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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #195 on: May 18, 2014, 09:01:35 PM »
Shutter.    Tina Mucklow the Flight Attendant was 5 ft 8 in tall and had to look up to see DB Coopers eyes. The shorter identification (less than 6 ft) is a bogus thought from Gray/Blevins to try to match KC's 5 ft 8 in actual height. It is not a fact and should be ignored. KC is just tooooo short. Forget him and please don't waist any more of our time here.
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« Reply #196 on: May 18, 2014, 09:17:10 PM »
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Shutter.    Tina Mucklow the Flight Attendant was 5 ft 8 in tall and had to look up to see DB Coopers eyes. The shorter identification (less than 6 ft) is a bogus thought from Gray/Blevins to try to match KC's 5 ft 8 in actual height. It is not a fact and should be ignored. KC is just tooooo short. Forget him and please don't waist any more of our time here.
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I agree Sail, the height is wrong, it's not wasting anyone's time here. actually several are interested in collecting records of proof to help clear the whole mess up. we can't just shut things out. I understand your aggravation, but it's better to clear it up, or continue to hear about it from other sources. the topic comes and goes. it doesn't tie up anything. if you would like to change the subject, it's not a problem, but it can't be ignored simply because KC is not considered a suspect. lots of people think differently, so when and if they come here. actual proof will be recorded that is possibly being portrayed differently somewhere else.

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« Reply #197 on: May 28, 2014, 03:15:28 PM »
Many people claim the FBI does nothing. they have to follow any leads in a case. If, lets say, a PDF was sent to them. they would certainly follow up on it. if you don't hear anything, this typically means a dead end followed the report!

Ayn Dietrich,from the FBI said this:

"Being an open but not active case, we respond to every report or lead. Our case agent will check them out and determine whether they're credible. We're not out there combing for more evidence but we've kept it open in the belief that there could be something out there. The money has surfaced before and perhaps more will surface."

She goes on to say this:

She insists all the suspects still being touted by Cooper sleuths have been ruled out — either because they don't match the DNA or fingerprints they have on file, or because the descriptions just don't match up. But then she opens up with something new — and this is where the latest evidence revealed this weekend comes from:


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« Reply #198 on: May 28, 2014, 03:51:23 PM »
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Many people claim the FBI does nothing. they have to follow any leads in a case. If, lets say, a PDF was sent to them. they would certainly follow up on it. if you don't hear anything, this typically means a dead end followed the report!

Ayn Dietrich,from the FBI said this:

"Being an open but not active case, we respond to every report or lead. Our case agent will check them out and determine whether they're credible. We're not out there combing for more evidence but we've kept it open in the belief that there could be something out there. The money has surfaced before and perhaps more will surface."

She goes on to say this:

She insists all the suspects still being touted by Cooper sleuths have been ruled out — either because they don't match the DNA or fingerprints they have on file, or because the descriptions just don't match up. But then she opens up with something new — and this is where the latest evidence revealed this weekend comes from:


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Is there a reference for when and where Ayn Dietrich said this?  A LOT of people seem to have missed this?

 

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« Reply #199 on: May 28, 2014, 03:55:15 PM »
It doesn't show a date on it?..it was from an interview... "Hannaford recently met with Dietrich, who told him:" Alex Hannaford,


It appears to be from 2002. it states 8 years after KC's death in 1994..."Another suspect is Kenny Christiansen, a former paratrooper who died in 1994. Eight years ago," was Lyle around in 2002?
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #200 on: May 28, 2014, 04:24:53 PM »
Alex Hannafords profile below.


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« Reply #201 on: May 28, 2014, 04:27:22 PM »
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It doesn't show a date on it?..it was from an interview... "Hannaford recently met with Dietrich, who told him:" Alex Hannaford,


It appears to be from 2002. it states 8 years after KC's death in 1994...

Another Peter told Paul told Mary ....  Cooperland is full of this.

The whole world seems to be wallowing now.





 
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« Reply #202 on: May 28, 2014, 04:39:14 PM »
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It doesn't show a date on it?..it was from an interview... "Hannaford recently met with Dietrich, who told him:" Alex Hannaford,


It appears to be from 2002. it states 8 years after KC's death in 1994...

