, the passage includes:

"The hijacker agreed with her suggestion and reached in and took out one package of the money, denominations not recalled by Mucklow, and he handed the (single) bundle of money to her! Mucklow states that she laughed and gave the money back to the hijacker stating ‘she was not permitted to accept gratuities’, or words to that effect."

There is nothing in this about Tina fingering, holding, touching, separating, individual bills. Her prints would only be on two bills, if that. Outside bills.

Georger - "She said bands, not straps, not paper. She meant rubber bands. She was contacted and asked. "

When was Tina contacted about the statement, "money packed in small packages with bank-type bands around each package"

Was she contacted? Did you just make it up? Were you told this?

Why can't you confirm it?

Were you mistaken or was it a lie?

A big to-do about nothing, FLYJACK.

What is, Georger making up a fact to back his opinion or your ignorance on the subject? or both..

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Georger -

There you go again - inventing what is not there. We all know that passage; it came up years ago and Ckret checked it out. We had to know. 

She said bands, not straps, not paper. She meant rubber bands. She was contacted and asked. And as I have already said so was Mrs Ingram ... the common ENGLISH meaning of 'bank bands' is "rubber bands"

But, you will go ahead as you always do and reject this. You have a theory to invent. 

PS, the passage includes:

"The hijacker agreed with her suggestion and reached in and took out one package of the money, denominations not recalled by Mucklow, and he handed the (single) bundle of money to her! Mucklow states that she laughed and gave the money back to the hijacker stating ‘she was not permitted to accept gratuities’, or words to that effect."

There is nothing in this about Tina fingering, holding, touching, separating, individual bills. Her prints would only be on two bills, if that. Outside bills.

Georger - "She said bands, not straps, not paper. She meant rubber bands. She was contacted and asked. "

When was Tina contacted about the statement, "money packed in small packages with bank-type bands around each package"

Was she contacted? Did you just make it up? Were you told this?

Why can't you confirm it?

Were you mistaken or was it a lie?

A big to-do about nothing, FLYJACK.

What is, Georger making up a fact to back his opinion or your ignorance on the subject? or both..

Perhaps you might want to stop calling long time posters ignorant. I’ve met Meyer and trust me, he’s not ignorant !

As a matter of fact, Meyer has a Doctorate in Mathematics and spends his working days teaching Mathematics.

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Georger -

There you go again - inventing what is not there. We all know that passage; it came up years ago and Ckret checked it out. We had to know. 

She said bands, not straps, not paper. She meant rubber bands. She was contacted and asked. And as I have already said so was Mrs Ingram ... the common ENGLISH meaning of 'bank bands' is "rubber bands"

But, you will go ahead as you always do and reject this. You have a theory to invent. 

PS, the passage includes:

"The hijacker agreed with her suggestion and reached in and took out one package of the money, denominations not recalled by Mucklow, and he handed the (single) bundle of money to her! Mucklow states that she laughed and gave the money back to the hijacker stating ‘she was not permitted to accept gratuities’, or words to that effect."

There is nothing in this about Tina fingering, holding, touching, separating, individual bills. Her prints would only be on two bills, if that. Outside bills.

Georger - "She said bands, not straps, not paper. She meant rubber bands. She was contacted and asked. "

When was Tina contacted about the statement, "money packed in small packages with bank-type bands around each package"

Was she contacted? Did you just make it up? Were you told this?

Why can't you confirm it?

Were you mistaken or was it a lie?

A big to-do about nothing, FLYJACK.

What is, Georger making up a fact to back his opinion or your ignorance on the subject? or both..

Perhaps you might want to stop calling long time posters ignorant. I’ve met Meyer and trust me, he’s not ignorant !

Perhaps you can explain why it is "A big to-do about nothing"...

He has no idea what the context is for Tina's statement and no idea what its relevance may be to the case.

His statement of dismissal is ignorant. He only made it to defend Georger, he really doesn't understand that issue.

I actually only asked the question but don't expect an answer..

Just the facts, then:

Re: Tina Mucklow and the money bands, this is from the FBI interview:

"... the contents Miss Mucklow said she observed was money packed in small packages with bank-type bands around each package."

This is the Citizen Sleuths' rubber band analysis from the Tina Bar find: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

I do not know what Mucklow meant by "bank-type bands",  or even "packages" for that matter rather than "bundles" . Trendall of the Seattle First National Bank in his FBI interview also used the word "packages" . "Trendall states that the bank packs $20 bills in packages of $1000. Each packet therefore contains $2000 worth of $20 bills. Trendall provided the first and last serial number in each of these $20 bill packets..."

That's actually the first time I noticed they used "packets" and "packages" rather than "bundles". Almost as if they were in envelopes or paper, though I think someone would have mentioned if they were.

Brian Ingram says here that the rubber bands didn't so much break as "turn to powder". You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

The significance of the bands, as I understand it, would be that that type of rubber band can only stay intact a certain number of years in the elements, a shorter period of time than the 9 years that would have elapsed before the money was found, so could indicate whether the money merely fell or was buried, and if the latter, when it would have had to be buried (burial does not necessarily indicate plant, just a logical stashing of money that would have made him very conspicuous carrying around after the jump). Moreover, if there was a discrepancy between the type of bands Tina observed (I don't think we have access to this info beyond "bank bands") and the rubber bands observed by the Ingrams, that could indicate a "processing" of the bills between 1971 and 1980. At the moment, though, no one seems to have access to any clarifying info on the bands' or bills' original state, so like everything to do with the T-Bar money find, it's pretty much moot.

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and then.....

and then sometime in 1972 the FBI Cooper narrative shifted from an expert jumper to an amateur who died in the jump...

but let's look at the first lie.. the 303 grand reported in media and by the FBI including its entire and secret recovery in Florida one year later.

1 lb = 490 bills

Cooper $200,000 = 10000(9998) x $20  bills = 20.4 lbs

Claim - Hahneman had requested large bills and was given $100 bills.. that is all they could get in short notice.
$303,000 = 3030 x $100 bills = 6.18 lbs

Claim - Hahneman rejected it and demanded larger bills, the plane circled for 5 hours.. He received $500 and $1000 bills and swapped the money.

$303,000 = 606 x $500 bills = 1.2 lbs (less if mixed with $1000 bills) that is a single stack of bills less than 3 inches high. Hahneman had an attache case on the plane and on the ground in Honduras.

Would a hijacker be dissatisfied with 6 lbs of cash only to have it reduced to 1 lb.. (Cooper ransom was 20.4 lbs)

Why,,  it is a lie, the total wasn't 303 grand it was much much higher.

The 303 grand may have been part of the ransom and it may have been recovered but it was a small fraction, NOT the total and the vast majority of it went somewhere, to somebody that was so embarrassing to the US they had to lie about it.. this was at the highest level State Department/CIA..


It has been really strange that the FBI has never mentioned any relationship positive or negative between NORJAK and the Hahneman hijacking. They have never shown any reason why Hahneman was not considered a suspect in NORJAK despite extremely strong similarities. They have said very little, it is as though the Hahneman hijacking never happened.