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Frederick W Hahneman jumped near Yoro Honduras and walked 10km to a road..

if Cooper survived and walked 10km that is a big area..


Interesting that Yoro Honduras is a valley about 200m higher than "Ariel" and the LZ terrain is very similar to the Cooper LZ, mixed rolling ag fields and patchy forest..

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Odd thing,,  Hahneman claimed to have terminal cancer and as a "dual" Honduran citizen there was no formal extradition, he could have stayed in Honduras but surrendered to be returned to the US. (probably because he thought he had terminal cancer)

Talking to a US Marine after his surrender, he claimed "terminal cancer" the motive was "to do one last thing for Honduras" and "you can forget about the money. You'll never see it again" and "he was fed up with anarchy around the world and the suffering of people".

A year later the money was recovered with no details. It was recovered in 1973 by COMMISSIONER
WILLIAM L.  REED OF THE FDLE who resigned later that year joined the FBI.

The FBI agent on the case WILLIAM M.  ALEXANDER had previously been placed on probation for "cooking the books".
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Does he have any family left that would submit to a dna test?

That would be entertaining, he does have children in the US.

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Frederick W Hahneman jumped near Yoro Honduras and walked 10km to a road..

if Cooper survived and walked 10km that is a big area..


Interesting that Yoro Honduras is a valley about 200m higher than "Ariel" and the LZ terrain is very similar to the Cooper LZ, mixed rolling ag fields and patchy forest..

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Odd thing,,  Hahneman claimed to have terminal cancer and as a "dual" Honduran citizen there was no formal extradition, he could have stayed in Honduras but surrendered to be returned to the US. (probably because he thought he had terminal cancer)

Talking to a US Marine after his surrender, he claimed "terminal cancer" the motive was "to do one last thing for Honduras" and "you can forget about the money. You'll never see it again" and "he was fed up with anarchy around the world and the suffering of people".

A year later the money was recovered with no details. It was recovered in 1973 by COMMISSIONER
WILLIAM L.  REED OF THE FDLE who resigned later that year joined the FBI.

The FBI agent on the case WILLIAM M.  ALEXANDER had previously been placed on probation for "cooking the books".
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Does he have any family left that would submit to a dna test?

That would be entertaining, he does have children in the US.

Good! There you go - get to it! He's either in or he's out. The FBI would be hard pressed to ignore a sample laid at their door. 

forgot to add,, 

when Hahneman was brought before a Judge in Florida, he claimed that he had only $1000 to his name so he received a court-appointed lawyer..

RE: Hahneman's height discrepancy..

The witnesses described the hijacker as about 5’ 10” but after Hahneman was identified by the FBI they issued a description of 5' 8”.

Based on the following, it is likely that the FBI got the 5’ 8” number from his passport, the press image also looked like a passport image.


"FBI agent Barry A. Muir of Alexandria showed the FBI began with information supplied by witnesses aboard the jetliner and then checked the federal record center in St. Louis and the U.S. passport office at the State Department. The witnesses reported that the hijacker said during the flight that his father was of German extraction and was buried in New Orleans, that his mother was Honduran and that he was employed by the Philco Corp. The hijacker was said to have asked if the 727 was equipped with X-band radar and spoke knowledgeably of radar and aircraft as well as the geography of Central and South America. On the basis of this information, the FBI found a Frederick William Hahneman who had served in the Army from April 19, 1943, to March 19, 1946, as a radar operator and a flight crew man. The records noted Hahneman's father died in New Orleans. Passport office records showed Hahneman was born July 5, 1922, at Puerto Castilla, Honduras, and his occupation had been radio, electrical and communications engineer. Five of the Eastern crew members picked him out positively as the hijacker when shown Hahneman's photograph along with those of other while males.”


Passport heights are self reported and rounded or truncated, not precise. Therefore, not accurate. Passport height does not include shoe height.

In fact, I have used 5’ 8” on my passport but in dress shoes I am 5’ 10 1/4”..  Dress shoes add 3/4” -1 1/2” and I am actually 5’ 8 3/4”.. without shoes.


Conclusion: You can’t eliminate Hahneman based on the FBI reported height of 5’ 8” if it came from his passport. That number is not accurate enough and doesn’t account for shoes.


That doesn’t prove Hahneman was Cooper, it just means he can’t be eliminated on that single data-point.

If the FBI did eliminate on that data-point it would have been an error. I doubt that was it though.


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Moreover see below. You are really good!

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RE: Hahneman's height discrepancy..

The witnesses described the hijacker as about 5’ 10” but after Hahneman was identified by the FBI they issued a description of 5' 8”.

Based on the following, it is likely that the FBI got the 5’ 8” number from his passport, the press image also looked like a passport image.


