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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2760 on: May 09, 2018, 03:02:56 PM »
I worked at Hughes. We made all kinds of radars, ground, air, even sat, and also many types of air to air and air to ground missiles (TOW, MAVERICK, AAMRAM, PHOENIX etc).

I do recall that Huey Cobra helos carried TOW missiles. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

I don't recall Bismuth or pure Titanium being used in any radar or missile gear. Alloyed Titanium was used a lot, for high strength and low weight. We used it in FLIRS, Image Intensifier turret structures (INFANT).  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

The pure Titanium, to me, is a narrowing clue. It wasn't a common ingredient in that era.

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« Reply #2761 on: May 09, 2018, 04:37:54 PM »
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I worked at Hughes. We made all kinds of radars, ground, air, even sat, and also many types of air to air and air to ground missiles (TOW, MAVERICK, AAMRAM, PHOENIX etc).

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I don't recall Bismuth or pure Titanium being used in any radar or missile gear. Alloyed Titanium was used a lot, for high strength and low weight. We used it in FLIRS, Image Intensifier turret structures (INFANT).  You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

The pure Titanium, to me, is a narrowing clue. It wasn't a common ingredient in that era.

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Disagree, CP TI was not "common" but it wasn't rare at all, it was even used in the 727 ducting and water systems.. also used as hangers, fasteners, cathodes and in many military applications, especially the Navy. Too common to nail down a specific exposure. Bismuth was also used in electronics and soldering.

The rare one is Yttrium and it was used in radar technology...

Without knowing the exact "equipment" Hahneman was in contact with the best you'll get is an environment consistent with the tie particles.

Still, only forensics can put him on that plane.. BUT, We need to know why he was discounted by the FBI?? They didn't have the tie info and back then, pre-DNA, eyewitness evidence was considered much more reliable than it should have been.. 

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« Reply #2762 on: May 09, 2018, 05:14:47 PM »
You are right about pure Titanium. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

Interesting that unalloyed Titanium was used on the JT8D jet engines that powered the 727 and many other same era jetliners. The JT8D-1 engine had 64 lbs of pure titanium in the inlet case alone.   

I stand corrected on pure Titanium use.

Yttrium remains a puzzler. It is used in color CRT phosphors and also for improving grain structure in magnesium, aluminum and titanium alloys, all of which are used on aircraft. 

Uses of yttrium

Yttrium and its compounds have a wide variety of uses. Yttrium oxide (Y2O3) accounts for the element’s largest use. The oxide, as well as yttrium vanadate (YVO4), is used with europium to make phosphors to create the red color in television tubes. Hundreds of thousands of pounds of yttrium oxide are used this way. It is also used to produce yttrium iron garnets, which are very effective microwave filters.

Yttrium iron, aluminum and gadolinium garnets, with formulas such as Y3Fe5O12 and Y3Al5O12, have useful magnetic properties. Yttrium iron garnet is exceptionally efficient as both a transmitter and transducer of acoustic energy. Yttrium aluminum garnet, with a hardness of 8.5, is sometimes used as a gemstone (substitute diamond).

Small amounts of yttrium (0.1 to 0.2 percent) can be used to reduce the grain size in chromium, molybdenum, zirconium and titanium, and to increase strength of aluminum and magnesium alloys. Alloys with other useful properties can be obtained by using yttrium as an additive. The metal can be used as a deoxidizer for vanadium and other nonferrous metals. It has a low cross section for nuclear capture. It has been considered for use as a nodulizer for producing nodular cast iron.

Yttrium can be used in laser systems and as a catalyst for ethylene polymerization reactions. It also has potential use in ceramic and glass formulas because as the oxide has a high melting point and imparts glass with shock resistance and low expansion characteristics.

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2763 on: May 09, 2018, 08:40:21 PM »
Hahneman claimed to have cancer and 6 months to live,,, he lived about 20 years longer..

The Cooper tie had Lycopodium Clavatum which is a pill lubricant also used as ingredient for homeopathy treatment of cancer..


