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« Reply #2250 on: February 11, 2018, 08:22:38 PM »
Does anyone know about a suspect by the name Robert Hampton Keely?
 

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« Reply #2251 on: February 11, 2018, 10:45:20 PM »
Not me.
 

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« Reply #2252 on: February 12, 2018, 01:32:25 AM »
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Does anyone know about a suspect by the name Robert Hampton Keely?
Apparently GG mentions him in Skyjack, but I haven't read that book yet. (Am enjoying Bruce's, though.) You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
 
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« Reply #2253 on: February 12, 2018, 04:30:43 AM »
Keeley is mentioned as an early suspect, along with a slew of others. p. 166 in Skyjack. No details, though.
 

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« Reply #2254 on: February 12, 2018, 06:27:50 AM »
I was going through some of the FBI files and saw his name mentioned. It wasn't blocked out, and they said he looked a lot like the composite.
 

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« Reply #2255 on: February 12, 2018, 12:55:44 PM »
Logic in the alleged Rackstraw sequence?

Cooper drowned: Nov 71, Cooper accomplices scatter 50K from a plane into Vancouver Lake .

Cooper survived: Dec 71, Cooper starts writing to newspapers with encoded clues as to his ID.

Cooper drowned: Feb. 80, Cooper arranges plant of money bundles at T bar.

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« Reply #2256 on: February 14, 2018, 11:34:56 PM »
Will post this here since the other thread has been locked - in reply to previous post to Mark in the locked thread. re SLA in 1974. Mark its up to you what you want to say or not say. But the whole nightmare around Mizmoon and the SLA was just one more event in a whole string of social events (hijackings, bombings daily, civil disturbances) that marked the 70s. Its why a lot of us still believe Cooper's hijacking had political dimensions - his grudge. It's not a frivolous thought. I sort of assumed when I earmarked the SLA and Mizmoon in my post, you of all people would know exactly what I was talking about, and why.

Yes! - "Did any of Cooper's 200k find its way into ... political activities" ?  ;)  Are there any Cooper twenties sitting in evidence files for extinct political groups?

The rest is up to you ... thanks for the email!

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« Reply #2257 on: February 15, 2018, 01:17:44 AM »
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Will post this here since the other thread has been locked - in reply to previous post to Mark in the locked thread. re SLA in 1974. Mark its up to you what you want to say or not say. But the whole nightmare around Mizmoon and the SLA was just one more event in a whole string of social events (hijackings, bombings daily, civil disturbances) that marked the 70s. Its why a lot of us still believe Cooper's hijacking had political dimensions - his grudge. It's not a frivolous thought. I sort of assumed when I earmarked the SLA and Mizmoon in my post, you of all people would know exactly what I was talking about, and why.

Yes! - "Did any of Cooper's 200k find its way into ... political activities" ?  ;)  Are there any Cooper twenties sitting in evidence files for extinct political groups?

The rest is up to you ... thanks for the email!

G
Yeah, the first story I remember as a kid of 6 was Patty "Tania" Hearst and the SLA. Even in Canada, martial law was declared briefly in the late 60s after a politician was murdered by what turned out to be a small group of homegrown terrorists. A political grudge is not out of the question. The Pentagon Papers were released in 1971, Vietnam was still on, lots of average Joes had political grudges. The money could have been earmarked for a political purpose - though as it was certain to be marked, it would have been better spent overseas. I don't know how easy it would have been at that time for Cooper to find out the likelihood of marked bills being found in domestic circulation, but if the money was spent abroad, I'm thinking the odds were heavily against any ever turning up. (I do have a little daydream where I'm in a tropical bar somewhere and there's a Cooper bill on the wall with currencies from all over the world.)  8) ;)
 

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« Reply #2258 on: February 15, 2018, 01:31:26 AM »
I love that dream, Lynn. I can picture it so clearly...
 
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« Reply #2259 on: February 15, 2018, 02:00:07 AM »
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Will post this here since the other thread has been locked - in reply to previous post to Mark in the locked thread. re SLA in 1974. Mark its up to you what you want to say or not say. But the whole nightmare around Mizmoon and the SLA was just one more event in a whole string of social events (hijackings, bombings daily, civil disturbances) that marked the 70s. Its why a lot of us still believe Cooper's hijacking had political dimensions - his grudge. It's not a frivolous thought. I sort of assumed when I earmarked the SLA and Mizmoon in my post, you of all people would know exactly what I was talking about, and why.

Yes! - "Did any of Cooper's 200k find its way into ... political activities" ?  ;)  Are there any Cooper twenties sitting in evidence files for extinct political groups?

