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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #300 on: July 16, 2014, 08:13:01 AM »
Although I didn't want any battles going on about Robert, I have asked him more than 4 times on DZ to prove things Coop said were wrong. he only responds by stating he talks to him frequently. he likes to play the sympathy game, but DZ finally caught up to him by warning him about personal attacks. something he constantly claims is directed at him.

I asked him a while ago if Skipps name will be on the free issue, he replied yes. I'm still not sure what he is doing with the book, or why it's being taken out of sales. I thought it was because of Skipp, or someone else involved who no longer wants any part of the book. this would cause the book to be redone once again. the cost would not justify it remaining in sales. I guess we will find out sooner or later.
 

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« Reply #301 on: July 16, 2014, 03:13:34 PM »
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Although I didn't want any battles going on about Robert, I have asked him more than 4 times on DZ to prove things Coop said were wrong. he only responds by stating he talks to him frequently. he likes to play the sympathy game, but DZ finally caught up to him by warning him about personal attacks. something he constantly claims is directed at him.

I asked him a while ago if Skipps name will be on the free issue, he replied yes. I'm still not sure what he is doing with the book, or why it's being taken out of sales. I thought it was because of Skipp, or someone else involved who no longer wants any part of the book. this would cause the book to be redone once again. the cost would not justify it remaining in sales. I guess we will find out sooner or later.

Well ... the only thing that matters (to me) is the truth of his case: that KC was Cooper. I think RMB has not assembled a consistent, truthful case. Moreover, every time one of RMB's so-called facts or witnesses is examined it turns out RMB has misrepresented the facts (and people's actual testimony)! And I am being charitable in this! The reality of RMB's soap opera is probably worse than any of us knows! Blevins has also made it 100% clear this is not just his work but the work of a number of people who call themselves Adventure Books of Seattle, a literal subsidiary of something called: R & G Housecleaning! RMB keeps calling it an "Investigation"! It appears to me to be a 'Committee of the Absurd' which has no real direction or charter, but who keep throwing allegations and personal attacks and claims against a wall, hoping something will stick and grab the attention of what RMB calls "the wage earner sheeple of Amerika'! This isn't an investigation. It's a circus of the absurd!

I just hope everyone here is well-enough informed to know this is not the first time something like this has happened in so-called 'Cooperland'. The Myers-Dvorak debacle over Teddy Mayfield was one previous example. Paul ________ at Vancouver also supporting Kenny was another example. The whole Duane Weber fiasco is another. It goes on and on and on. Marla?

What happens if some day some Cooper twenties actually do turn up in some attic in some old house in Ohio? Then Cooper romantics will be off on one more frantic chase. I don't see that scenario as any more far-fetched than claiming Teddy Mayfield or Kenny Christiansen were DB Cooper?

NEW!: does anyone know how Kenny pronounced his own name 'Christ'-iansen' vs. 'Christiansen' vs. 'Christian-sohn'?  How do Lyle and the other 'Christiansen(s) in that family pronounce their own name? RMB thought I was kidding when I brought Kenny's speech phonology up. I wasn't! Why? Because another "Christiansen" born and raised in MN brought the matter up. Remember Cooper had a "midwestern" accent according to Carr, which is the same as saying "no accent at all" as judged by Tina, Flo, and the crew who heard him talk. I don't have the answer - I don't even pretend to have the answer to this. But another "Christiansen" wonders, and that got me to wondering ... 'christ' iansen', two syllables with a soft 'i' as in 'cyst' in the first syllable 'christ'. ?  But, RMB doesn't want to get into that - he says it's self-evident to him and should be to everyone else. He may be correct but how does anyone know unless someone asks? Not everything is a plot and a conspiracy!(funny)

     
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #302 on: July 16, 2014, 04:18:43 PM »
If Kenny sounded anything like Lyle, I think it would be similar to the lion on the wizard of oz. (put'em up, put'em up) I seriously doubt Kenny could be convincing enough to be tough in a dangerous situation. jumping from a zip line years ago will hardly train you to drop right by the accomplice, or should I say, Bernie.

No, he has not shown a consistent story. when truth is revealed he gets all bent out shape and turns it against the person who questions the evidence. they use these tactics in politics.
 

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« Reply #303 on: July 16, 2014, 04:35:52 PM »
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Although I didn't want any battles going on about Robert, I have asked him more than 4 times on DZ to prove things Coop said were wrong. he only responds by stating he talks to him frequently. he likes to play the sympathy game, but DZ finally caught up to him by warning him about personal attacks. something he constantly claims is directed at him.

