Decoded is really not that bad of a show, as long as you use caution. it's not considered any type of Historical research venue. it's purpose is to attract viewers. If the show itself did any real research they would have found the same records we did, even more if they went to the Clerks office. they relied on what people told them. right out of the gate. Lyle told them the briefcase was Kenny's. they gave an illusion that it could be the briefcase used in the crime. they failed to research the records properly to give another opinion of where the money came from in the first place.

The public can be very gullible falling into traps such as these. I was in the paranormal world for a while. I had to argue with people believing some of the videos showing ghost activity. they would believe almost anything on camera. this includes being attacked on camera, a vacuum cleaner cleaning a floor, a microwave turning on & off by itself. the owners of these videos would use the very same tactics seen on DZ. they try and reverse things onto the person questioning the videos's. they try and to discredit anyway they can in order to make you stop. this is nothing new to me. the best line is, you can't prove he wasn't Cooper. I don't have a problem with anyone trying to prove who Cooper was. I have a problem with the approach that some of them use to continue forward.

Decoded is really not that bad of a show, as long as you use caution. it's not considered any type of Historical research venue. it's purpose is to attract viewers. If the show itself did any real research they would have found the same records we did, even more if they went to the Clerks office. they relied on what people told them. right out of the gate. Lyle told them the briefcase was Kenny's. they gave an illusion that it could be the briefcase used in the crime. they failed to research the records properly to give another opinion of where the money came from in the first place.

The public can be very gullible falling into traps such as these. I was in the paranormal world for a while. I had to argue with people believing some of the videos showing ghost activity. they would believe almost anything on camera. this includes being attacked on camera, a vacuum cleaner cleaning a floor, a microwave turning on & off by itself. the owners of these videos would use the very same tactics seen on DZ. they try and reverse things onto the person questioning the videos's. they try and to discredit anyway they can in order to make you stop. this is nothing new to me. the best line is, you can't prove he wasn't Cooper. I don't have a problem with anyone trying to prove who Cooper was. I have a problem with the approach that some of them use to continue forward.

When I was young I tried to argue the paranormals and other cult people back into mainstream reality but I got nowhere. Some of these peopleeven tried to convince me I had special powers; if only I would practice! I never fell for that but began reading studies of cults, then took a psych class where cult practices were discussed, and it suddenly became obvious some personality types cannot be talked back (or even scared back!), into a different mind set. That seemed ridiculous to me. I plain didn't believe that! Then I ran into a very experienced clinician who had an MD in psychiatry and I took his class. Wow! It was a wake up call for me. Not only are there some personality types who cannot be 'called back', there are some who actually take defeat (even jail time!) as a positive reinforcement of their 'cult-conspiracy' beliefs/doctrines. These people always rally, rebuild, sometimes go deeper than they were,
and that is the first time I heard the clinical term 'socio-affective disorder'. It is deep seated and probably has a
neurological component(s)! These people actually burn themselves on a stove multiple times, just to prove they have discovered some special means of control and power over others, not available to the normal population! The pain they see as a predictable but small price to pay for having special power over themselves in the social world they otherwise feel inferior in. The syndrome is real. The US  Dictionary of Occupational Titles even recognises the condition and makes use of it in predicting job success in certain occupations. I wont name those occupations!

Well, it seems the PDF on KC still remains inaccurate! This was taken from his new section on Cooper.

The thing most stunning to me is all of these financial transactions of Kenny is how so much of the information is readily available has NEVER been checked.  I've meant to go down there to Pierce County and look.  I've recently changed jobs, so I haven't had the time to take off and look myself.  Plus, it could take me a while since I don't know what to look for or how to go about it.

What would I look for?  Here is what I would expect.

1)  Property sales records of purchases by Kenny Christiansen and Helen Jones from 1971-1972.
2)  Mortgages or liens?
a)  IF Kenny lent Helen Jones money, is there a mortgage for that?   A recorded note?
b) Would there be a reconveyance if she paid him back.
c)  If Kenny assumed a mortgage for half of his purchase, might there be a recorded loan for the other half?  Maybe from the sellers?  If he bought the other half on a real estate contract, would that be recorded?
3) Tax records indicating sales prices on the properties?

The most curious item would be the alleged $5000 loan to Helen Jones.  If someone told me something like that, that would pique my interest.  Did someone I didn't know come over to my house and give me $5000 in a paper sack, with no note, no security, no mortgage?  And, how does a single woman with three or four kids pay that amount of money back in two years.  It's shocking that anyone would accept a story like that on face value.

If I ever have a day off that I can get down to Tacoma, I might do some searching on the old microfilm records.


Finally, Shutter and Georger on your comments on what people believe to be true for no reason at all -- It seems to apply to politics, what foods are healthy, which are harmful, global warming, pretty much everything.  People just believe things without any real basis for doing so.  My favorite quote on that comes from Will Rogers:

"It isn't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that ain't so. "

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Well, it seems the PDF on KC still remains inaccurate! This was taken from his new section on Cooper.

