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And how was Tina supposed to find the buried money? Doesnt this plant theory ignore the now well documented shard field that occupied a lot of area and volume of sand below the Brian Ingram bills? Nobody planted that shard field.

I used to think a plant was possible. After Shutter found that TV news footage showing clearly identifiable currency chards that were distributed throughout a large volume of subsurface sand, I gave up on the plant theories.

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The chard field only suggests the money was there at least 6monthss and probably a year or two, beyond that I would say you wouldn't have found much of anything at all. The rubber bands being intact suggests less than 1 year. At the risk of derailing the suspects thread I'll just say my theory is .....Yeah, a long shot possibly flawed...., I know. But hey, it's fun to speculate.... 

Do you have a theory as to how and why the bundles of money were found under only a couple of INCHES of sand while some of the chards were found at depths of two or three FEET in the sand?

The TV segment that 377 refers to above shows a large chard being dug out of about a two foot pit and then handed to another FBI agent.  The agent's name was Dorwin Schrauder (sp?) and he then walked about five or ten feet to the camera and showed the chard and stated that it looked like it had been buried there about "4, 5, or 6 years", or words to that effect.

For a chard to be buried that deep is going to require a lot of sand being moved and probably by water that was quite a bit higher than the elevation where the chard was found.

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And how was Tina supposed to find the buried money? Doesnt this plant theory ignore the now well documented shard field that occupied a lot of area and volume of sand below the Brian Ingram bills? Nobody planted that shard field.

I used to think a plant was possible. After Shutter found that TV news footage showing clearly identifiable currency chards that were distributed throughout a large volume of subsurface sand, I gave up on the plant theories.

377

The chard field only suggests the money was there at least 6monthss and probably a year or two, beyond that I would say you wouldn't have found much of anything at all. The rubber bands being intact suggests less than 1 year. At the risk of derailing the suspects thread I'll just say my theory is .....Yeah, a long shot possibly flawed...., I know. But hey, it's fun to speculate.... 

Do you have a theory as to how and why the bundles of money were found under only a couple of INCHES of sand while some of the chards were found at depths of two or three FEET in the sand?

The TV segment that 377 refers to above shows a large chard being dug out of about a two foot pit and then handed to another FBI agent.  The agent's name was Dorwin Schrauder (sp?) and he then walked about five or ten feet to the camera and showed the chard and stated that it looked like it had been buried there about "4, 5, or 6 years", or words to that effect.

For a chard to be buried that deep is going to require a lot of sand being moved and probably by water that was quite a bit higher than the elevation where the chard was found.

Well I can't speak for the Pacific NW, but I have a buddy who has a cabin on one of the rare sandy shores of Lake Superior and I can say first hand, that sand can move alot in a very short period of time. Feet tops of sand can move feet away overnight, I've seen it. Add in winter and sometimes we wonder how the cabin escapes being buried, indeed some lower lying ones down the road do get buried halfway up the walls at times.
While surely the shores of the Columbia there are much less windy and turbulent than Lake Superior, I would think regardless, any chards of paper money in sand for more than a year or two would be completely disintegrated. Of course, that would need tested out, I don't think I've seen that test if someone's done it. I've seen the buried rubber bands in sand and money held underwater for a long period of time, but not money or more specifically chards of money in sand test.

For your information, several tests are currently underway on both paper money and rubber bands and are specific to the Tina Bar environment.  Hopefully, something meaningful will come from these tests.

Hola DB Cooper sleuths,

Well, after ten long years reading the drop zone forum, as well as this forum, I've decided to make my first post. Some may say that I'm entering the "vortex" but I assure you, I've been down the rabbit hole for 15+ years. When I was a boy I found a book by Rich Tosaw caller "DB Cooper, Dead or Alive?" From then on, DB Cooper became an obsession. Also of note, the second book I ever read on this case was "DB Cooper, What Really Happened" by a fellow named Max Gunther.

Anyway, having read and reread the new FOIA volumes (what in God's name is with all the effing redaction), I wanted to point out a few things that cannot be overlooked.

-Cooper was described as being Latin or Mexican American by nearly every single witness. This is a huge thing. One doesn't describe somebody as being possibly Latin if they don't look it. Could your suspect pass for Latin American if they're pulled over? No? Scratch them off the list and move along.

-Robert Rackstraw is DEFINITELY NOT Dan Cooper. He is a white guy with blue eyes that was faaaar too young to have been Cooper. How is he still being discussed?? Interesting guy, yes. Career criminal? Certainly. Does Tom colbert want to make a DB Cooper movie using Rackstraw as the basis? 100%. That's why he doesn't want people around him/his team that know about the case. Because anybody that knows about the case can dismiss Rackstraw immediately and that's pesky when you have a narrative you're trying to sell.

-Ken Christian. Obviously not Cooper. First of all, what kind of goofball would hijack their own airline? How silly and ridiculous. Why not pick United or somewhere that you won't immediately be noticed? This theory is ridiculous. Not only that, but he was a short, totally bald white man. Does that sound like the descriptions give on cooper according to the FOIA docs? Next.

-Duane Weber, while not DB Cooper, probably looks the most like the hijacker as far as skin tone, hair, age etc.

-Melvin Wilson? Yeah, right.

-Sheridan Peterson? White guy, blue eyes. No way. Balding too severely. Just because a suspect sounds awesome doesn't mean they're a good suspect. Sheridan falls into this category.

I also want to add that most eyewitnesses said that the sketches of the hijacker didn't look like him. Especially the early "Bing Crosby" sketch. It was almost unanimously panned by eyewitnesses. Florence Shaffner said "it really doesn't look anything like him." So I think it's important to cease comparing people to that sketch.

Anyway, I think the importance of understanding that a good suspect must either be Latin American, Mexican american or look like he possibly could be, cannot be overstated. Also, DB Cooper was in his 40s. He was described being almost as old as 50. If your suspect is 25-32, there's no way in hell that it's him. Sorry. That's just a few years older than the stewardesses! Don't you think they'd have noticed if the guy was close to them in age?? Tina M sat next toy him for two hours!

Also, I have a big problem with any theory involving an extraction team or predetermined jump point that somebody claims was precisely pinpointed prior to hijacking. I'm ready to argue so please, by all means, test me on this topic.

Lastly, I have no suspect myself, but I do have an idea of where one may have come from. Several, actually.


Thank you Shutter for approving my registration. Good luck in the storm. I'm excited to finally volley with you folks after years of remaining silent. I'd like to also point out a few very important and perhaps overlooked pages in the FOIA docs.


Respectfully,

Jimmy