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Offline Shutter

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2385 on: March 12, 2018, 06:24:50 PM »
My point goes back to being amazed how quickly some people change while looking at a suspect as Cooper..I mean the person establishing the suspect. it's like a spell gets cast over them and no matter what you say, it doesn't matter...Paul is bulletproof, he just doesn't care what he says, nor does he care if you explain he's completely wrong about something..he will tell you the sky is black while standing right next to him  :rofl: I get a kick out of him sometimes...

when you're not 100% sure Cooper even made it out alive, it's kind of hard for someone to say they "solved the case, or knows who Cooper is" we can't even figure out the money found on the beach...we have a lot of people in prison that will agree with this...DNA has proven lots and lots of wrongful charges...some spending decades in prison for nothing..well, not nothing, someone put a bunch circumstantial evidence together which got them convicted.
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« Reply #2386 on: March 12, 2018, 11:13:36 PM »
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My point goes back to being amazed how quickly some people change while looking at a suspect as Cooper..I mean the person establishing the suspect. it's like a spell gets cast over them and no matter what you say, it doesn't matter...Paul is bulletproof, he just doesn't care what he says, nor does he care if you explain he's completely wrong about something..he will tell you the sky is black while standing right next to him  :rofl: I get a kick out of him sometimes...

when you're not 100% sure Cooper even made it out alive, it's kind of hard for someone to say they "solved the case, or knows who Cooper is" we can't even figure out the money found on the beach...we have a lot of people in prison that will agree with this...DNA has proven lots and lots of wrongful charges...some spending decades in prison for nothing..well, not nothing, someone put a bunch circumstantial evidence together which got them convicted.

Paul is an example of someone who should not propose Cooper suspects. I could see him 'flip' in 3 seconds under the right circumstances.  ;)
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2387 on: March 13, 2018, 12:00:56 AM »
Sadly, I strongly suspect the FBI's suspect list might look a lot like the one from the general public. I heard from several FBI agents - especially Dorwin Schreuder and Larry Carr - that their basic Modus Operandi was to wait for the public to bring them suspects and then investigate them relative to the evidence that was on file. Ayn Dietrich-Williams was also clear that the FBI looked at LD Cooper for YEARS, solely based on Marla's initial findings. I bet no one still knows LD's correct birthday, his actual weight and height in 1971, etc. No one I know was looking for that kind of information. Ever. Marla certainly wasn't, nor the cops working with her in Okie. Perhaps Eng called the Oregon DMV, but it's out of character and hard for me to imagine. Maybe Georger can.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2388 on: March 13, 2018, 07:00:00 AM »
LD Cooper

I would have to look but I'm the one who found the age issue with LD..I have his marriage license somewhere with his birth date and a few other things that gives the correct date which I believe is 2 years younger than Marla,or anyone else thought.
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« Reply #2389 on: March 13, 2018, 08:01:32 AM »
What I don't understand is how the FBI took a long look at LD Cooper and Daune Weber when there wasn't much going for them being Cooper. In each case it was a family member that said something without much evidence to support it.
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« Reply #2390 on: March 13, 2018, 11:00:28 AM »
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Sadly, I strongly suspect the FBI's suspect list might look a lot like the one from the general public. I heard from several FBI agents - especially Dorwin Schreuder and Larry Carr - that their basic Modus Operandi was to wait for the public to bring them suspects and then investigate them relative to the evidence that was on file. Ayn Dietrich-Williams was also clear that the FBI looked at LD Cooper for YEARS, solely based on Marla's initial findings. I bet no one still knows LD's correct birthday, his actual weight and height in 1971, etc. No one I know was looking for that kind of information. Ever. Marla certainly wasn't, nor the cops working with her in Okie. Perhaps Eng called the Oregon DMV, but it's out of character and hard for me to imagine. Maybe Georger can.

Your narrative would depend on what year (era) of the case you are talking about. Beyond 1980 you might be correct in a general sense. Prior to 1980 the FBI was actively looking at people on its own. The files back that up. From 1990 to 2000 the mood may have slowly swung back to a more active stance and this may have intensified beginning about 2000. Carr got active in 2008. Dorwin Schreuder was not even involved in the case after 1980 so he is not a source for the information you seek! You have 'milked' Dorwin Schreuder for all you can imagine him saying about the 'whole' DB Cooper case!  ;) It's just another example of your biased sample size and methodology. (That still doesnt prevent people from writing books!)  :D 
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« Reply #2391 on: March 13, 2018, 11:06:12 AM »
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What I don't understand is how the FBI took a long look at LD Cooper and Daune Weber when there wasn't much going for them being Cooper. In each case it was a family member that said something without much evidence to support it.

"long look" from the public's (or social media's) perspective? The social media perspective/awareness is quite different from FBI perspective or actions being taken in a case. That does not mean LD and Duane were ever "serious" suspects! Don't be deceived by social media consciousness/gobblewobble!  :rofl: Mere lack of publicity does not add up to "a long active look". A few decisive steps at various times in both cases, might be a better narrative? In Weber's case, Jo Weber's crucial acts in defense of her agenda might better define what the FBI was doing and and not-doing when and if they were supposedly working or not working on that small matter. Jo Weber's telegraphed timeline in social media has "not" been the FBI's timeline or agenda except in a few specific instances if that has ever been true!   