The rest is up to you ... thanks for the email!

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Yeah, the first story I remember as a kid of 6 was Patty "Tania" Hearst and the SLA. Even in Canada, martial law was declared briefly in the late 60s after a politician was murdered by what turned out to be a small group of homegrown terrorists. A political grudge is not out of the question. The Pentagon Papers were released in 1971, Vietnam was still on, lots of average Joes had political grudges. The money could have been earmarked for a political purpose - though as it was certain to be marked, it would have been better spent overseas. I don't know how easy it would have been at that time for Cooper to find out the likelihood of marked bills being found in domestic circulation, but if the money was spent abroad, I'm thinking the odds were heavily against any ever turning up. (I do have a little daydream where I'm in a tropical bar somewhere and there's a Cooper bill on the wall with currencies from all over the world.)  8) ;)

I was here at UI when the hijacking happened and given conditions here at the time, many people thought the hijacking was political, almost to a man. Im about half serious when I say there might be Cooper twenties sitting in some extinct evidence file related to some 70s protest group or another. Who would notice or even run the serial numbers? That property would longsince have been turned over to the State, or absorbed by some legal fund, or even turned in to the Feds. With serial numbers maybe even recorded in case records but never checked against the Cooper list. It would be a huge task to look back at old records - there are millions and few may ever have been digitalised, and some would have burned and expunged! 

<edit> Sluggo said: 'Personally, I don’t believe that Cooper (necessarily) had a connection to the Pac NW. I think that in 1971, it was the logical place to pull off a hijacking of an airliner. Since the SE US was covered with Sky-Marshalls, because that’s where MOST the hijackings were happening. (i.e. Take this plane to Cuba). The Pac NW was an opportunity waiting for anyone looking to make a point.' (DZ 2009)
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« Reply #2260 on: February 15, 2018, 04:02:25 PM »
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Will post this here since the other thread has been locked - in reply to previous post to Mark in the locked thread. re SLA in 1974. Mark its up to you what you want to say or not say. But the whole nightmare around Mizmoon and the SLA was just one more event in a whole string of social events (hijackings, bombings daily, civil disturbances) that marked the 70s. Its why a lot of us still believe Cooper's hijacking had political dimensions - his grudge. It's not a frivolous thought. I sort of assumed when I earmarked the SLA and Mizmoon in my post, you of all people would know exactly what I was talking about, and why.

Yes! - "Did any of Cooper's 200k find its way into ... political activities" ?  ;)  Are there any Cooper twenties sitting in evidence files for extinct political groups?

The rest is up to you ... thanks for the email!

G

I can say for certain that there was no link, funding or otherwise, between DBC and the SLA. There was stolen SN recorded bank currency found in the  FBI raids of SLA safe houses, but the source was CA banks that they had robbed with Patty Hearst, not SeaFirst Bank.

There was a considerable amount of military talent in the SLA. Joseph Remiro, who was convicted of assassinating Marcus Foster, the Oakland Unified School Dist Supervisor, was a former Army Ranger who fought in Vietnam. Bill Harris, who pled guilty to second degree murder in the killing of customer Myrna Opsahl during the robbery of a Sacramento area bank, was an ex-Marine who fought in Vietnam. Russel Little, also convicted in the Marcus Foster murder but later released on a successful appeal, and acquitted in a retrial, was an Army vet who met Remiro in VVAW activities, (VVAW=Vietnam Veterans Against the War). They all had grudges.

The manhunt was intense for the SLA. They retreated from Northern CA to a house in Los Angeles that became the site of an inferno when literally hundreds of law enforcement officers converged and got into a firefight with the six SLA members inside. Neighbors interviewed confidentially said they knew who was living there but nobody tipped the cops, despite the lure of substantial rewards. The neighbors were mostly poor African Americans and may have felt some sympathy with the SLA whose ransom demands to the Hearst family included feeding the poor. The police only found the house because of an unpaid parking ticket with that address found in an abandoned getaway vehicle.

I've always wondered if some people might have known who DBC was but didn't turn him in as they felt sympathy for him and disliked the FBI. Just speculation. I think the SLA benefitted from that kind of sympathy at times.

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« Reply #2261 on: February 15, 2018, 04:25:16 PM »
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Will post this here since the other thread has been locked - in reply to previous post to Mark in the locked thread. re SLA in 1974. Mark its up to you what you want to say or not say. But the whole nightmare around Mizmoon and the SLA was just one more event in a whole string of social events (hijackings, bombings daily, civil disturbances) that marked the 70s. Its why a lot of us still believe Cooper's hijacking had political dimensions - his grudge. It's not a frivolous thought. I sort of assumed when I earmarked the SLA and Mizmoon in my post, you of all people would know exactly what I was talking about, and why.

