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« Reply #2115 on: January 07, 2018, 05:34:00 PM »
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.. I don't know much about Burnworth or Braden, but am hoping I can find out more when I get Bruce's book next week....


I spoke with Don Burnworth on several occasions. He had a soft, mid-western tone to his voice. No regional accent, no distinctive phrases that I recall. To me, he was a straight-forward guy who had a really had a messy love life.
Ahh. Well, we've all been there and done that. Thank god none of my mad exes ever dropped me into an FBI investigation without a chute!  ;D
 

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« Reply #2116 on: January 07, 2018, 05:35:29 PM »
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« Reply #2117 on: January 07, 2018, 05:39:05 PM »
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Don't make me go all Mucklow on you! Haha, the worst it got was getting dumped 2 days before Xmas in London England after flying from Japan to see an Irish guy I met in Thailand. Cried big tears, but had met my current hubby by the next Xmas. He-who-shall-not-be-named did rip me off for $1500, but at least I haven't been accused of being a skyjacker. Though I'd be perfect. I NEVER get stopped at airports, a miracle as your customs dudes always make me feel like I've done something even when I haven't. It's their EYES.
 

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« Reply #2118 on: January 07, 2018, 06:31:16 PM »
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.. I don't know much about Burnworth or Braden, but am hoping I can find out more when I get Bruce's book next week....


I spoke with Don Burnworth on several occasions. He had a soft, mid-western tone to his voice. No regional accent, no distinctive phrases that I recall. To me, he was a straight-forward guy who had a really had a messy love life.

Yeah, per this video, can't eliminate Gossett by voice, either. I wouldn't be able to pin his accent.
 

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« Reply #2119 on: January 07, 2018, 08:38:15 PM »
Yup, that's Wolfie.

Hard to believe he stole an airplane, eh?
 

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« Reply #2120 on: January 07, 2018, 08:40:33 PM »
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...I NEVER get stopped at airports, a miracle as your customs dudes always make me feel like I've done something even when I haven't. It's their EYES...


Don't feel too bad. The last time I crossed the border (from BC to WA, and yes a woman was involved) I got treated by MY people like my last name was Escobar.
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« Reply #2121 on: January 07, 2018, 08:44:33 PM »
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...I NEVER get stopped at airports, a miracle as your customs dudes always make me feel like I've done something even when I haven't. It's their EYES...


Don't feel too bad. The last time I crossed the broader (from BC to WA, and yes a woman was involved) I got treated by MY people like my last name was Escobar.

LOL - I had a little fun today with an online, very rudimentary Language Style matching site. I entered all the text I could find from Sheridan online (tons), a transcription of the Gossett paranormal program, and the (very limited) direct quotes I could find from Burnworth. The results were average/above average for ALL of them compared with Letter 5. From the site: "To give you an idea, most LSM scores for general writing samples range between .60 and .90, with the average being around .78. The more the authors of the two samples are thinking in similar ways, the higher the LSM."

Sheridan got a .76, Gossett a .78, and Burnworth a .81. (I had only a short paragraph's worth of quotes from him, though.)

Direct quotes from Cooper from Tina and Flo's statements compared against Letter 5 get a 0.83. Against 10 pages of Sheridan's writing and speech samples they get 0.79. Against the Gossett transcription (several paragraphs), they get a 0.91. Against Burnworth they get 0.77. And against my own comments on this site, they get 0.82, so unfortunately this software is a piece of crap. I KNOW I was napping at my Mommy's insistence during that skyjacking. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
 

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« Reply #2122 on: January 07, 2018, 11:40:59 PM »
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...I NEVER get stopped at airports, a miracle as your customs dudes always make me feel like I've done something even when I haven't. It's their EYES...


Don't feel too bad. The last time I crossed the broader (from BC to WA, and yes a woman was involved) I got treated by MY people like my last name was Escobar.

LOL - I had a little fun today with an online, very rudimentary Language Style matching site. I entered all the text I could find from Sheridan online (tons), a transcription of the Gossett paranormal program, and the (very limited) direct quotes I could find from Burnworth. The results were average/above average for ALL of them compared with Letter 5. From the site: "To give you an idea, most LSM scores for general writing samples range between .60 and .90, with the average being around .78. The more the authors of the two samples are thinking in similar ways, the higher the LSM."