"FBI agent Barry A. Muir of Alexandria showed the FBI began with information supplied by witnesses aboard the jetliner and then checked the federal record center in St. Louis and the U.S. passport office at the State Department. The witnesses reported that the hijacker said during the flight that his father was of German extraction and was buried in New Orleans, that his mother was Honduran and that he was employed by the Philco Corp. The hijacker was said to have asked if the 727 was equipped with X-band radar and spoke knowledgeably of radar and aircraft as well as the geography of Central and South America. On the basis of this information, the FBI found a Frederick William Hahneman who had served in the Army from April 19, 1943, to March 19, 1946, as a radar operator and a flight crew man. The records noted Hahneman's father died in New Orleans. Passport office records showed Hahneman was born July 5, 1922, at Puerto Castilla, Honduras, and his occupation had been radio, electrical and communications engineer. Five of the Eastern crew members picked him out positively as the hijacker when shown Hahneman's photograph along with those of other while males.”


Passport heights are self reported and rounded or truncated, not precise. Therefore, not accurate. Passport height does not include shoe height.

In fact, I have used 5’ 8” on my passport but in dress shoes I am 5’ 10 1/4”..  Dress shoes add 3/4” -1 1/2” and I am actually 5’ 8 3/4”.. without shoes.


Conclusion: You can’t eliminate Hahneman based on the FBI reported height of 5’ 8” if it came from his passport. That number is not accurate enough and doesn’t account for shoes.


That doesn’t prove Hahneman was Cooper, it just means he can’t be eliminated on that single data-point.

If the FBI did eliminate on that data-point it would have been an error. I doubt that was it though.


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I do like Hahneman as a suspect and in his case there is reason to believe that he may have been taller than 5'8. I do also think that it is a bad precedent to consider a short Cooper. In Hahneman's case I would want to know why the FBI would have eliminated him as a suspect. If it was for being to short based on the passport then I believe that it was a mistake.

1. At least he's a real (not made up) candidate.
2. He was considered by the FBI. He isn't Harry from Contrary proposed by Marvin at the local Legion using mind control and memories ... he said vs she said.
3. Height is an issue.  As are all other physical/forensic parameters. 

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1. AT 1500 HOURS MAR 4, STEWART DITZEN OF PHILADELPHIA
BULLETIN CALLED AMB SANCHEZ AND ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT
RECOVERY OF WILLIAM HAHNEMAN RANSOM MONEY IN EAL SKY-
JACKING. HE IS DEVELOPING STORY AS TO HOW MONEY WAS
RETURNED IN MAY 1973. AMB SANCHEZ ADVISED THAT ALL
OF HAHNEMAN DEVELOPMENTS, INCLUDING MONEY RECOVERY,
TOOK PLACE BEFORE HIS ARRIVAL IN HONDURAS.

2. DITZEN SAID HE HAD DISCUSSED CASE WITH EX-CONSUL
MCLEAN (NOW RETIRED) AND WITH AMB RYAN. HE ASKED IF
THERE WERE ANYONE ELSE AT POST WHO WAS FAMILIAR WITH
CASE AND WAS REFERRED TO DCM DAVIS. DITZEN SAID
HE WAS INTERESTED IN DETAILS OF RETURN OF MONEY
AND ASKED WHAT DAVIS KNEW. DAVIS SAID HE COULD
NOT COMMENT ON MATTER, THAT FBI AND FLORIDA CRIME
CONFIDENTIAL

CONFIDENTIAL

PAGE 02  TEGUCI 00913  042211Z

COMMISSION HAD MADE SOME STATEMENT, DETAILS OF WHICH
HE COULD NOT EXACTLY REMEMBER. DITZEN SAID THAT
STATEMENT MERELY SAID ALL THE MONEY WAS RECOVERED
AND WAS "BARE BONES." DAVIS CONFIRMED THAT AS HIS
GENERAL RECOLLECTION. DITZEN ASKED WHETHER DAVIS WAS
UNKNOWING, OR SIMPLY WOULD NOT COMMENT, AND WHETHER
EMBASSY HAD PLAYED ANY ROLE IN EPISODE OF MONEY RECOVERY.
DAVIS REPLIED THAT THE FBI STATEMENT WAS THE GOVERNMENT
INFORMATION ON THE SUBJECT, AND IT WOULD HAVE TO STAND
BY ITSELF. DITZEN NOTED HE HAD HOPED FOR MORE COOPERA-
TION, BUT RANG OFF WITHOUT PRESSING POINT FURTHER.
SANCHEZ


