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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2730 on: May 04, 2018, 03:55:32 PM »
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Why isnt it mentioned in the 302s

The lip thing

I don't remember anyone who actually saw Cooper during the hijacking mentioning a protruding lower lip.


Jo Weber has made that claim ever since I found the Jefferson prison files and photo..2014, 15..can't remember.she said he has a removable bridge or something that makes his lip protrude..that's the only place I've heard it..
 

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« Reply #2731 on: May 04, 2018, 03:56:50 PM »
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« Reply #2732 on: May 04, 2018, 04:32:17 PM »
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Ok

But Jo Weber was speaking about Duane and he can be completely excluded from the list of Cooper candidates.
 

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« Reply #2733 on: May 04, 2018, 04:38:42 PM »
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2734 on: May 04, 2018, 04:56:32 PM »
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G wrote: So far as I know - this is not a support group for Jo Weber?

If so she has picked a very unsupportive support group. We give Jo a VERY hard time. She brings it on through her wild claims and total lack of probative evidence.
You reap what you sow... and Jo has planted a lot of bad crops.

But I believe she is one of the founders of the Cooper Vortex. Wasn't it Jo who got it all started on Dropzone?

So if Jo wants to believe she was married to DB Cooper, I wont trash her for it. I wont agree but I'll let her live that fantasy. I often think that is the engine that propels her.

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I have no idea what Jo Weber was doing or where. Im not going to argue history. I never followed Jo Weber. I knew she claimed her husband had been DBC but she was a minor figure on several small forums, but Jo was never on the same forum as Snowmman, Sluggo, Myers-Dvorak, other named people, and myself prior to Drop zone. I dont recall where you were. I was not part of Cooper Royalty, in any event, but a bystander watching-reading. The major facts were being debated where I was, several people surfaced with suspects, Snowmman was playing a major role and I found him articulate and insightful. We also had several sky divers there who were very articulate, informed, and interesting. Then Myers and Dvorak surfaced convinced Ted Mayfield of Washington was DBC and there was press coverage of that. I never was aware that Jo Weber was considered some kind of 'expert' on the Cooper hijacking - that never surfaced or was commented about where I was. Then Dvorak suddenly died in an auto accident and the Websleuth forum went into limbo. Maybe four months later Snowmman told me people had migrated to Dropzone so I went there. I have no idea what arrangement Jo Weber made with Dropzone or when, and it doesn't matter to me.

My interest is the DB Cooper Hijacking - not Jo Weber or the Jo Weber Hijacking of social media!

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2735 on: May 04, 2018, 10:45:03 PM »
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What exactly does protruding lower lip mean

Imagine Bubba in the film Forest Gump....lower lip comes farther forward than the upper lip.   Maybe try to think of the opposite of an overbite....
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« Reply #2736 on: May 04, 2018, 10:53:48 PM »
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Why isnt it mentioned in the 302s

The lip thing

I don't remember anyone who actually saw Cooper during the hijacking mentioning a protruding lower lip.

Nor did I, that's why I was so surprised to hear it on that video...  and I was also assuming the Cooper sketch didn't show a protruding lower lip...but now, going back and looking closer at it for a few minutes straight, I think the artist did actually try to illustrate a protruding lower lip, unless my mind is playing tricks here.  Granted its a two dimensional sketch intended to be 3D...   does anyone else see it in the Composite B photo?
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2737 on: May 04, 2018, 11:17:09 PM »
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Why isnt it mentioned in the 302s

The lip thing

I don't remember anyone who actually saw Cooper during the hijacking mentioning a protruding lower lip.

Nor did I, that's why I was so surprised to hear it on that video...  and I was also assuming the Cooper sketch didn't show a protruding lower lip...but now, going back and looking closer at it for a few minutes straight, I think the artist did actually try to illustrate a protruding lower lip, unless my mind is playing tricks here.  Granted its a two dimensional sketch intended to be 3D...   does anyone else see it in the Composite B photo?

This has been handled before - read the thread. Its semantics. Protruding lower lip is figurative not specific in any crew testimony - see the crew intreviews.
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« Reply #2738 on: May 05, 2018, 10:10:00 PM »
SOME quotes form the FBI files...

SA HENRY SHUTZ called from Bureau on 11/29/71

He said that he talked to the artist who interviewed one of the stewardesses, the only one who saw the man without glasses and she was unable to definitely recall what his eyes looked like.

RE: Artist’s sketch

“The hairline was good, Hair itself should be marcelled and hair style of President Nixon is quite similar to what unsub had. Hair should be slicked down as characters wore in old George Raft movies. Nose in artists’s conception is too pinched, should be broadened in area of nostrils.  Cheeks too flat. Should be more rounded to give Mexican American appearance.

The Hijacker was wearing dark glasses when xxxx saw him and he was unable to furnish any particulars about the hijackers eyes. After studying the artists’s sketch of the hijacker, xxxx had the following comments. He stated that the hijacker had an overall appearance which was in some ways similar to the artists’s sketch. However, he recalled that the hijacker had a broader nose, wider forehead and face in general, than that depicted in the sketch.

That he has average eyes, of Latin appearance, with a sort of disinterested look… thought artists’s conception was very good overall. Except the hair did not recede quite so much as he remembers it, it was a little more curly and definitely short. He also thinks the nose and face slightly too thin, although not much. Feel’s artist sketch makes him look younger than he is.

The subjects hair was jet black, greasy, had a patent leather sheen, marcelled, combed almost straight back but with a slight angle toward the right side of the head and a slight part on the left.

He felt the subject might have been a Mexican-American with possibly some American Indian blood.


.. suggested the following changes;

The hair should be as it appears in the sketch, not photograph, at the top of page 104 in the above-mentioned catalog; it should be marcelled with a slight part on the left, with a patent leather sheen.

The mouth’s lower lip is too full….

The chin is too too broad….

SA XXX penciled in a narrower lip, narrowed the chin and shaded the area on either side of the chin in the artist’s sketch. XXXX stated that with these changes the resemblance was closer, but that the entire face should be longer. The sketch, as it originally existed resembled a “clean cut American” too much.

The neck and chin of unsub appear as if he had been fat and lost weight, leaving some flabby skin. Everything from nose up is good. Mouth is also good. Overall picture of composite makes unsub appear younger than he actually is.



Hahneman clamed to have cancer and pics of Hahneman seemed to range from heavy to thin and back to heavier with a "turkey neck".
Two Hahneman pics, one compilation and one with George Raft (Left) and Hahneman (middle) and Richard Nixon. He has "marcelled" Nixon hair..
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« Reply #2739 on: May 05, 2018, 10:20:53 PM »
Flyjack is there any sketch based on this
 

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« Reply #2740 on: May 05, 2018, 10:23:30 PM »
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Flyjack is there any sketch based on this

There wasn't so I don't know if they were commenting on an early public sketch or internal one, but it is interesting.
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« Reply #2741 on: May 05, 2018, 10:33:06 PM »
Ok

Are any of the sketches closes to this description
 

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« Reply #2742 on: May 05, 2018, 10:40:34 PM »
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Are any of the sketches closes to this description

Public sketches,, my guess is that they were doing sketch #3 (updating #2)

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« Reply #2743 on: May 05, 2018, 10:48:19 PM »
Ok thank you flyjack
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2744 on: May 05, 2018, 10:57:11 PM »
Personally i think dan lord looks a lot like sketch number 3



Dan lord looks pretty tall to me