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« Reply #1980 on: September 09, 2017, 04:32:29 PM »
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C'mon, Jimmy, jump right in - the water's fine! Vortex-Schmortex - we're all just swirling around in our own obsessions. 15+ plus years observing the Vortex from the edges, eh? And a DZ Vet? Impressive.

So who are all the witnesses saying that DBC was Mexican-American, Latino, etc. I only know of Florence saying that. Okay, Alice adds "wavy" hair, but that is not necessarily Latin, or even Italian. The Big 5 of Gregory, Spreckel, Mitchell, House and Labissoniere don't mention that aspect, do they? Please correct me if I'm wrong. I kind of gave up on reading the Colbert FOIA packet as my eyeballs were still rolling after wading through a hundred pages from GG's portfolio, and the segments from Skoland-Reichenbach in the Forum's vault. Yeah, the effing redactions are crazy.

I'd love to hear about your suspect pool. Have you seen my YouTube video that just went up a week ago? It states my point of view, and of course I encourage you to read my book! If you do, please let me know what you think.

Let me add something to the Mexican, Latino, whatever discussion.  In the early 1970s, I knew an engineer who had worked at Boeing a few years previously (he definitely was NOT Cooper) and he was 100 percent Italian.  He claimed that he had a darker skin tone than those of us who originated in Northern Europe.  I couldn't tell any difference whatsoever.  But perhaps a Mediterranean ancestry origin should be considered for Cooper.

Also remember that the three stews did not detect any regional dialect in Cooper's speech although they were from different parts of the USA.
 

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« Reply #1981 on: September 09, 2017, 09:11:49 PM »
First of all, I didn't say this at first, but from a non-participant on here in the 15 years I've been a Cooper weirdo---I think ALL of you are awesome. You guys keep this case alive. I even give reluctant kudos to guys like Rob Blevins and Jo Weber. I give kudos due to the many, many facepalms they've given me over the years. This case is so utterly baffling that it drives me (us) insane. That's why I (we) love it.

On nights I can't sleep I just think about all the possibilities of what could have happened and before I know it, I'm out cold.

I appreciate the warm welcome and I want to preface future posts by saying I think very highly of other people's opinions, even though I disagree with all the commonly talked about suspects. As for me, I'm a staff sergeant in the Air Force stationed at Fort Bragg. Home of the golden knights army parachute team (currently filing through their records looking for possible Cooper suspects) I think the lady that works at the museum thinks I'm weird because the first question I asked about the golden knights was if they jump at night. I'm from Washington State originally, Tacoma and then just south of Canada (Go BC Lions). I decided to finally participate on here because I think private sleuths are unsung heroes. I think Bruce, georger, 377, Robert99 and anyone I've forgotten are all great folks that add a lot to this thing.

I think Tom Colbert's recent find is going to turn out to be nada. Quite frankly.. where is the rest of this parachute that was buried there? I personally think the whole thing with him stinks to high hell. I pray the fbi doesn't pull an LD Cooper and try and say "yep okay case closed you solved it." Also...why on earth would cooper, who just risked his life for 200k, toss 50k into a random lake and hope the FBI finds it?!! Ludicrous, imho. No disrespect to Colbert. I think just he is a bit gullible, maybe. Not sure. Hasty, undoubtedly.

To Bruce- you're an excellent researcher. Georger- Thanks buddy, you are too. I'm just a Cooper weirdo, I'm afraid. My other sleuthing goes to the very solvable Teddy Conrad case. Bruce, do you think Florence is a so-so witness? Honest question. It's hard for me to tell. Also, I'll dig for the description about cooper being mexican. I personally think Cooper may have been French Canadian with native blood. There is a big population of them in BC as well as Oregon. But, I also think maybe Mediterranean. Truly don't know, honestly.

However- the RCAF aero medical evacuation squadron was staioned at McChord during the Korean War. Im still digging on that. Their home base was Manitoba, if Im not mistaken. That could be some sort of connection, maybe. I also think Cooper may have been an FAA guy. Did you guys see the FOIA page about the NWA 727 plane with the passenger asking all the weird questions the day before the hijacking? I'll post it, if not.