My question for the Scientists is,, could some of the particles identified/detected on the tie be isotopes or not? (I have no idea)

If so, many were used for Cancer screening and some given orally.


found this news piece from 1966...


"Q - For what purpose is an injection of radioactive isotope used?

A - Several isotopes are used in diagnostic studies iodine 131 for the study of thyroid function; iron 59, chromium 51 and cobalt 60 to study some forms of anemia; gold 198 to test liver function; strontium 85 and calcium 68 to study bone cancer; gallium 68 and mercury 75 to study the pancreas; phosphorus 32 to detect some types of leukemia and Hodgkin's disease; magnesium 28 to study intestinal absorption; and Yttrium 90 to scan the prostrate, to name a few. Not all are injected. Some are given by mouth
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« Reply #2764 on: May 09, 2018, 11:47:14 PM »
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Hahneman claimed to have cancer and 6 months to live,,, he lived about 20 years longer..

The Cooper tie had Lycopodium Clavatum which is a pill lubricant also used as ingredient for homeopathy treatment of cancer..


My question for the Scientists is,, could some of the particles identified/detected on the tie be isotopes or not? (I have no idea)

If so, many were used for Cancer screening and some given orally.


found this news piece from 1966...


"Q - For what purpose is an injection of radioactive isotope used?

A - Several isotopes are used in diagnostic studies iodine 131 for the study of thyroid function; iron 59, chromium 51 and cobalt 60 to study some forms of anemia; gold 198 to test liver function; strontium 85 and calcium 68 to study bone cancer; gallium 68 and mercury 75 to study the pancreas; phosphorus 32 to detect some types of leukemia and Hodgkin's disease; magnesium 28 to study intestinal absorption; and Yttrium 90 to scan the prostrate, to name a few. Not all are injected. Some are given by mouth
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My question for the Scientists is,, could some of the particles identified/detected on the tie be isotopes or not? (I have no idea)

I tend to doubt that. I think Tom and Allen considered that option. Email Tom and ask.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2765 on: May 10, 2018, 01:06:08 PM »
Yttrium isotopes are used in cancer treatment, but I don't think properly treated patients would have traces on their tie.

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« Reply #2766 on: May 10, 2018, 05:58:17 PM »
I'll keep a lookout at "Chicago Med." Might be a plot line in the near future...
 

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« Reply #2767 on: May 13, 2018, 10:49:35 AM »
Found these Homeopathic remedies.. matches most tie particles..

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LYCOPODIUM CLAVATUM -Pills and cancer treatment

CERIUM OXYDATUM

LANTHANUM BROMATUM
LANTHANUM METALLICUM   
LANTHANUM MURIATICUM   
LANTHANUM OXYDATUM   
LANTHANUM SULPHURICUM


YTTRIUM CARBONICUM
YTTRIUM IODATUM   
YTTRIUM METALLICUM   
YTTRIUM MURIATICUM
YTTRIUM NITRICUM   
YTTRIUM OXYDATUM   
YTTRIUM PHOSPHORICUM   
YTTRIUM SULPHURATUM   
YTTRIUM SULPHURICUM


PHOSPHORUS


CADMIUM BROMATUM   
CADMIUM FLUORATUM
CADMIUM IODATUM
CADMIUM METALLICUM
CADMIUM MURIATICUM
CADMIUM NITRICUM   
CADMIUM OXYDATUM   
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CADMIUM SULPHURATUM   
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VANADIUM BROMATUM   
VANADIUM CARBONATUM
VANADIUM FLUORATUM
VANADIUM METALLICUM   
VANADIUM MURIATICUM   
VANADIUM SULPHURICUM


ANTIMONIUM ARSENICICUM
ANTIMONIUM CRUDUM
ANTIMONIUM IODATUM
ANTIMONIUM METALLICUM   
ANTIMONIUM MURIATICUM   
ANTIMONIUM OXYDATUM
ANTIMONIUM SULPHURATUM AUREUM
ANTIMONIUM TARTARICUM   