Sheridan got a .76, Gossett a .78, and Burnworth a .81. (I had only a short paragraph's worth of quotes from him, though.)

Direct quotes from Cooper from Tina and Flo's statements compared against Letter 5 get a 0.83. Against 10 pages of Sheridan's writing and speech samples they get 0.79. Against the Gossett transcription (several paragraphs), they get a 0.91. Against Burnworth they get 0.77. And against my own comments on this site, they get 0.82, so unfortunately this software is a piece of crap. I KNOW I was napping at my Mommy's insistence during that skyjacking. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

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« Reply #2123 on: January 08, 2018, 12:56:12 AM »
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...I NEVER get stopped at airports, a miracle as your customs dudes always make me feel like I've done something even when I haven't. It's their EYES...


Don't feel too bad. The last time I crossed the broader (from BC to WA, and yes a woman was involved) I got treated by MY people like my last name was Escobar.

LOL - I had a little fun today with an online, very rudimentary Language Style matching site. I entered all the text I could find from Sheridan online (tons), a transcription of the Gossett paranormal program, and the (very limited) direct quotes I could find from Burnworth. The results were average/above average for ALL of them compared with Letter 5. From the site: "To give you an idea, most LSM scores for general writing samples range between .60 and .90, with the average being around .78. The more the authors of the two samples are thinking in similar ways, the higher the LSM."

Sheridan got a .76, Gossett a .78, and Burnworth a .81. (I had only a short paragraph's worth of quotes from him, though.)

Direct quotes from Cooper from Tina and Flo's statements compared against Letter 5 get a 0.83. Against 10 pages of Sheridan's writing and speech samples they get 0.79. Against the Gossett transcription (several paragraphs), they get a 0.91. Against Burnworth they get 0.77. And against my own comments on this site, they get 0.82, so unfortunately this software is a piece of crap. I KNOW I was napping at my Mommy's insistence during that skyjacking. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

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Yes - the way it presented on Google when I looked for a program like that is that its target audience is people playing "s/he loves me/loves me not" and/or determining compatibility. They state up front it's a developing science. Still, I'd never have guessed me for a skyjacker. (I prefer "skyjacktress"). I was too lazy to look for another such free program, but there may be some out there.  :) I may play with it again if/when I have more direct quotes/writing samples of various suspects to work with. I am curious about this kind of technology overall, as it's been used to spot plagiarism - whether conscious or unconscious - among very established authors.
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« Reply #2124 on: January 08, 2018, 03:54:52 AM »
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...I NEVER get stopped at airports, a miracle as your customs dudes always make me feel like I've done something even when I haven't. It's their EYES...


Don't feel too bad. The last time I crossed the broader (from BC to WA, and yes a woman was involved) I got treated by MY people like my last name was Escobar.

LOL - I had a little fun today with an online, very rudimentary Language Style matching site. I entered all the text I could find from Sheridan online (tons), a transcription of the Gossett paranormal program, and the (very limited) direct quotes I could find from Burnworth. The results were average/above average for ALL of them compared with Letter 5. From the site: "To give you an idea, most LSM scores for general writing samples range between .60 and .90, with the average being around .78. The more the authors of the two samples are thinking in similar ways, the higher the LSM."

Sheridan got a .76, Gossett a .78, and Burnworth a .81. (I had only a short paragraph's worth of quotes from him, though.)

Direct quotes from Cooper from Tina and Flo's statements compared against Letter 5 get a 0.83. Against 10 pages of Sheridan's writing and speech samples they get 0.79. Against the Gossett transcription (several paragraphs), they get a 0.91. Against Burnworth they get 0.77. And against my own comments on this site, they get 0.82, so unfortunately this software is a piece of crap. I KNOW I was napping at my Mommy's insistence during that skyjacking. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

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Yes - the way it presented on Google when I looked for a program like that is that its target audience is people playing "s/he loves me/loves me not" and/or determining compatibility. They state up front it's a developing science. Still, I'd never have guessed me for a skyjacker. (I prefer "skyjacktress"). I was too lazy to look for another such free program, but there may be some out there.  :) I may play with it again if/when I have more direct quotes/writing samples of various suspects to work with. I am curious about this kind of technology overall, as it's been used to spot plagiarism - whether conscious or unconscious - among very established authors.