I asked him a while ago if Skipps name will be on the free issue, he replied yes. I'm still not sure what he is doing with the book, or why it's being taken out of sales. I thought it was because of Skipp, or someone else involved who no longer wants any part of the book. this would cause the book to be redone once again. the cost would not justify it remaining in sales. I guess we will find out sooner or later.

Did NWA and the FBI look at, interview, consider, inspect, examine, investigate ... employees of NWA? RMB claims they did not. I specifically asked Bruce Kitt about this. Bruce said "yes, that has always been my understanding" . I asked Bruce: "Do you have those NWA investigation  records". Bruce replied, "No! Those NWA records have never been made public and did not pass to Delta when Delta purchased NWA". I asked: "How sure are you NWA employees were investigated either by NWA or the FBI". Bruce replied: "I’m sure. That has always been my understanding" and Bruce did not elaborate further except to say: "My job as NWA historian is not to look for Cooper suspects.  I already have more than enough on my hands ...." I asked Bruce: "Well do you ever plan to try and get those NWA Cooper hijacking records which would detail the NWA investigation into the Cooper hijacking?", and Bruce replied, "I have talked to a few people about that but I'm just not in a position to talk about it now". So I asked Bruce: "Do you think Kenny Christiansen was DB Cooper?", and Bruce replied: "No. And I told Mr. Meltzer that. We had a discussion about that and Brad conveyed that on to the producer who was not happy to hear that and …â€

Bruce went on to restate that NWA had its own security system, which along with the FBI looked at NWA employees after the Cooper hijacking. I asked Bruce, "Was Kenny C. investigated at that time?" Bruce replied: "I don't know because I don't have those records to examine ...".



     
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« Reply #304 on: July 16, 2014, 04:40:16 PM »
They were on the hook for the money. they would be stupid not to look at an inside job. it just doesn't calculate anyway you look at it. you hit another core with Robert doing this call. it obviously interfered with his goal. since he couldn't block the statement, he then pulls the confidential card on the whole thing.

The last post made by Yellow is showing me you were correct on who you think it is :)
 

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« Reply #305 on: July 16, 2014, 04:50:40 PM »
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If Kenny sounded anything like Lyle, I think it would be similar to the lion on the wizard of oz. (put'em up, put'em up) I seriously doubt Kenny could be convincing enough to be tough in a dangerous situation. jumping from a zip line years ago will hardly train you to drop right by the accomplice, or should I say, Bernie.

No, he has not shown a consistent story. when truth is revealed he gets all bent out shape and turns it against the person who questions the evidence. they use these tactics in politics.

Yes. I know the routine - well.

Actually Myers and Dvorak were a lot more tolerant/saavy. They were absolutely convinced that that Mayfield was Cooper - they went public with it on media in Washington - but they never launched personal attacks on anyone who disagreed or questioned their work. Blevins, in contrast, has been savage in that respect.

Dvorak (I think it was) was suddenly killed in an auto accident and the whole Mayfield thing ended abruptly. Mayfield was actually the Mayor of his community when this started, so he publicly responded!

All things considered, the Myers/Dvorak episode was almost polite by current standards!
 
 

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« Reply #306 on: July 16, 2014, 04:52:47 PM »
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If Kenny sounded anything like Lyle, I think it would be similar to the lion on the wizard of oz. (put'em up, put'em up) I seriously doubt Kenny could be convincing enough to be tough in a dangerous situation. jumping from a zip line years ago will hardly train you to drop right by the accomplice, or should I say, Bernie.

No, he has not shown a consistent story. when truth is revealed he gets all bent out shape and turns it against the person who questions the evidence. they use these tactics in politics.

Yes. I know the routine - well.

Actually Myers and Dvorak were a lot more tolerant/saavy. They were absolutely convinced that that Mayfield was Cooper - they went public with it on media in Washington - but they never launched personal attacks on anyone who disagreed or questioned their work. Blevins, in contrast, has been savage in that respect.

Dvorak (I think it was) was suddenly killed in an auto accident and the whole Mayfield thing ended abruptly. Mayfield was actually the Mayor of his community when this started, so he publicly responded!

All things considered, the Myers/Dvorak episode was almost polite by current standards!


Did Teddy ever do anything legal against those guys?
 

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« Reply #307 on: July 16, 2014, 04:58:33 PM »
Georger's and Shutter's comments bring these two things to light:

1)  Robert Blevins seems to surround himself with people who cannot be reached, or weigh-in on their own about DBC/KC.  Certainly, Skipp Porteous is Exhibit A.  But how about all of these other "invisible people" who Robert constantly refers to.  The only one that ever weighed-in was Gayla, who posted under an assumed name and was tossed off the forum by Quade.  Where are all of the others?  And why don't they rush to Blevin's defense?  Do they exist in real life, or are they a figment of Mr. Blevin's mind?