ZINCUM ARSENICOSUM
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ZINCUM MURIATICUM   
ZINCUM NITRICUM
ZINCUM OXYDATUM
ZINCUM PHOSPHORATUM
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ZINCUM PICRICUM
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TUNGSTEN
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TUNGSTEN SULPHURATUM


COBALTUM BROMATUM
COBALTUM CARBONICUM
COBALTUM IODATUM   
COBALTUM METALLICUM   
COBALTUM MURIATICUM
COBALTUM NITRICUM   
COBALTUM OXYDATUM
COBALTUM PHOSPHORICUM
COBALTUM SULPHURICUM


BISMUTH MURIATICUM
BISMUTHUM BROMATUM
BISMUTHUM IODATUM   
BISMUTHUM METALLICUM
BISMUTHUM OXYDATUM
BISMUTHUM PHOSPHORICUM
BISMUTHUM SUBNITRICUM


BARIUM SULPHATE
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2768 on: May 13, 2018, 02:53:05 PM »
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Found these Homeopathic remedies.. matches most tie particles..

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LYCOPODIUM CLAVATUM -Pills and cancer treatment

CERIUM OXYDATUM

LANTHANUM BROMATUM
LANTHANUM METALLICUM   
LANTHANUM MURIATICUM   
LANTHANUM OXYDATUM   
LANTHANUM SULPHURICUM


YTTRIUM CARBONICUM
YTTRIUM IODATUM   
YTTRIUM METALLICUM   
YTTRIUM MURIATICUM
YTTRIUM NITRICUM   
YTTRIUM OXYDATUM   
YTTRIUM PHOSPHORICUM   
YTTRIUM SULPHURATUM   
YTTRIUM SULPHURICUM


PHOSPHORUS


CADMIUM BROMATUM   
CADMIUM FLUORATUM
CADMIUM IODATUM
CADMIUM METALLICUM
CADMIUM MURIATICUM
CADMIUM NITRICUM   
CADMIUM OXYDATUM   
CADMIUM PHOSPHORICUM   
CADMIUM SULPHURATUM   
CADMIUM SULPHURICUM


VANADIUM BROMATUM   
VANADIUM CARBONATUM
VANADIUM FLUORATUM
VANADIUM METALLICUM   
VANADIUM MURIATICUM   
VANADIUM SULPHURICUM


ANTIMONIUM ARSENICICUM
ANTIMONIUM CRUDUM
ANTIMONIUM IODATUM
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ANTIMONIUM TARTARICUM   


ZINCUM ARSENICOSUM
ZINCUM BROMATUM   
ZINCUM CARBONICUM   
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ZINCUM OXYDATUM
ZINCUM PHOSPHORATUM
ZINCUM PHOSPHORICUM   
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TUNGSTEN
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COBALTUM BROMATUM
COBALTUM CARBONICUM
COBALTUM IODATUM   
COBALTUM METALLICUM   
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COBALTUM OXYDATUM
COBALTUM PHOSPHORICUM
COBALTUM SULPHURICUM


BISMUTH MURIATICUM
BISMUTHUM BROMATUM
BISMUTHUM IODATUM   
BISMUTHUM METALLICUM
BISMUTHUM OXYDATUM
BISMUTHUM PHOSPHORICUM
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I would run this by a pharmacologist and see what he thinks.  Maybe Cooper's grudge was that he dying of some condition contracted through exposures in his work or life experience? He may have decided to make a statement which left a historical mark beyond anything intended.   