I think DB was probably not a career criminal. I say probably because I go back and forth. That said, I think the FBI wasted WAY too much time investigating crappy suspects like Bryant Coffelt. They devote about 30 pages to him in the FOIA docs. Baffling. Himmelsbach's idea that he was a "filthy crook" appears to be misguided. The FBI thought Cooper was going to be on the plane in Reno. They were shocked when he wasn't, I think. They were sloppy and expected it to be solved easily (at first). Ol Coop sure got em there.

Thanks again for the welcoming. Bruce, I'll get your book. I just finished the Rollins ebook. Dunno what to say about that, honestly. I'm sure you can guess my feelings.

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« Reply #1982 on: September 09, 2017, 10:26:15 PM »
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First of all, I didn't say this at first, but from a non-participant on here in the 15 years I've been a Cooper weirdo---I think ALL of you are awesome. You guys keep this case alive. I even give reluctant kudos to guys like Rob Blevins and Jo Weber. I give kudos due to the many, many facepalms they've given me over the years. This case is so utterly baffling that it drives me (us) insane. That's why I (we) love it.

On nights I can't sleep I just think about all the possibilities of what could have happened and before I know it, I'm out cold.

I appreciate the warm welcome and I want to preface future posts by saying I think very highly of other people's opinions, even though I disagree with all the commonly talked about suspects. As for me, I'm a staff sergeant in the Air Force stationed at Fort Bragg. Home of the golden knights army parachute team (currently filing through their records looking for possible Cooper suspects) I think the lady that works at the museum thinks I'm weird because the first question I asked about the golden knights was if they jump at night. I'm from Washington State originally, Tacoma and then just south of Canada (Go BC Lions). I decided to finally participate on here because I think private sleuths are unsung heroes. I think Bruce, georger, 377, Robert99 and anyone I've forgotten are all great folks that add a lot to this thing.

I think Tom Colbert's recent find is going to turn out to be nada. Quite frankly.. where is the rest of this parachute that was buried there? I personally think the whole thing with him stinks to high hell. I pray the fbi doesn't pull an LD Cooper and try and say "yep okay case closed you solved it." Also...why on earth would cooper, who just risked his life for 200k, toss 50k into a random lake and hope the FBI finds it?!! Ludicrous, imho. No disrespect to Colbert. I think just he is a bit gullible, maybe. Not sure. Hasty, undoubtedly.

To Bruce- you're an excellent researcher. Georger- Thanks buddy, you are too. I'm just a Cooper weirdo, I'm afraid. My other sleuthing goes to the very solvable Teddy Conrad case. Bruce, do you think Florence is a so-so witness? Honest question. It's hard for me to tell. Also, I'll dig for the description about cooper being mexican. I personally think Cooper may have been French Canadian with native blood. There is a big population of them in BC as well as Oregon. But, I also think maybe Mediterranean. Truly don't know, honestly.

However- the RCAF aero medical evacuation squadron was staioned at McChord during the Korean War. Im still digging on that. Their home base was Manitoba, if Im not mistaken. That could be some sort of connection, maybe. I also think Cooper may have been an FAA guy. Did you guys see the FOIA page about the NWA 727 plane with the passenger asking all the weird questions the day before the hijacking? I'll post it, if not.

I think DB was probably not a career criminal. I say probably because I go back and forth. That said, I think the FBI wasted WAY too much time investigating crappy suspects like Bryant Coffelt. They devote about 30 pages to him in the FOIA docs. Baffling. Himmelsbach's idea that he was a "filthy crook" appears to be misguided. The FBI thought Cooper was going to be on the plane in Reno. They were shocked when he wasn't, I think. They were sloppy and expected it to be solved easily (at first). Ol Coop sure got em there.

Thanks again for the welcoming. Bruce, I'll get your book. I just finished the Rollins ebook. Dunno what to say about that, honestly. I'm sure you can guess my feelings.

Jimmy,

Thanks for the information and, since I ask you to give it, here is some information on me.  I am a retired aeronautical engineer, retired general aviation pilot, and also did a small number of skydive parachute jumps in the early 1960s.  My engineering career was spent working for the DOD primarily in the area of research involving Vertical-Takeoff-and-Landing aircraft including non-helicopter types similar to the present day V-22.