Let us know how this works out. From my former life in Ed Psych Measurement I know people who work in linguistic forensics. These people are usually found in English Departments and rub shoulder with people in Classics.  The Classics people are constantly asking the forensic people to compare old manuscripts looking for overlap - who wrote this vs that etc. Keep us posted on this if you remember ... 
 

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« Reply #2125 on: January 08, 2018, 01:32:57 PM »
Sheridan Peterson is, by his own admission, a compelling DBC candidate based on skills and experience. His eyes, however, are the bluest you will ever see. He has no criminal record (other than a bogus arrest while doing civil rights work in the South) and abhors violence. When Sheridan was broke he'd always find a job, not resort to crime. I can't see him threatening to blow up an innocent crew just to get money. He has a very distinctive way of speaking which is obvious in the Case Closed interview. In his 90s, he is mentally sharp, articulate, very up to date on current affairs, fit and good looking. He would solo skydive today if any DZ would allow it. He has plenty of grudges relating to horrible atrocities he witnessed during his time in Nam. He worked at Boeing in Tech Documents, was a Smoke Jumper, Expert (D License) skydiver and USPA rated instructor. He also knew USFS Smoke Jumpers working for Air America in Nam. Could he be DB Cooper? Sure, but he'd have to have been wearing brown contacts. His eyes aren't just blue, they are piercing blue. A witness would be very unlikely to have seen those eyes and called them brown.

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« Reply #2126 on: January 08, 2018, 08:44:11 PM »
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Sheridan Peterson is, by his own admission, a compelling DBC candidate based on skills and experience. His eyes, however, are the bluest you will ever see. He has no criminal record (other than a bogus arrest while doing civil rights work in the South) and abhors violence. When Sheridan was broke he'd always find a job, not resort to crime. I can't see him threatening to blow up an innocent crew just to get money. He has a very distinctive way of speaking which is obvious in the Case Closed interview. In his 90s, he is mentally sharp, articulate, very up to date on current affairs, fit and good looking. He would solo skydive today if any DZ would allow it. He has plenty of grudges relating to horrible atrocities he witnessed during his time in Nam. He worked at Boeing in Tech Documents, was a Smoke Jumper, Expert (D License) skydiver and USPA rated instructor. He also knew USFS Smoke Jumpers working for Air America in Nam. Could he be DB Cooper? Sure, but he'd have to have been wearing brown contacts. His eyes aren't just blue, they are piercing blue. A witness would be very unlikely to have seen those eyes and called them brown.

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Yes, I was looking at him for a while mainly due to his skills and slightly open-ended alibi - HOWEVER - the contacts I could fly with, even a toupee, as I've missed those things myself to an embarrassing degree (didn't know either Don Knotts or Wojo wore toupees, that's how oblivious I am) but Sheridan's voice, to me at least, is very distinctive, and DB's by the FA's accounts wasn't. Apart from his brave acts for others (his defense of refugees in Vietnam being one), that voice is ultimately my biggest strike against him as a suspect. (I know he's moved about a bit in his life so I'm not sure what US region that particular accent originates in - it's why I thought that was his voice on the Bubbleator video. It reminds me of John Wayne slightly, but even that's not it. You Yanks would know better; it's not an inflection I've ever heard before.)

Character-wise, I don't know the man but while he does have DBC's nice mannerisms and is clearly well-educated and spoken, he does read as someone who would only commit a crime for a cause (as he did in what I'm assuming was the March Against Fear), not for monetary gain. He is also a person I wouldn't expect to have been unemployed for long, except by choice.  He's been very open with his life on the Internet, and I can say the more I've read by/of him, the more I admire him. He seems to have more energy today than I had even in my youth!

Wish me luck -I'm currently down the Gossett rabbit-hole. So far he seems fascinating but in a somewhat less admirable way! Entertaining though, gotta hand it to him. As mentioned before, I'm not at all on board with KC as a suspect, and in the same way that you cannot imagine someone not noticing the blue of Sheridan's eyes, I am not buying that the FAs could have missed ANY kind of aging makeup. That's one thing I DO know a crap-ton about, and there's no missing it at close quarters. Even if you were blind, you could SMELL it! So Shifty Bobby Rackstraw is out for me. 
 