2)  I now recall another bit of the radio interview that Mike Fitzsimmons conducted live with Lyle Christianson and myself in November 2007.   Fitzsimmons asked Lyle why he was addressing the Ken Christiaanson story in 2007, and not much earlier, such as the early 1990's.   Lyle response was, "because I'm now retired and had a chance to think about it.  And, I always liked the movie 'Sleepless in Seattle' and thought that the director could do another story similar, but this time with my brother Ken in it, who happens to live in the Seattle area."    Mike Fitzsimmons looked at me in the KXLY radio studio and rolled his eyes.
 

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« Reply #308 on: July 16, 2014, 05:16:06 PM »
As far as I can tell, the people are real. I've been checking records for a while, along with a few others that have been interested in validating anything of value. we have uncovered a lot that was considered truthful, and confirmed! we are currently looking into to one of the witnesses now. things are surfacing that I don't think Robert was aware of, but we will have a better look at this once the County records are searched. you can only go back so far online. that's what it's all about, confirming a story. I have a feeling lots of things are being said out of context. Robert has shown this many times over the years. this is a direct reason to look into it, and confirm anything said. it has nothing to do with what he tries to make it out to be. I did the same with Marla.


I doubt half of these people know exactly what he is doing online. I can't see them all agreeing to his actions? but then again if you look at the comments on Amazon.com, he shows the same behavior by battling with people on there just as he does on DZ. I think it's in very bad taste to reply to negative comments on a website where you are selling products.
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« Reply #309 on: July 16, 2014, 08:03:50 PM »
The thing about Blevins is that his understanding of the DB Cooper case is confused at best.  He doesn't know how the various details of the mystery really fit together because he hasn't bothered to read prior research with any real comprehension.  He throws events of the DBC case out of context and out of the critical timelines.    He's certainly not an investigator with skills.  His inability to make linkages and connections to the case, from details researched by others, is a demonstration of this inability.  He relies on one or two things about Ken Christianson to make his case, as well as his appearance 'one time' on a tv show that was more of a spoof than anything else.  Little wonder why the FBI ignors Blevins.  Guys like Georger have pretty much diluted Blevins participation as a viable inquestor of the facts.  Even with the already researched and known facts out on the table, Blevins is still able to get things wrong, and that's why his comments are endlessly ridiculed and snickered at.  It's hard to get serious attention when you are continually placed on the defensive.
 

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« Reply #310 on: July 16, 2014, 08:18:30 PM »
I have a friend similar to what Robert does. they take the worse case, and the best case in everything. nothing in between. he is taking things such as the description of Cooper by one of the passengers who gave a height lower than whats on the actual description. I constantly tell him that the descriptions from the passengers differ for the simple fact of not having a reason to remember him. he also goes by police sketches that end up being off. this is due to crimes that lasted seconds, to minutes. this is a much different case. people were with him for hours.

I can't tell you the car in front of me getting gas today, but if he came out shooting, and then took off. it would be a different story.
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« Reply #311 on: July 16, 2014, 11:39:14 PM »
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If Kenny sounded anything like Lyle, I think it would be similar to the lion on the wizard of oz. (put'em up, put'em up) I seriously doubt Kenny could be convincing enough to be tough in a dangerous situation. jumping from a zip line years ago will hardly train you to drop right by the accomplice, or should I say, Bernie.

No, he has not shown a consistent story. when truth is revealed he gets all bent out shape and turns it against the person who questions the evidence. they use these tactics in politics.

Yes. I know the routine - well.

Actually Myers and Dvorak were a lot more tolerant/saavy. They were absolutely convinced that that Mayfield was Cooper - they went public with it on media in Washington - but they never launched personal attacks on anyone who disagreed or questioned their work. Blevins, in contrast, has been savage in that respect.

Dvorak (I think it was) was suddenly killed in an auto accident and the whole Mayfield thing ended abruptly. Mayfield was actually the Mayor of his community when this started, so he publicly responded!

All things considered, the Myers/Dvorak episode was almost polite by current standards!


Did Teddy ever do anything legal against those guys?

No! He was pissed that his life was on display but according to one of the Jones of Vancouver-Tacoma (one of our family lines) it never entered Ted's mind to sue Myers-Dvorak, then it all ended rather quickly. Ted had skeletons in his closet and he had called Himmelsbach the night of the hijacking, according to Teddy to 'offer his services' and assure Himmelsbach the hijacker was not him .... and like KC, Ted does not remotely fit the profile. The whole thing now is an historical anecdote, unless someone brings it all back up. I thought Myers-Dvorak went waaaaaaay over board. When RMB came along I immediately wondered if we were seeing another Myers-Dvorak type inquisition, I even posted to that effect, but it nmever occurred to me we would be here four years later still discussing it! Life can striek twice.