From what I see above, you are in relatively good agreement with most of the old timers here.  Let me add here that I have also predicted that Cooper was, or had been, a member of the US military and/or an employee of a subcontractor to the DOD or other US government agency.

Do you know what type of aircraft the RCAF operated at McChord?  At the same time, let me say that in the 1960s and 1970s, I knew a number of Canadian engineering types that were graduates of the University of Toronto and not one of them had an accent of any kind.  They basically spoke standard "American" English.  I also knew a number of British engineering types and they basically spoke standard "American" English as well.  So, in my opinion, it is entirely possible that Cooper could have been a Canadian.

For your information, Georger and I have been trying to get some professional criminal profilers interested in the Cooper hijacking.  We have not been successful so far but the day is still young on that matter.  Anyway, all angles are being checked into in the Cooper matter so please stay actively involved.

Again, welcome to this forum and you have found a home here. :)  If you have any questions I can help you with then just let me know.

Robert99 
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1983 on: September 09, 2017, 11:31:38 PM »
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First of all, I didn't say this at first, but from a non-participant on here in the 15 years I've been a Cooper weirdo---I think ALL of you are awesome. You guys keep this case alive. I even give reluctant kudos to guys like Rob Blevins and Jo Weber. I give kudos due to the many, many facepalms they've given me over the years. This case is so utterly baffling that it drives me (us) insane. That's why I (we) love it.

On nights I can't sleep I just think about all the possibilities of what could have happened and before I know it, I'm out cold.

I appreciate the warm welcome and I want to preface future posts by saying I think very highly of other people's opinions, even though I disagree with all the commonly talked about suspects. As for me, I'm a staff sergeant in the Air Force stationed at Fort Bragg. Home of the golden knights army parachute team (currently filing through their records looking for possible Cooper suspects) I think the lady that works at the museum thinks I'm weird because the first question I asked about the golden knights was if they jump at night. I'm from Washington State originally, Tacoma and then just south of Canada (Go BC Lions). I decided to finally participate on here because I think private sleuths are unsung heroes. I think Bruce, georger, 377, Robert99 and anyone I've forgotten are all great folks that add a lot to this thing.

I think Tom Colbert's recent find is going to turn out to be nada. Quite frankly.. where is the rest of this parachute that was buried there? I personally think the whole thing with him stinks to high hell. I pray the fbi doesn't pull an LD Cooper and try and say "yep okay case closed you solved it." Also...why on earth would cooper, who just risked his life for 200k, toss 50k into a random lake and hope the FBI finds it?!! Ludicrous, imho. No disrespect to Colbert. I think just he is a bit gullible, maybe. Not sure. Hasty, undoubtedly.

To Bruce- you're an excellent researcher. Georger- Thanks buddy, you are too. I'm just a Cooper weirdo, I'm afraid. My other sleuthing goes to the very solvable Teddy Conrad case. Bruce, do you think Florence is a so-so witness? Honest question. It's hard for me to tell. Also, I'll dig for the description about cooper being mexican. I personally think Cooper may have been French Canadian with native blood. There is a big population of them in BC as well as Oregon. But, I also think maybe Mediterranean. Truly don't know, honestly.

However- the RCAF aero medical evacuation squadron was staioned at McChord during the Korean War. Im still digging on that. Their home base was Manitoba, if Im not mistaken. That could be some sort of connection, maybe. I also think Cooper may have been an FAA guy. Did you guys see the FOIA page about the NWA 727 plane with the passenger asking all the weird questions the day before the hijacking? I'll post it, if not.

I think DB was probably not a career criminal. I say probably because I go back and forth. That said, I think the FBI wasted WAY too much time investigating crappy suspects like Bryant Coffelt. They devote about 30 pages to him in the FOIA docs. Baffling. Himmelsbach's idea that he was a "filthy crook" appears to be misguided. The FBI thought Cooper was going to be on the plane in Reno. They were shocked when he wasn't, I think. They were sloppy and expected it to be solved easily (at first). Ol Coop sure got em there.

Thanks again for the welcoming. Bruce, I'll get your book. I just finished the Rollins ebook. Dunno what to say about that, honestly. I'm sure you can guess my feelings.