Yes! - "Did any of Cooper's 200k find its way into ... political activities" ?  ;)  Are there any Cooper twenties sitting in evidence files for extinct political groups?

The rest is up to you ... thanks for the email!

G

I can say for certain that there was no link, funding or otherwise, between DBC and the SLA. There was stolen SN recorded bank currency found in the  FBI raids of SLA safe houses, but the source was CA banks that they had robbed with Patty Hearst, not SeaFirst Bank.

There was a considerable amount of military talent in the SLA. Joseph Remiro, who was convicted of assassinating Marcus Foster, the Oakland Unified School Dist Supervisor, was a former Army Ranger who fought in Vietnam. Bill Harris, who pled guilty to second degree murder in the killing of customer Myrna Opsahl during the robbery of a Sacramento area bank, was an ex-Marine who fought in Vietnam. Russel Little, also convicted in the Marcus Foster murder but later released on a successful appeal, and acquitted in a retrial, was an Army vet who met Remiro in VVAW activities, (VVAW=Vietnam Veterans Against the War). They all had grudges.

The manhunt was intense for the SLA. They retreated from Northern CA to a house in Los Angeles that became the site of an inferno when literally hundreds of law enforcement officers converged and got into a firefight with the six SLA members inside. Neighbors interviewed confidentially said they knew who was living there but nobody tipped the cops, despite the lure of substantial rewards. The neighbors were mostly poor African Americans and may have felt some sympathy with the SLA whose ransom demands to the Hearst family included feeding the poor. The police only found the house because of an unpaid parking ticket with that address found in an abandoned getaway vehicle.

I've always wondered if some people might have known who DBC was but didn't turn him in as they felt sympathy for him and disliked the FBI. Just speculation. I think the SLA benefitted from that kind of sympathy at times.

377

I didnt mean to imply that DBC and the SLA were connected, specifically. That would be astounding. One question I have is: did the FBI have an actual 'theory of the case'. They looked hard at high skill parachuting venues, the aviation industry, and the military to some extent. I base this on FBI files we have seen to date. Then large number of citizen reports being chased down.. I am not seeing files that relate to 'subversive groups' or 'university organisations', and the like. I'm not seeing files related to extreme right wing groups or military vet groups with known militant connections.

Or he comes from a different background - foreign, Cooper comic connection, French Canadian as some people strongly think (with one saying he can prove it!).

One white foot try a horse, two white feet, three white feet ... you know how that goes. What seed population includes DB Cooper! What group carried and represents his grudge? 
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« Reply #2262 on: February 15, 2018, 04:51:41 PM »
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Will post this here since the other thread has been locked - in reply to previous post to Mark in the locked thread. re SLA in 1974. Mark its up to you what you want to say or not say. But the whole nightmare around Mizmoon and the SLA was just one more event in a whole string of social events (hijackings, bombings daily, civil disturbances) that marked the 70s. Its why a lot of us still believe Cooper's hijacking had political dimensions - his grudge. It's not a frivolous thought. I sort of assumed when I earmarked the SLA and Mizmoon in my post, you of all people would know exactly what I was talking about, and why.

Yes! - "Did any of Cooper's 200k find its way into ... political activities" ?  ;)  Are there any Cooper twenties sitting in evidence files for extinct political groups?

The rest is up to you ... thanks for the email!

G

I can say for certain that there was no link, funding or otherwise, between DBC and the SLA. There was stolen SN recorded bank currency found in the  FBI raids of SLA safe houses, but the source was CA banks that they had robbed with Patty Hearst, not SeaFirst Bank.

There was a considerable amount of military talent in the SLA. Joseph Remiro, who was convicted of assassinating Marcus Foster, the Oakland Unified School Dist Supervisor, was a former Army Ranger who fought in Vietnam. Bill Harris, who pled guilty to second degree murder in the killing of customer Myrna Opsahl during the robbery of a Sacramento area bank, was an ex-Marine who fought in Vietnam. Russel Little, also convicted in the Marcus Foster murder but later released on a successful appeal, and acquitted in a retrial, was an Army vet who met Remiro in VVAW activities, (VVAW=Vietnam Veterans Against the War). They all had grudges.