Sailshaw is essentially right: the system left its own historical imprint, perhaps bigger than anything Cooper himself intended or anticipated.  (The act of defiance that launched a thousand ships).   
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2769 on: May 13, 2018, 03:08:26 PM »
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LYCOPODIUM CLAVATUM -Pills and cancer treatment

CERIUM OXYDATUM

LANTHANUM BROMATUM
LANTHANUM METALLICUM   
LANTHANUM MURIATICUM   
LANTHANUM OXYDATUM   
LANTHANUM SULPHURICUM


YTTRIUM CARBONICUM
YTTRIUM IODATUM   
YTTRIUM METALLICUM   
YTTRIUM MURIATICUM
YTTRIUM NITRICUM   
YTTRIUM OXYDATUM   
YTTRIUM PHOSPHORICUM   
YTTRIUM SULPHURATUM   
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PHOSPHORUS


CADMIUM BROMATUM   
CADMIUM FLUORATUM
CADMIUM IODATUM
CADMIUM METALLICUM
CADMIUM MURIATICUM
CADMIUM NITRICUM   
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VANADIUM FLUORATUM
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ANTIMONIUM ARSENICICUM
ANTIMONIUM CRUDUM
ANTIMONIUM IODATUM
ANTIMONIUM METALLICUM   
ANTIMONIUM MURIATICUM   
ANTIMONIUM OXYDATUM
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ANTIMONIUM TARTARICUM   


ZINCUM ARSENICOSUM
ZINCUM BROMATUM   
ZINCUM CARBONICUM   
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ZINCUM IODATUM   1M    
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ZINCUM MURIATICUM   
ZINCUM NITRICUM
ZINCUM OXYDATUM
ZINCUM PHOSPHORATUM
ZINCUM PHOSPHORICUM   
ZINCUM PICRICUM
ZINCUM SULPHURICUM
ZINCUM VALERIANUM


TUNGSTEN
TUNGSTEN MURIATICUM   
TUNGSTEN PHOSPHORATUM
TUNGSTEN SULPHURATUM


COBALTUM BROMATUM
COBALTUM CARBONICUM
COBALTUM IODATUM   
COBALTUM METALLICUM   
COBALTUM MURIATICUM
COBALTUM NITRICUM   
COBALTUM OXYDATUM
COBALTUM PHOSPHORICUM
COBALTUM SULPHURICUM


BISMUTH MURIATICUM
BISMUTHUM BROMATUM
BISMUTHUM IODATUM   
BISMUTHUM METALLICUM
BISMUTHUM OXYDATUM
BISMUTHUM PHOSPHORICUM
BISMUTHUM SUBNITRICUM


BARIUM SULPHATE
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I would run this by a pharmacologist and see what he thinks.  Maybe Cooper's grudge was that he dying of some condition contracted through exposures in his work or life experience? He may have decided to make a statement which left a historical mark beyond anything intended.   

Sailshaw is essentially right: the system left its own historical imprint, perhaps bigger than anything Cooper himself intended or anticipated.  (The act of defiance that launched a thousand ships).   

Cooper only referred to a grudge because Mucklow asked him, and it sounds more like a witty remark to her question.

And regarding the time left to live remarks both by Hahneman and that Cooper letter...I would imagine this was metaphorical... If not, and it's true he only had a short time to physically live, then the last thing he'd do is say so, as that is a big identifier, and one who has a short time doesnt want to risk it in jail.  It's a metaphor for something else, I reckon.

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« Reply #2770 on: May 13, 2018, 03:25:21 PM »
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LYCOPODIUM CLAVATUM -Pills and cancer treatment

CERIUM OXYDATUM

LANTHANUM BROMATUM
LANTHANUM METALLICUM   
LANTHANUM MURIATICUM   
LANTHANUM OXYDATUM   
LANTHANUM SULPHURICUM


YTTRIUM CARBONICUM
YTTRIUM IODATUM   
YTTRIUM METALLICUM   
YTTRIUM MURIATICUM
YTTRIUM NITRICUM   
YTTRIUM OXYDATUM   
YTTRIUM PHOSPHORICUM   
YTTRIUM SULPHURATUM   
YTTRIUM SULPHURICUM


PHOSPHORUS


CADMIUM BROMATUM   
CADMIUM FLUORATUM
CADMIUM IODATUM
CADMIUM METALLICUM
CADMIUM MURIATICUM
CADMIUM NITRICUM   
CADMIUM OXYDATUM   
CADMIUM PHOSPHORICUM   
CADMIUM SULPHURATUM   
CADMIUM SULPHURICUM