The thing most stunning to me is all of these financial transactions of Kenny is how so much of the information is readily available has NEVER been checked.  I've meant to go down there to Pierce County and look.  I've recently changed jobs, so I haven't had the time to take off and look myself.  Plus, it could take me a while since I don't know what to look for or how to go about it.

What would I look for?  Here is what I would expect.

1)  Property sales records of purchases by Kenny Christiansen and Helen Jones from 1971-1972.
2)  Mortgages or liens?
a)  IF Kenny lent Helen Jones money, is there a mortgage for that?   A recorded note?
b) Would there be a reconveyance if she paid him back.
c)  If Kenny assumed a mortgage for half of his purchase, might there be a recorded loan for the other half?  Maybe from the sellers?  If he bought the other half on a real estate contract, would that be recorded?
3) Tax records indicating sales prices on the properties?

The most curious item would be the alleged $5000 loan to Helen Jones.  If someone told me something like that, that would pique my interest.  Did someone I didn't know come over to my house and give me $5000 in a paper sack, with no note, no security, no mortgage?  And, how does a single woman with three or four kids pay that amount of money back in two years.  It's shocking that anyone would accept a story like that on face value.

If I ever have a day off that I can get down to Tacoma, I might do some searching on the old microfilm records.


Finally, Shutter and Georger on your comments on what people believe to be true for no reason at all -- It seems to apply to politics, what foods are healthy, which are harmful, global warming, pretty much everything.  People just believe things without any real basis for doing so.  My favorite quote on that comes from Will Rogers:

"It isn't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that ain't so. "

That's a great quote. If you ever do go looking for records, good luck. The whole thing could add up to a tempest in a teapot, but oh what great drama. These people could have lived a hum-drum life but from inside it may have been quite exciting and serious.

I received a video today I wish you could all see. I may try to get it to Shutter so he can share it, somehow. It was produced by professionals in our parent company, using a three year old as the central actor. It is unreal! It features this kid .... an extra bright and lovable little three year old! The quote on the photo is almost verbatum!

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You won't find any legal documents on the loan I'm guessing. we need to establish a home was purchased in that time frame (records).
The complete background on the house, mainly when, who purchased it, and of course the finance part of it. how long did the previous
owner have the house. we can discuss this in detail if we are going to go to the Clerks office.

Plus, I keep getting the name wrong...It's Dawn Androsko who borrowed the money, not Helen Jones.

Well, unfortunately it appears something like verifying the records is needed due to "the honesty clause". I've read to many times where he has claimed he had hard evidence, or as written a couple posts back. "We can definitely prove four things". he has zero proof $21,000 was spent on buying two homes, and loaning large sums of money. the records online just don't go that far back. it might cost about $20 or so. I was quoted $10 per search on the phone to the Clerks office. the house seems to have been purchased for $14,000 according to tax records, so just the sales would be fine. The mortgage was $16.00 a month according to the mortgage papers. I think he just let it ride over the years.

I believe he is basing this on $16,500 for the house, and $5,000 for the loan to give his quote of  "at least $21,000 in cash during an eight-month period"

Hopefully this could be done before August 9th?

what could possibly be added to make KC a suspect? even throwing around cash is nothing. he doesn't fit the profile. it's a last minute bluff. I didn't even realize Cooper was a "biz". kind of proves the reason don't it? If it was anything of value, it would of been turned over to the Seattle FBI...

Smoke and mirrors is a metaphor for a deceptive, fraudulent or insubstantial explanation or description. The source of the name is based on magicians' illusions, where magicians make objects appear or disappear by extending or retracting mirrors amid a distracting burst of smoke. The expression may have a connotation of virtuosity or cleverness in carrying out such a deception.

one can easily use this technique to bring a story about anything. as long as you run with the basic facts you can run with this side railing bits a pieces that are hard to figure out, or explain. the word "he could of" pops up far to often in this case.

Another error is has which I believe smokin pointed out was the warranty deed he thinks is the lot behind Kenny's house. it's not, it the warranty for the property the house is on. the photo shows the similarities that prove this.

"Guys, if Galen is right"

That's why I pointed out on DZ that neither has shown any proof. then all of the sudden the book is being pulled, and he is out of the "Cooper biz"

The author acts like Geestman really knows something! He has labeled Geestman a LIAR in advance. On the one hand he wants to use Geestman - on the other hand he has nullified Geestman in advance in case Geestman would say 'Kenny and I were somewhere else'. The author then gets to keep he claims.

All of the people who knew Kenny could stand between the author and a viable movie script, especially Geestman!
The truth of Kenny may be 180 degrees away from where the author wants Kenny to be, and that may be the whole reason for the author's extreme angst over Geestman. Remember, it was Geestman who called the author a "liar" first. Meanwhile there is a list of people who Gray says were a primary part of Kenny's life who the author has not developed. Let sleeping dogs alone? It doesn't fit with the script development?
The author claims these 'other people' had no important information vital to knowing Kenny! Gray said otherwise, and that is not what Porteous told Galen, if Galen is correct.
One report says Kenny was a 'flamming _______________ involved in grooming young men'!