CONFIDENTIAL

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MANAGUA FOR LEGATT

1.   FOLLOWING IS FULL TEXT OF PRESS RELEASE ON THIS SUBJECT
ISSUED IN JACKSONVILLE,  FLORIDA ON MAY 8:   QUOTE:
" THE MONEY PAID IN CONNECTION WITH THE HIJACKING OF AN
EASTERN AIRLINES FLIGHT IN MAY OF 1972  HAS BEEN RECOVERED
AFTER AN EXTENSIVE AND EXHAUSTIVE JOINT INVESTIGATION BY
THE FBI AND THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT
( FDLE).
" WILLIAM M.  ALEXANDER,  SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE OF THE
UNCLASSIFIED

UNCLASSIFIED

PAGE 02   STATE  088847

JACKSONVILLE,  FLORIDA,  OFFICE OF THE FBI,  AND COMMISSIONER
WILLIAM L.  REED OF THE FDLE,  IN A JOINT RELEASE TODAY,
ANNOUNCED THAT THE DOLS 303,000  WHICH HAD BEEN PAID TO
FREDERICK WILLIAM HAHNEMAN ON MAY 5,  L972,  AT DULLES
INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT,  CHANTILLY,  VIRGINIA,  IN CONNECTION
WITH THE HIJACKING OF EASTERN AIRLINES FLIGHT 175  FROM
ALLENTOWN,  PENNSYLVANIA,  TO MIAMI,  FLORIDA,  HAS BEEN
RECOVERED BY AGENTS OF THE FDLE AND THE JACKSONVILLE OFFICE
OF THE FBI.

" UPON RECOVERY OF THE MONEY,  A CHECK WAS MADE OF THE
NATIONAL CRIME INFORMATION CENTER,  FBI HEADQUARTERS,
WASHINGTON,  D.  C.,  WHICH DETERMINED THE SERIAL NUMBERS
TALLIED WITH THE RANSOM MONEY PAID IN CONNECTION WITH THE
HIJACKING.

" ON MAY 5, 1972,  EASTERN AIRLINES FLIGHT 175  WAS
HIJACKED BY A LONE ARMED GUNMAN WHO DEMANDED AND RECEIVED
DOLS 303,000,  PARACHUTES,  JUMP SUITS,  HELMETS,  KNIVES,  AND
2,000  BENSON AND HEDGES CIGARETTES.   AFTER THE MONEY AND
EQUIPMENT HAD BEEN PLACED ABOARD THE AIRCRAFT,  THE
HIJACKER PERMITTED THE PASSENGERS AND ONE STEWARDESS TO
DEPLANE.   THE AIRCRAFT BEARING SIX CREW MEMBERS AND THE
HIJACKER THEN TOOK OFF AND LANDED AT NEW ORLEANS,
LOUISIANA,  WHERE THE HIJACKER AND SIX CREW MEMBERS BOARDED
ANOTHER AIRCRAFT.   DURING THE EARLY MORNING OF MAY 6, 1972,
OVER THE JUNGLES NEAR A SMALL TOWN OF YORO,  HONDURAS,  THE
HIJACKER BAILED OUT THROUGH THE LOWERED REAR DOOR.

" THE HIJACKER WAS LATER IDENTIFIED AS FREDERICK WILLIAM
HAHNEMAN,  A 49- YEAR- OLD EASTON,  PENNSYLVANIA,  MAN.   ON
JUNE 3, 1972,  HAHNEMAN SURRENDERED TO AUTHORITIES AT THE
AMERICAN EMBASSY IN HONDURAS AND HE WAS SUBSEQUENTLY
RETURNED TO THE UNITED STATES.   ON SEPTEMBER 29, 1972,
HAHNEMAN WAS SENTENCED IN U. S.  DISTRICT COURT,  ALEXANDRIA,
VIRGINIA,  TO LIFE IMPRISONMENT.

" ALEXANDER AND REED STATED THAT THE MONEY WAS BEING TURNED
OVER TO EASTERN AIRLINES OFFICIALS.