Please post this: [However- the RCAF aero medical evacuation squadron was staioned at McChord during the Korean War. Im still digging on that. Their home base was Manitoba, if Im not mistaken. That could be some sort of connection, maybe. I also think Cooper may have been an FAA guy. Did you guys see the FOIA page about the NWA 727 plane with the passenger asking all the weird questions the day before the hijacking? I'll post it, if not.]
 

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« Reply #1984 on: September 09, 2017, 11:50:39 PM »
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First of all, I didn't say this at first, but from a non-participant on here in the 15 years I've been a Cooper weirdo---I think ALL of you are awesome. You guys keep this case alive. I even give reluctant kudos to guys like Rob Blevins and Jo Weber. I give kudos due to the many, many facepalms they've given me over the years. This case is so utterly baffling that it drives me (us) insane. That's why I (we) love it.

On nights I can't sleep I just think about all the possibilities of what could have happened and before I know it, I'm out cold.

I appreciate the warm welcome and I want to preface future posts by saying I think very highly of other people's opinions, even though I disagree with all the commonly talked about suspects. As for me, I'm a staff sergeant in the Air Force stationed at Fort Bragg. Home of the golden knights army parachute team (currently filing through their records looking for possible Cooper suspects) I think the lady that works at the museum thinks I'm weird because the first question I asked about the golden knights was if they jump at night. I'm from Washington State originally, Tacoma and then just south of Canada (Go BC Lions). I decided to finally participate on here because I think private sleuths are unsung heroes. I think Bruce, georger, 377, Robert99 and anyone I've forgotten are all great folks that add a lot to this thing.

I think Tom Colbert's recent find is going to turn out to be nada. Quite frankly.. where is the rest of this parachute that was buried there? I personally think the whole thing with him stinks to high hell. I pray the fbi doesn't pull an LD Cooper and try and say "yep okay case closed you solved it." Also...why on earth would cooper, who just risked his life for 200k, toss 50k into a random lake and hope the FBI finds it?!! Ludicrous, imho. No disrespect to Colbert. I think just he is a bit gullible, maybe. Not sure. Hasty, undoubtedly.

To Bruce- you're an excellent researcher. Georger- Thanks buddy, you are too. I'm just a Cooper weirdo, I'm afraid. My other sleuthing goes to the very solvable Teddy Conrad case. Bruce, do you think Florence is a so-so witness? Honest question. It's hard for me to tell. Also, I'll dig for the description about cooper being mexican. I personally think Cooper may have been French Canadian with native blood. There is a big population of them in BC as well as Oregon. But, I also think maybe Mediterranean. Truly don't know, honestly.

However- the RCAF aero medical evacuation squadron was staioned at McChord during the Korean War. Im still digging on that. Their home base was Manitoba, if Im not mistaken. That could be some sort of connection, maybe. I also think Cooper may have been an FAA guy. Did you guys see the FOIA page about the NWA 727 plane with the passenger asking all the weird questions the day before the hijacking? I'll post it, if not.

I think DB was probably not a career criminal. I say probably because I go back and forth. That said, I think the FBI wasted WAY too much time investigating crappy suspects like Bryant Coffelt. They devote about 30 pages to him in the FOIA docs. Baffling. Himmelsbach's idea that he was a "filthy crook" appears to be misguided. The FBI thought Cooper was going to be on the plane in Reno. They were shocked when he wasn't, I think. They were sloppy and expected it to be solved easily (at first). Ol Coop sure got em there.

Thanks again for the welcoming. Bruce, I'll get your book. I just finished the Rollins ebook. Dunno what to say about that, honestly. I'm sure you can guess my feelings.

While dna did not exist as a strong forensic tool in 71 other biological tests were being used to establish identity and as a general forensic tool. I can only assume the FBI tested the butts accordingly? We dont know what tests were done. Its a large gap in this case. Was any forensic evidence used in looking at suspects? If so, what.