The FBI has undergone tremendous change during the whole period of the Cooper case. 
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« Reply #2392 on: March 13, 2018, 01:18:38 PM »
Georger wrote: "That does not mean LD and Duane were ever "serious" suspects! Don't be deceived by social media consciousness/gobblewobble!  :rofl: Mere lack of publicity does not add up to "a long active look". :congrats:

Social media provides a very viable alternate reality. Many have chosen to live there. Factual accuracy is not an important metric in that world. "Trending" and frequency of re-posting is.

What kills me about Jo is that for a brief moment in time she had the FBI VERY interested in Duane, yet she held back possibly crucial evidence such as his watch, which could have had his DNA on the watchband's inner surface.

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« Reply #2393 on: March 13, 2018, 03:43:39 PM »
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Georger wrote: "That does not mean LD and Duane were ever "serious" suspects! Don't be deceived by social media consciousness/gobblewobble!  :rofl: Mere lack of publicity does not add up to "a long active look". :congrats:

Social media provides a very viable alternate reality. Many have chosen to live there. Factual accuracy is not an important metric in that world. "Trending" and frequency of re-posting is.

What kills me about Jo is that for a brief moment in time she had the FBI VERY interested in Duane, yet she held back possibly crucial evidence such as his watch, which could have had his DNA on the watchband's inner surface.

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Well, she had somebody in the FBI interested. How that happened and who is up for debate. Different people give different accounts of that story.  Was 'the FBI VERY interested in Duane' ? That would depend on who you talk to and when. Was social media 'very interested'? Yes. Without a doubt.

The history of the case and who did what when, the status of the case over different periods 1971- to date, is one reason I wanted the Smithsonian to take over this matter. Historical researchers there are excellent imho. Under the leadership of someone like Farouk El-Baz (Air & Space Museum/NASA/JPL/Egyptian archaeology and history) the Smithsonian researchers could have presented a compelling case, imho. A display involving items of evidence (money) could have been ... arranged, imho.  ;)
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« Reply #2394 on: March 13, 2018, 06:56:18 PM »
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... Dorwin Schreuder was not even involved in the case after 1980 so he is not a source for the information you seek! You have 'milked' Dorwin Schreuder for all you can imagine him saying about the 'whole' DB Cooper case!  ;) It's just another example of your biased sample size and methodology. (That still doesnt prevent people from writing books!)  :D


I don't believe that statement is fully accurate. As I understand Dorwin's involvement in Norjak, he was first the PIO for the money retrieval at T-Bar in 1980. Then he took over the Norjak file at Portland when Himms left two weeks later.

Dorwin told me he handled the Norjak case for some time. His grandson's book tabs Dorwin as retiring from the FBI in the early 1980s due in part to the toxic atmosphere within the Portland Division. The younger Schreuder writes that many of the FBI agents in Portland resented Dorwin's position as the Norjak guy, getting all the press time, fame, etc.

Nevertheless, Dorwin was quite specific when he told me that he had a passive approach to Norjak, waiting for the public to bring in leads, and indicated that was SOP at the Bureau.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #2395 on: March 13, 2018, 07:13:36 PM »
NORJACK would indeed make an excellent project for the Smithsonian. Too bad they are not interested. Maybe they think Cooper was a Canadian. They prefer American stuff. 

Georger, do you think the case will be solved eventually? I do, but it's just an optimistic hunch, nothing more. I just pray I will live long enough to see it happen.

Hey, let's dump all the data into IBM's WATSON and see what it thinks. Google is rumored to have superior computation engines and big data analytical software. maybe they could take a stab at it.  ;) 

Jo's data would likely be tagged with a low reliability coefficient for creeping inconsistency and adaptive mutation. But if fervor and persistence exhibited by the evidence proponent were highly valued, Jo would win hands down.

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« Reply #2396 on: March 13, 2018, 08:38:45 PM »
I've always wondered why the FBI tabbed LD as their "most promising suspect". Based on the little bit that we know about him, I certainly don't see anything there that justifies that label.

I wonder if there was something there, that was never stated publicly, that piqued their interest in him. They obviously liked him as a suspect, at least for a short time. If that's the case, whatever it was obviously didn't pan out.

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« Reply #2397 on: March 13, 2018, 09:07:49 PM »
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I've always wondered why the FBI tabbed LD as their "most promising suspect". Based on the little bit that we know about him, I certainly don't see anything there that justifies that label.

I wonder if there was something there, that was never stated publicly, that piqued their interest in him. They obviously liked him as a suspect, at least for a short time. If that's the case, whatever it was obviously didn't pan out.

I've wondered myself,but most of it fabrication...plenty of story changing once she found out certain things wouldn't work into the story..didn't LD catch Flo's attention? I know she mentioned Kenny in the past...

I still believe if any of the three main witnesses ever see the actual Cooper, a gasp will follow...
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« Reply #2398 on: March 13, 2018, 09:18:55 PM »
Didn't Flo positively ID Coffelt? Or am I mistaken?

Somebody said that on DZ at one time. Don't remember who or what their source was. 
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« Reply #2399 on: March 13, 2018, 09:34:54 PM »
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Didn't Flo positively ID Coffelt? Or am I mistaken?

Somebody said that on DZ at one time. Don't remember who or what their source was.

Don't know about that one....
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