 
 

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« Reply #312 on: July 16, 2014, 11:47:09 PM »
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As far as I can tell, the people are real. I've been checking records for a while, along with a few others that have been interested in validating anything of value. we have uncovered a lot that was considered truthful, and confirmed! we are currently looking into to one of the witnesses now. things are surfacing that I don't think Robert was aware of, but we will have a better look at this once the County records are searched. you can only go back so far online. that's what it's all about, confirming a story. I have a feeling lots of things are being said out of context. Robert has shown this many times over the years. this is a direct reason to look into it, and confirm anything said. it has nothing to do with what he tries to make it out to be. I did the same with Marla.


I doubt half of these people know exactly what he is doing online. I can't see them all agreeing to his actions? but then again if you look at the comments on Amazon.com, he shows the same behavior by battling with people on there just as he does on DZ. I think it's in very bad taste to reply to negative comments on a website where you are selling products.

I have wondered about that myself: whether his witnesses are remotely aware of his internet activity and what he has been saying the last four years. Bruce Kitt seemed totally unaware of it and off guard. He doesn't know me from Adam but we were able to piece together a pretty good conversation out of the blue! After introducing myself it flashed through my mind if he would take anything I was saying seriously - I half expected him to hang up! Then I thought: 'he will either stay in this conversation or he will think I am some nut case and hang up'. I was at a distinct disadvantage even calling him and I realised that ... and appreciate him talk to me. Underneath it all I didn;'t even want to be getting involved in this!   
 

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« Reply #313 on: July 17, 2014, 12:57:58 AM »
What's interesting, Georger, is that there are some people like Blevins who throw themselves into a storyline as though they are the real actors.  They play this out in a fantasy and expound on details that aren't factual, but allow just enough of storyline to make themselves feel as though they are participants.  I know that psychiatrists have presented these kinds of psycholigical disturbances in their research and some people refer to it as the "Walter Mitty Syndrome." 
 

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« Reply #314 on: July 17, 2014, 09:49:04 AM »
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As far as I can tell, the people are real. I've been checking records for a while, along with a few others that have been interested in validating anything of value. we have uncovered a lot that was considered truthful, and confirmed! we are currently looking into to one of the witnesses now. things are surfacing that I don't think Robert was aware of, but we will have a better look at this once the County records are searched. you can only go back so far online. that's what it's all about, confirming a story. I have a feeling lots of things are being said out of context. Robert has shown this many times over the years. this is a direct reason to look into it, and confirm anything said. it has nothing to do with what he tries to make it out to be. I did the same with Marla.


I doubt half of these people know exactly what he is doing online. I can't see them all agreeing to his actions? but then again if you look at the comments on Amazon.com, he shows the same behavior by battling with people on there just as he does on DZ. I think it's in very bad taste to reply to negative comments on a website where you are selling products.

I have wondered about that myself: whether his witnesses are remotely aware of his internet activity and what he has been saying the last four years. Bruce Kitt seemed totally unaware of it and off guard. He doesn't know me from Adam but we were able to piece together a pretty good conversation out of the blue! After introducing myself it flashed through my mind if he would take anything I was saying seriously - I half expected him to hang up! Then I thought: 'he will either stay in this conversation or he will think I am some nut case and hang up'. I was at a distinct disadvantage even calling him and I realised that ... and appreciate him talk to me. Underneath it all I didn;'t even want to be getting involved in this!   

One thing you have to say is Robert totally believes his story.  Not only that, he believes that when he lays out his facts everyone should see it just as clearly as he does.  Therefore, someone who disagrees either has an ax to grind, is a liar or is just jealous.

That being said, Robert's account of his relationship with Skip rings true.  Skip wanted to write a book and he didn't have anything besides some interviews with Lyle and Ratazcak.  Robert agreed to do the leg work of adding more witnesses presumably in exchange for half the proceeds.  Their relationship appears to be nothing more than professional (all agree they never met in person).

I think it's Porteous who looks bad for the "Blast" book.  This man is professional private investigator and not only put his name on, but also wrote a preface for a book which makes claims about financial largess, buying houses for cash and lending a lot of money to near strangers.  This book accepts witness' statements at face value and does not do even cursory research into property records.  This is information Shutter and Smokin99 were able to uncover using internet searches.  Doesn't reflect well on Skip as a PI, I don't think.