Likewise Im not impressed with the 'storming' of the plane by agents and dogs at Reno. According to some the dogs did a lot of damage inside the aircraft? I know Geoff Gray was interested in this when he was writing his book. The storm-trooper action of the agents boarding the plane seems superfluous, maybe even harmful to evidence. Scott had already gone to the back and looked for Cooper and reported the hijacker was gone before Scott. They likely knew Cooper was gone but they stormed the plane anyway.       
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« Reply #1985 on: September 10, 2017, 11:46:51 AM »
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...Bruce, do you think Florence is a so-so witness? Honest question. It's hard for me to tell. Also, I'll dig for the description about cooper being mexican. I personally think Cooper may have been French Canadian with native blood. There is a big population of them in BC as well as Oregon. But, I also think maybe Mediterranean. Truly don't know, honestly....Thanks again for the welcoming. Bruce, I'll get your book. I just finished the Rollins ebook. Dunno what to say about that, honestly. I'm sure you can guess my feelings.


I think Florence is credible in the sense that she can tell her story as she remembers it. Is she anxious and uptight? Yes, I believe so. Truthful and accurate? Maybe. But the bigger issue is that she's not talking, and the question is why.  Geoffrey Gray is reportedly the last guy to talk with her and he writes that Flo said some remarkable stuff to him, such as the pix of Kenny Christiansen being the best she's seen so far, and that has not been confirmed - but some folks really ran with it.

Galen has spoken with her by phone on several occasions, but not recently, and he describes Florence as giving him inconsistent descriptions of events, as I recall in my discussion with Galen.

As for Bill Rollins, I like Bill and I respect his research. What I like most is his keen attention to the emotional and psychological components of Cooper and Norjak. What was "The Grudge?" Bill can certainly think outside the box, and I think that serves us well. Do I think DBC is Lakich? Nope. Do I think DBC was able to find the Merwin Dam and his Alumacraft boat using homemade directional equipment? Not really, but it's possible. Did DBC really know where he was? Probably in a general sense, but pinpointing Merwin Dam is a stretch in my judgment.

Thanks for your kind words, and enjoy the book!
 

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« Reply #1986 on: September 10, 2017, 11:52:10 AM »
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...Likewise Im not impressed with the 'storming' of the plane by agents and dogs at Reno. According to some the dogs did a lot of damage inside the aircraft? I know Geoff Gray was interested in this when he was writing his book. The storm-trooper action of the agents boarding the plane seems superfluous, maybe even harmful to evidence. Scott had already gone to the back and looked for Cooper and reported the hijacker was gone before Scott. They likely knew Cooper was gone but they stormed the plane anyway. 
     

Can you give us more information on this "storming of the plane," Georger? Calame does not describe the events in Reno in that fashion. Rather, Russ and Bernie write that Red Campbell held his guys back and wanted to be a solo combat warrior and enter the plane alone. Once Campbell gave the all-clear, then the rest of his four-man team entered.

As I have written before, in terms of the dogs and destroying the plane's interior, Bill Rataczak told me that the first thing the two German Shepherds did when they entered the plane was gobble the food DBC left for the crew on the first seat row. That's all I know about dogs and destruction. Do you know any more details?
 

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« Reply #1987 on: September 10, 2017, 02:52:09 PM »
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...Likewise Im not impressed with the 'storming' of the plane by agents and dogs at Reno. According to some the dogs did a lot of damage inside the aircraft? I know Geoff Gray was interested in this when he was writing his book. The storm-trooper action of the agents boarding the plane seems superfluous, maybe even harmful to evidence. Scott had already gone to the back and looked for Cooper and reported the hijacker was gone before Scott. They likely knew Cooper was gone but they stormed the plane anyway. 
     

Can you give us more information on this "storming of the plane," Georger? Calame does not describe the events in Reno in that fashion. Rather, Russ and Bernie write that Red Campbell held his guys back and wanted to be a solo combat warrior and enter the plane alone. Once Campbell gave the all-clear, then the rest of his four-man team entered.

As I have written before, in terms of the dogs and destroying the plane's interior, Bill Rataczak told me that the first thing the two German Shepherds did when they entered the plane was gobble the food DBC left for the crew on the first seat row. That's all I know about dogs and destruction. Do you know any more details?

Most of what I said comes from Geoff Gray ... Gray described the agents as being cavalier and the dogs as being very destructive and out of control? Beyond that Gray did not elaborate.