" THE FBI SAID THIS RECOVERY SHOWS THAT HIJACKING AN
UNCLASSIFIED

UNCLASSIFIED

PAGE 03   STATE  088847

AIRPLANE FOR EXTORTIONATE DEMANDS IS NOT VERY PROFITABLE.
SINCE JUNE 4, 1970,  THERE HAVE BEEN 27  HIJACKINGS WHEREIN
THE HIJACKERS'  EXTORTIONATE DEMANDS AMOUNTED TO DOLS
121,944,100  OF WHICH DOLS 6,656,250  WAS ACTUALLY PAID.
OF THE RANSOM DEMANDS PAID,  ONLY DOLS 2,200, OOO REMAINS
OUTSTANDING,  DOLS 2,000,000  OF WHICH IS PRESENTLY IN
LITIGATION IN CONNECTION WITH THE NOVEMBER 10, 1972,
HIJACKING OF A SOUTHERN AIRWAYS FLIGHT.   THE REMAINING
DOLS 200,000  WAS PAID TO A STILL UNIDENTIFIED HIJACKER
KNOWN ONLY AS D. B.  COOPER WHO HIJACKED A PLANE ON
THANKSGIVING EVE, 1971,  AND BAILED OUT SOMEWHERE OVER THE
STATES OF WASHINGTON OR OREGON.   THE DOLS 200,000  PAID TO
D. B.  COOPER IS THE ONLY MONEY UNACCOUNTED FOR."  UNQTE

2.   LEGATT MANAGUA WILL PROVIDE FURTHER DETAILS.    ROGERS


UNCLASSIFIED

Did Hahneman have an accent?

I think there is a claim in the media somewhere that he had a NY accent,,

and also "no accent"

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"A crew member, James Confalone, said the hijacker said he was dying of cancer. "He said he didn't care if the plane crashed because he had only six months anyway," Confalone said, STEWARDESS Madeleine Willet said the man "spoke English without an accent, but he looked Latin American."

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Did Hahneman have an accent?

I think there is a claim in the media somewhere that he had a NY accent,,

and also "no accent"

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"A crew member, James Confalone, said the hijacker said he was dying of cancer. "He said he didn't care if the plane crashed because he had only six months anyway," Confalone said, STEWARDESS Madeleine Willet said the man "spoke English without an accent, but he looked Latin American."

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So in regards to Hahneman:

-Was dressed in a business suit
-Smoker
-Engineer
-Latin descent but no accent (according to at least one witness)
-Did the hijacking just 7 months after Cooper

I'd be fascinated to know why the FBI dismissed him. Anything in the zillion pages of FBI files that offer a clue as to why? I can't imagine being too short would be enough to discredit him on just that alone.

Age 49..

Just found that there is a Cooper St. about 300m/328yds as the crow flies and 0.3 mile by road from Hahneman's home (1960-72) in Easton Pa.

He lived on James St and used the name George Ames for the EAL hijacking. (some Central American Spanish dialects do not pronounce the "J")

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Did Hahneman have an accent?

I think there is a claim in the media somewhere that he had a NY accent,,

and also "no accent"

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"A crew member, James Confalone, said the hijacker said he was dying of cancer. "He said he didn't care if the plane crashed because he had only six months anyway," Confalone said, STEWARDESS Madeleine Willet said the man "spoke English without an accent, but he looked Latin American."

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So in regards to Hahneman:

-Was dressed in a business suit
-Smoker
-Engineer
-Latin descent but no accent (according to at least one witness)
-Did the hijacking just 7 months after Cooper

I'd be fascinated to know why the FBI dismissed him. Anything in the zillion pages of FBI files that offer a clue as to why? I can't imagine being too short would be enough to discredit him on just that alone.

Age 49..

Just found that there is a Cooper St. about 300m/328yds as the crow flies and 0.3 mile by road from Hahneman's home (1960-72) in Easton Pa.

He lived on James St and used the name George Ames for the EAL hijacking. (some Central American Spanish dialects do not pronounce the "J")

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I've been paying attention to the Cooper case for about 5 years now and have come to know all the popular suspects from Kenny to Mayfield to gosset and everyone else but I hadn't even heard of Hahneman until seeing the recent posts about him here. Why isn't there more attention given to him considering how solid of a suspect he is? He seems a bit swept under the rug in comparison to many others.

Is Mucklow on record as having dismissed Hahneman?

Good question, I also ignored Hahneman assuming that the FBI must have had some legitimate reason to eliminate him, but when I started researching there is nothing on him from the FBI except that vague press release on the money recovery a year after the hijacking. I was amazed at how close a match he was to "Cooper". Too close to not know why he was eliminated. Remember, the FBI was actively looking but had also adopted the "Cooper died in the jump narrative".

Hahneman by any measure is the best Cooper suspect yet he is completely ignored. The FBI eliminated him for some reason back in 1972, pre DNA and pre tie particles. Back on DZ Snowmman asked FBI Agent Larry Carr why Hahneman was eliminated and never got an answer. It was dropped.

There may be a legit reason for eliminating Hahneman but you'd think that would be public. There is info on why other suspects were eliminated. FBI info on Hahneman is a "black hole".. << that makes me more suspicious

Hahneman lived on James St.. used George Ames for his hijacking (silent "J" some Central American Spanish, James = Ames)

Cooper St, is a few blocks from his house. If he was Cooper, did he get the name from the Street near his house??


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