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Offline Shutter

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #225 on: June 10, 2014, 02:51:40 PM »
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"Guys, if Galen is right"

That's why I pointed out on DZ that neither has shown any proof. then all of the sudden the book is being pulled, and he is out of the "Cooper biz"

The author acts like Geestman really knows something! He has labeled Geestman a LIAR in advance. On the one hand he wants to use Geestman - on the other hand he has nullified Geestman in advance in case Geestman would say 'Kenny and I were somewhere else'. The author then gets to keep he claims.


I think it's all in how he reads things. he takes a lot of things skewing them into what he believes. he didn't see anything wrong with stating that many people from here were banned from DZ, but feels that a poster talking about him is justifiable for the comment to be removed. he then drops a censorship bomb on the whole thing. he automatically brands Cossey a liar, simply because he took 10 seconds to tell the Amboy chute was not Cooper's. he seems to look for loopholes to keep his story flowing, or to keep egg off his face.

I would also like to point out that this is not an attack on anyone but the data. it's putting questions into the author of the material though.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #226 on: June 10, 2014, 05:17:35 PM »
It appears that he hasn't really changed the PDF on anything. a short list will identify the problems.

1) The house was not purchased with a total cash value.
2) The warranty deed is improperly addressed to the wrong lot.
3) The $5,000 loan appears not to be valid since no documentation has been given.
4) Several of the people that were friends of KC seem to have some deception in the stories told.
5) Two different stories & years when the money was supposedly found on the property.
6) No documentation, or any evidence of an expensive stamp/coin collection.
7) Evidence indicates the countertop found in the attic is more likely to have been placed there during
the demo of the interior, and after Kenny was long gone.
8] Clear indications of how, and where the large sums of money came from in his account can be answered.

Even when the obvious was pointed out. the author has not changed the views of the PDF. these issues were clearly pointed out. the cash for the house, the possibility where the money came from in his account, the error with the deed. when you refuse to accept other possibilities, it's time to seek another adventure. If I were to guess why they remain. I'd say a script, a book, the public view, and some pain in admission. you need to backup what people say in order for a story to function. the pieces are slowly being removed allowing only the chatter in the background of people claiming things. I think if the FBI read this PDF. they quickly came to the same conclusion. just because someone says something, doesn't mean, well you know....that poor little kid is more convinced than the author!
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #227 on: June 10, 2014, 05:55:59 PM »
He also now downplays the importance of the money. The biggest piece of "evidence" he ever had was the house being purchased with cash, thus showing a large amount of spending shortly after the hijacking. Once that was shot down, the money was never that big of an issue, he says. Instead, the impeccable memory of the witnesses is the big evidence now, even though if accurate, still does not tie KC to the hijacking. Show me the money!
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #228 on: June 10, 2014, 06:10:48 PM »
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He also now downplays the importance of the money. The biggest piece of "evidence" he ever had was the house being purchased with cash, thus showing a large amount of spending shortly after the hijacking. Once that was shot down, the money was never that big of an issue, he says. Instead, the impeccable memory of the witnesses is the big evidence now, even though if accurate, still does not tie KC to the hijacking. Show me the money!

Yes, it was an important part of the story. that's why I mentioned the pieces are slowly being removed, it doesn't leave anything but talk. The FBI doesn't need to speak with these people. his PDF did that for the FBI. he seems to be hanging on there every word. that's not how it's done. how do we know they didn't do this for a part in the book, how do we know Lyle didn't set these people up? it goes on, and on. The FBI wasn't born yesterday. they can see right through a lot of this. sadly an inaccurate PDF doesn't help matters much either.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #229 on: June 10, 2014, 06:18:41 PM »
I have asked RMB and he will not answer, but do we know who originally made the claim about the house being purchased with cash? That had to come from somewhere. My suspicion is Lyle. Either way, I think Lyle would know how his brother paid for his house. If my brother, who lives in another state, paid cash for his house I would know about it. So, I think Lyle either made that claim originally, or at least never corrected it. I think this is important because Lyle was the originaor of the whole KC as Cooper saga.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #230 on: June 10, 2014, 06:24:00 PM »
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I have asked RMB and he will not answer, but do we know who originally made the claim about the house being purchased with cash? That had to come from somewhere. My suspicion is Lyle. Either way, I think Lyle would know how his brother paid for his house. If my brother, who lives in another state, paid cash for his house I would know about it. So, I think Lyle either made that claim originally, or at least never corrected it. I think this is important because Lyle was the originaor of the whole KC as Cooper saga.

I would say Lyle, Carolyn states he bought it for cash, she had to get that from somewhere, or did Kenny state it trying to make himself look good? even the clock, it's from Japan. didn't Kenny do runs there? he could of got it dirt cheap back then. the package is toooo neatly wrapped. I've heard several different prices for the house, and the collection. someone's not being honest.....


Added...Lyle handled Kenny's estate, so shame on him if it did originate from him, plus we are asking Kenny to launder a lot of the cash fast, in order to toss it around like it's his....how would he have known in that short of time that the FBI was having trouble locating the cash. the bad guys usually sit on it longer than a couple months. I doubt Kenny was that criminal savvy. I'm sure Cooper was still hot in the FBI's mind several months later. it was big news. seems pretty far fetched to dump a bunch of the money anywhere that close to the date of the crime. I just can't buy into it.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #231 on: June 11, 2014, 12:28:25 AM »
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I have asked RMB and he will not answer, but do we know who originally made the claim about the house being purchased with cash? That had to come from somewhere. My suspicion is Lyle. Either way, I think Lyle would know how his brother paid for his house. If my brother, who lives in another state, paid cash for his house I would know about it. So, I think Lyle either made that claim originally, or at least never corrected it. I think this is important because Lyle was the originaor of the whole KC as Cooper saga.