VANADIUM BROMATUM   
VANADIUM CARBONATUM
VANADIUM FLUORATUM
VANADIUM METALLICUM   
VANADIUM MURIATICUM   
VANADIUM SULPHURICUM


ANTIMONIUM ARSENICICUM
ANTIMONIUM CRUDUM
ANTIMONIUM IODATUM
ANTIMONIUM METALLICUM   
ANTIMONIUM MURIATICUM   
ANTIMONIUM OXYDATUM
ANTIMONIUM SULPHURATUM AUREUM
ANTIMONIUM TARTARICUM   


ZINCUM ARSENICOSUM
ZINCUM BROMATUM   
ZINCUM CARBONICUM   
ZINCUM FLUORATUM   
ZINCUM IODATUM   1M    
ZINCUM METALLICUM   
ZINCUM MURIATICUM   
ZINCUM NITRICUM
ZINCUM OXYDATUM
ZINCUM PHOSPHORATUM
ZINCUM PHOSPHORICUM   
ZINCUM PICRICUM
ZINCUM SULPHURICUM
ZINCUM VALERIANUM


TUNGSTEN
TUNGSTEN MURIATICUM   
TUNGSTEN PHOSPHORATUM
TUNGSTEN SULPHURATUM


COBALTUM BROMATUM
COBALTUM CARBONICUM
COBALTUM IODATUM   
COBALTUM METALLICUM   
COBALTUM MURIATICUM
COBALTUM NITRICUM   
COBALTUM OXYDATUM
COBALTUM PHOSPHORICUM
COBALTUM SULPHURICUM


BISMUTH MURIATICUM
BISMUTHUM BROMATUM
BISMUTHUM IODATUM   
BISMUTHUM METALLICUM
BISMUTHUM OXYDATUM
BISMUTHUM PHOSPHORICUM
BISMUTHUM SUBNITRICUM


BARIUM SULPHATE
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I would run this by a pharmacologist and see what he thinks.  Maybe Cooper's grudge was that he dying of some condition contracted through exposures in his work or life experience? He may have decided to make a statement which left a historical mark beyond anything intended.   

Sailshaw is essentially right: the system left its own historical imprint, perhaps bigger than anything Cooper himself intended or anticipated.  (The act of defiance that launched a thousand ships).   

Cooper only referred to a grudge because Mucklow asked him, and it sounds more like a witty remark to her question.

And regarding the time left to live remarks both by Hahneman and that Cooper letter...I would imagine this was metaphorical... If not, and it's true he only had a short time to physically live, then the last thing he'd do is say so, as that is a big identifier, and one who has a short time doesnt want to risk it in jail.  It's a metaphor for something else, I reckon.

Most people would say he had some kind of grudge. The act is anti social and threatening at its core. Doesnt require anyone asking.  ;)  Hostage taking with a bomb is self defining. But he threw out a number of other metaphors maybe being witty? Like 'a nice place to go you would like it .....'. A witty guy.

   
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« Reply #2771 on: May 13, 2018, 05:53:37 PM »
   

Cooper only referred to a grudge because Mucklow asked him, and it sounds more like a witty remark to her question.

And regarding the time left to live remarks both by Hahneman and that Cooper letter...I would imagine this was metaphorical... If not, and it's true he only had a short time to physically live, then the last thing he'd do is say so, as that is a big identifier, and one who has a short time doesnt want to risk it in jail.  It's a metaphor for something else, I reckon.
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« Reply #2772 on: May 14, 2018, 12:34:29 PM »
Aren't most Homeopathic medicine ingredients diluted to concentrations below Avogadro's Number?

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Aren't most Homeopathic medicine ingredients diluted to concentrations below Avogadro's Number?

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Dont recall what the standards were in 1971. That's why I suggest a pharmacologist.
 

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« Reply #2774 on: May 15, 2018, 04:04:47 AM »
Avagadro! Gawd, I haven't heard of him for 40 years!

Never did know exactly what his number represented. But it tastes good in guacamole....

But, it begs the question: exactly what are the limits of the mind, if any.