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« Reply #2127 on: January 08, 2018, 09:19:06 PM »
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I'm not at all on board with KC as a suspect,

The main problem with KC is the fact of one person speaking for everyone. he tells you what others say? then he will turn around and demand proof on other suspects..

Kenny was the same height as Tina (5' 8") she stood right beside him..rumors has it Tina flew with Kenny after the hijacking, and you know they have seen his picture on the internet, or television. none of the claims have been backed up by them coming forward. this puts a huge red flag into play..

all the past "evidence" was debunked while we were still on Dropzone. now, all kinds of undocumented evidence has surfaced that can't be researched. agent Carr said it best..." the only thing that matches is him being a male" the FBI checked out employee's, contrary to the statements made by the person pushing Kenny. the whole theory revolves around Kenny being laid off repeatedly over the years...Cooper stated he didn't have a grudge against NW..two separate files have been sent to the FBI  with negative results...he tried to give them DNA but didn't follow the chain of evidence...which doesn't matter due to them always claiming it might not be his DNA anyway...it's amazing how the whole family drags him through the mud..it all started with his brother wanting to make a movie about his brother being DB Cooper....lots of deception has been uncovered with this suspect....it just doesn't fly with me what so ever....
 

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« Reply #2128 on: January 08, 2018, 10:46:52 PM »
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..Wish me luck -I'm currently down the Gossett rabbit-hole. So far he seems fascinating but in a somewhat less admirable way! Entertaining though, gotta hand it to him....
 

I love Wolfie. I wish people would research him more - not as a suspect in Norjak, but just to find out more about the man.

He was a super-trooper in the military. Then he developed a radio show that specializes in the paranormal. He exorcised ghosts and got on TV. Then he got a commendation from the FBI for his help in locating missing people, then assisted in extracting folks from some guru's hidey-hole.

Then he ended up living alone on the coast of Oregon and gambling compulsively until the end of his life.

Oh, and he had a ton o' wives...

Don't you want to know more about this guy - what made him tick? And what his was like as a dad? The docu on his life would make a great Netflix special.

Same with Kenny C. What did he do in Tokyo at night? What does any gay guy do on his lay-overs? The FAs I know develop special interests - it's a second life. The current fav for FAs is to become a day-trader or a commodities trader. I keep bugging RMB to investigate the other criminal activities KC could have gotten into that could have made him a ton o' money. Diamonds? Smuggling, laundering money?

I just heard an interesting interview with Dave Chappelle, who said that he got his big start in comedy as a kid in a club run by drug dealers who paid him exorbitantly (25K a week) as a way to launder money. He talked about how scared he was riding the subway home to Brooklyn with 25 K in cash in his back pack when he was 16.
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« Reply #2129 on: January 08, 2018, 10:57:10 PM »
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..Wish me luck -I'm currently down the Gossett rabbit-hole. So far he seems fascinating but in a somewhat less admirable way! Entertaining though, gotta hand it to him....
 

I love Wolfie. I wish people would research him more - not as a suspect in Norjak, but just to find out more about the man.

He was a super-trooper in the military. Then he developed a radio show that specializes in the paranormal. He exorcised ghosts and got on TV. Then he got a commendation from the FBI for his help in locating missing people, then assisted in extracting folks from some guru's hidey-hole.

Then he ended up living alone on the coast of Oregon and gambling compulsively until the end of his life.

Oh, and he had a ton o' wives...

Don't you want to know more about this guy - what made him tick? And what his was like as a dad? The docu on his life would make a great Netflix special.

Same with Kenny C. What did he do in Tokyo at night? What does any gay guy do on his lay-overs? The FAs I know develop special interests - it's a second life. The current fav for FAs is to become a day-trader or a commodities trader. I keep bugging RMB to investigate the other criminal activities KC could have gotten into that could have made him a ton o' money. Diamonds? Smuggling, laundering money?

I just heard an interesting interview with Dave Chappelle, who said that he got his big start in comedy as a kid in a club run by drug dealers who paid him exorbitantly (25K a week) as a way to launder money. He talked about how scared he was riding the subway home to Brooklyn with 25 K in cash in his back pack when he was 16.

Haha, you Cooperites are hijacking my brain now. Was going on about Dave Chappelle at work today. The Wayne Brady sketch.