I want to know what tests were ordered (by who) on what evidence? Serological tests on the butts? That alone might have yielded information about race and ethnic origin. That information could be compared to later dna test results. I want to know what testing was done. Very likely we will never know in time to actually do anything with it; or all of the wrong people will be informed! The whole thing has already moved to the "unbelievable stage"! He said, she said, etc. It has long ago ceased to matter what anybody thinks!

Construction and repairs at the Ariel store continue in a serious fashion ... congrats to Bryan Woodruff.     

 
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« Reply #1988 on: September 12, 2017, 06:37:20 PM »
If the FBI was confident that Cooper had a dark complexion and brown eyes why pay any attention at all to Sheridan Peterson who has neither? They interviewed him twice and insisted on a DNA sample. Tells us something about how little confidence they had in witness descriptions and the accuracy of the composite drawing(s).

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« Reply #1989 on: September 12, 2017, 07:19:52 PM »
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If the FBI was confident that Cooper had a dark complexion and brown eyes why pay any attention at all to Sheridan Peterson who has neither? They interviewed him twice and insisted on a DNA sample. Tells us something about how little confidence they had in witness descriptions and the accuracy of the composite drawing(s).

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I don't think there main problem is the description, it would be the sketch. I think at some points they didn't care and ran with it. now, it's micro managed and not as easy with "hunches" and "what the hell's" they didn't really look into Christiansen that well due to his description and the fact of him not being ID'd by an employee...regardless to what some say about not knowing who is who while working there. if that was the case, then why would he be scared to show up at any events..reading the 302's show that they checked every lead...now, not so much...$$$$$$$$$ it's not worth it..
 

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« Reply #1990 on: September 12, 2017, 07:32:28 PM »
It's there job/rule to check all leads. I think depending on who was in charge might have given all the room needed to try and catch him..I think they basically came down to everything has been beaten to death with a lot of this case. suspects have been going for decades in some cases. they are all very similar in one way or the other..they just don't stop, like some drug crazed guy looking for a fix..you prove one point, and they find another to replace that part, round and round it goes.

If Cooper survived, he's not in any of the known suspects that I can think of..like Jo, I'll bet I could link my dad into this somehow if I tried hard enough..
 

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« Reply #1991 on: September 12, 2017, 08:27:19 PM »
If you did link your Dad into Norjack, within days Jo would claim that Duane had a connection with him.

Duane knew Rackstraw, according to Jo.

He knew McCoy too and felt responsible for his death.

Duane was also a packer and spotter for USFS Smoke Jumpers, according to Jo.

Duane also was involved in the Fulton Skyhook pickups, according to Jo.

As soon as TK postulated Tektronix as a possible source for exotic materials found on the tie, Duane also worked for Tektronix, according to Jo.

Find any fact or person that might be connected with Norjack and Duane will be linked.

It's called covering your bases.  ;)

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« Reply #1992 on: September 12, 2017, 11:15:42 PM »
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If the FBI was confident that Cooper had a dark complexion and brown eyes why pay any attention at all to Sheridan Peterson who has neither? They interviewed him twice and insisted on a DNA sample. Tells us something about how little confidence they had in witness descriptions and the accuracy of the composite drawing(s).

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Covering all bases plus different generation of agents .. different approach.
 

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If you did link your Dad into Norjack, within days Jo would claim that Duane had a connection with him.

Duane knew Rackstraw, according to Jo.

He knew McCoy too and felt responsible for his death.

Duane was also a packer and spotter for USFS Smoke Jumpers, according to Jo.

Duane also was involved in the Fulton Skyhook pickups, according to Jo.

As soon as TK postulated Tektronix as a possible source for exotic materials found on the tie, Duane also worked for Tektronix, according to Jo.

Find any fact or person that might be connected with Norjack and Duane will be linked.

It's called covering your bases.  ;)

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Jo and Duane knew Adam and Eve. :-X  Or was it Konan and Valeria?
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« Reply #1994 on: September 13, 2017, 04:20:34 AM »
Why don't we just ask Jo! I hear she's down at the beach, last seen with a shovel in her hand, with a bucket.