The manhunt was intense for the SLA. They retreated from Northern CA to a house in Los Angeles that became the site of an inferno when literally hundreds of law enforcement officers converged and got into a firefight with the six SLA members inside. Neighbors interviewed confidentially said they knew who was living there but nobody tipped the cops, despite the lure of substantial rewards. The neighbors were mostly poor African Americans and may have felt some sympathy with the SLA whose ransom demands to the Hearst family included feeding the poor. The police only found the house because of an unpaid parking ticket with that address found in an abandoned getaway vehicle.

I've always wondered if some people might have known who DBC was but didn't turn him in as they felt sympathy for him and disliked the FBI. Just speculation. I think the SLA benefitted from that kind of sympathy at times.

377

I think you last paragraph is probably correct, even if he was from Canada or other foreign country.  As I understand it, a Canadian did make the DBC candidate short list for a certain LE agency. 
 

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« Reply #2263 on: February 15, 2018, 05:49:29 PM »
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Will post this here since the other thread has been locked - in reply to previous post to Mark in the locked thread. re SLA in 1974. Mark its up to you what you want to say or not say. But the whole nightmare around Mizmoon and the SLA was just one more event in a whole string of social events (hijackings, bombings daily, civil disturbances) that marked the 70s. Its why a lot of us still believe Cooper's hijacking had political dimensions - his grudge. It's not a frivolous thought. I sort of assumed when I earmarked the SLA and Mizmoon in my post, you of all people would know exactly what I was talking about, and why.

Yes! - "Did any of Cooper's 200k find its way into ... political activities" ?  ;)  Are there any Cooper twenties sitting in evidence files for extinct political groups?

The rest is up to you ... thanks for the email!

G

I can say for certain that there was no link, funding or otherwise, between DBC and the SLA. There was stolen SN recorded bank currency found in the  FBI raids of SLA safe houses, but the source was CA banks that they had robbed with Patty Hearst, not SeaFirst Bank.

There was a considerable amount of military talent in the SLA. Joseph Remiro, who was convicted of assassinating Marcus Foster, the Oakland Unified School Dist Supervisor, was a former Army Ranger who fought in Vietnam. Bill Harris, who pled guilty to second degree murder in the killing of customer Myrna Opsahl during the robbery of a Sacramento area bank, was an ex-Marine who fought in Vietnam. Russel Little, also convicted in the Marcus Foster murder but later released on a successful appeal, and acquitted in a retrial, was an Army vet who met Remiro in VVAW activities, (VVAW=Vietnam Veterans Against the War). They all had grudges.

The manhunt was intense for the SLA. They retreated from Northern CA to a house in Los Angeles that became the site of an inferno when literally hundreds of law enforcement officers converged and got into a firefight with the six SLA members inside. Neighbors interviewed confidentially said they knew who was living there but nobody tipped the cops, despite the lure of substantial rewards. The neighbors were mostly poor African Americans and may have felt some sympathy with the SLA whose ransom demands to the Hearst family included feeding the poor. The police only found the house because of an unpaid parking ticket with that address found in an abandoned getaway vehicle.

I've always wondered if some people might have known who DBC was but didn't turn him in as they felt sympathy for him and disliked the FBI. Just speculation. I think the SLA benefitted from that kind of sympathy at times.

377

I didnt mean to imply that DBC and the SLA were connected, specifically. That would be astounding. One question I have is: did the FBI have an actual 'theory of the case'. They looked hard at high skill parachuting venues, the aviation industry, and the military to some extent. I base this on FBI files we have seen to date. Then large number of citizen reports being chased down.. I am not seeing files that relate to 'subversive groups' or 'university organisations', and the like. I'm not seeing files related to extreme right wing groups or military vet groups with known militant connections.

Or he comes from a different background - foreign, Cooper comic connection, French Canadian as some people strongly think (with one saying he can prove it!).

One white foot try a horse, two white feet, three white feet ... you know how that goes. What seed population includes DB Cooper! What group carried and represents his grudge?

Georger has a point. The FBI kinda disregarded the "grudge" and focused on NORJACK as a money crime possibly done by a skilled parachutist. I think they did a decent job of investigating this angle. They sent agents to Ft Benning (Army Airborne training site), USPA HQ and many drop zones. They probed MAC SOG, USFS Smoke Jumpers and even the infamous Latin Skydivers of So. Cal. They ID'd Sheridan Peterson as a person of interest. But they didn't seem to have a theory of the case that narrowed the search beyond jumpers who needed money. What was DBC's grudge? The FBI didn't see it as a productive area of inquiry.

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« Reply #2264 on: February 15, 2018, 07:36:47 PM »
I have never looked into it, but there was a radical group similar to SLA at that time in Quebec called the FLQ..

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