Lyle is an idea man, inventor, has peddled people to Hollywood, etc. His brother being DB Cooper wasn't his first of his last 'gig'.  His brother worked for NWA in Washington no less - why NOT peddle him as Cooper! There may be more to the story but doubtful the public will ever know. Blevins probably promised Lyle the Moon! Their next idea: Uncle Ben of Uncle Ben's Rice was DB Cooper!   
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #232 on: June 11, 2014, 07:22:58 PM »
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I have asked RMB and he will not answer, but do we know who originally made the claim about the house being purchased with cash? That had to come from somewhere. My suspicion is Lyle. Either way, I think Lyle would know how his brother paid for his house. If my brother, who lives in another state, paid cash for his house I would know about it. So, I think Lyle either made that claim originally, or at least never corrected it. I think this is important because Lyle was the originaor of the whole KC as Cooper saga.

Lyle is an idea man, inventor, has peddled people to Hollywood, etc. His brother being DB Cooper wasn't his first of his last 'gig'.  His brother worked for NWA in Washington no less - why NOT peddle him as Cooper! There may be more to the story but doubtful the public will ever know. Blevins probably promised Lyle the Moon! Their next idea: Uncle Ben of Uncle Ben's Rice was DB Cooper!


I find it difficult for Lyle not to know anything about the hijacking with his brother working there. they seemed to have been close. everyone else in his circle claim they think he was Cooper. did they also just think of this? none of it jingles. If his voice was anything like Lyle's, it's not even close to what they claim. The script seems to be the last ditch effort to cash in on the whole thing. If these people with the perfect memories claim this now instead of turning him in, how do they feel better throwing him under the bus after his death?

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #233 on: June 11, 2014, 07:54:03 PM »
You know, I don't know RMB, so I can't really have any personal issues with him. I'm sure if he were a neighbor, I'd get along fine with him. But he used to tout that the only thing that mattered was the truth. That obviously is not the case. The accusations against Christiansen are, in my opinion, slanderous. He justifies that by saying that taking certian liberties with a story is the norm in Hollywood. So what? That does not make it right to accuse a man of a major crime when there is no evidence to go along with it. I used to think this was not about a movie script, but I must agree with you now, that is all it's ever been about. Truth be damned.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #234 on: June 11, 2014, 07:58:35 PM »
Just my opinion here, but if the script were to ever get made into a movie (which I doubt), my guess is that a certian Mr. Geestman would suddenly find the accusations against him a little more annoying than he does now. Sue RMB...for what? But a production company, now there's a profitable lawsuit.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #235 on: June 11, 2014, 08:07:25 PM »
I'm sure you have read some of my posts at DZ. I've said in the past you better be damn sure what you are accusing someone of. the dead can't speak, and unfortunately I think people take advantage of this position. it's no different than what some mothers do to get there 9 year old into a pageant, or push to get a kid into television. these moms are outta control! they will plow anyone down in there way. it's not about the kid anymore.

I didn't really know there was a " Cooper biz" obviously it surrounds money. it's pretty simple to walk away from anything. it's only hard if you don't want too!

I'm not speaking about every Cooper suspect.....
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #236 on: June 11, 2014, 08:13:20 PM »
they would change the names of these people to get around anything incorrect, or damaging to "anyone living , or dead" it's hard for anything to be slanderous with the brother right in the middle of this.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #237 on: June 11, 2014, 08:27:07 PM »
Sure, they could change Geestmans name, but hasn't that horse left the barn? Geestman could use the pdf or Blevins book, or even posts from DZ to clearly demonstrate he was being falsely accused regardless of what they called him in the movie. I think RMB should tread carefully.

 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #238 on: June 11, 2014, 09:14:37 PM »
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Sure, they could change Geestmans name, but hasn't that horse left the barn? Geestman could use the pdf or Blevins book, or even posts from DZ to clearly demonstrate he was being falsely accused regardless of what they called him in the movie. I think RMB should tread carefully.

Perhaps, but only if they use his real name. he might have an argument if it's to close to what Bernie claimed, or said. he does out right accuse Bernie of knowing about it, or being involved in it. that's enough I think for slander. I don't know from a legal stand point though. just because you think someone is lying, doesn't give you the right to involve them in a Federal crime based on hearsay evidence, or he said/she said theory.

I think you are talking about Bernie going after Robert? if that's the case then yes I believe he can go after Robert. I thought you might be talking about the producers of a show that could possibly come about?
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #239 on: June 12, 2014, 05:01:54 PM »
Ok, there seems to be a lot of records on Dawn J Androsko at the Pierce County Clerks Office. I'll have to go through them, but they only date back to 1989. it appears she has been dealing with banks often, as well as the Boeing Credit Union. this sends up another red flag showing she has indeed used banks. I guess records will have to be pulled on the dates we need going back to early 1972. It does however give an address on Fox. the one Robert uses all the time. I think once again light will shine through showing trouble in the KC saga.

Here is the link with a full page of Dawns property records since 1989. let me know if the link doesn't work by going directly to her page.

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I see it doesn't go directly to the page. simply click on the disclaimer, and then type her name in, last name first.
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