Another Peter told Paul told Mary ....  Cooperland is full of this.

The whole world seems to be wallowing now.


I posted on your post...oops.

Dietrich has mentioned before that KC was not a suspect. I see now it must be 2011. she talks about Marla's case just before it went public.

"You're the first to know this, but we do actually have a new suspect we're looking at. And it comes from a credible lead who came to our attention recently via a law enforcement colleague." I'm stunned. Dietrich says she can't tell me much more, but like all the Cooper sleuths I've met over the past few days, I too have become a little obsessed with the case. "The credible lead is somebody whose possible connection to the hijacker is strong," she says. "And the suspect is not a name that's come up before." Dietrich says agents have sent an item that belongs to him for testing at the forensics lab in Quantico, Virginia. "We're hoping there are fingerprints they can take off of it," she says. "It would be a significant lead. And this is looking like our most promising one to date."

It's a pending investigation, and she can't tell me any more. I push her to see if she can say whether the suspect is still alive. "Generally, the large majority of subjects we look into now are already deceased based on the timing of this," she says. I follow up with Dietrich a week after my visit, but she says it could be some time before the FBI gets the results back.
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« Reply #203 on: May 28, 2014, 05:09:42 PM »
You should like this one G....

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We've been waiting all week for word of the success or failure of New York magazine's sort-of maybe kinda identification of D. B. Cooper—who has become something of an American myth since he hijacked a Northwest plane in 1971 and made off with $200,000. So far we've gotten not much: "Bonney Lake residents doubt neighbor was D. B. Cooper," says the AP today. Meh. The suspect's brother, Lyle Christiansen of Minnesota, really really wanted Nora Ephron to direct the movie but of course she didn't even return his letters. (Just like that Eminem song Stan.) But how reliable a narrator is Lyle? In order to send Ephron the letter, he paid a gumshoe $495 to find her address. Really, how can one rely on the word of a man who can't figure out how Whitepages.com works?
 

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« Reply #204 on: May 28, 2014, 05:26:36 PM »
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We've been waiting all week for word of the success or failure of New York magazine's sort-of maybe kinda identification of D. B. Cooper—who has become something of an American myth since he hijacked a Northwest plane in 1971 and made off with $200,000. So far we've gotten not much: "Bonney Lake residents doubt neighbor was D. B. Cooper," says the AP today. Meh. The suspect's brother, Lyle Christiansen of Minnesota, really really wanted Nora Ephron to direct the movie but of course she didn't even return his letters. (Just like that Eminem song Stan.) But how reliable a narrator is Lyle? In order to send Ephron the letter, he paid a gumshoe $495 to find her address. Really, how can one rely on the word of a man who can't figure out how Whitepages.com works?

What I not anointed enough to comprehend is WHY Gray wrote the article on KC in the first place _ unless it was just one more opportunity for exploitation on a slow news day? The same for Pasternak on Duane Weber! These guys must have one helluva lot of time on their hands with nothing better to do!

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« Reply #205 on: May 28, 2014, 05:31:37 PM »
well, it seems Lyle tried to script his idea first. once that failed he tried to push him as a suspect through Skippy, and the FBI. this would give him the publicity he was looking for in order to grab the attention of "Hollywood" or screen writers. he used Skipp to gain attention in the case it appears to me? I'm constantly reading on site after site about Lyle being "creative" this appears to be as "creative" as one can get. they ruled KC out in 2007. here we are in 2014.....

"He's not a viable suspect," FBI spokeswoman Robbie Burroughs said.
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« Reply #206 on: May 28, 2014, 10:07:18 PM »
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We've been waiting all week for word of the success or failure of New York magazine's sort-of maybe kinda identification of D. B. Cooper—who has become something of an American myth since he hijacked a Northwest plane in 1971 and made off with $200,000. So far we've gotten not much: "Bonney Lake residents doubt neighbor was D. B. Cooper," says the AP today. Meh. The suspect's brother, Lyle Christiansen of Minnesota, really really wanted Nora Ephron to direct the movie but of course she didn't even return his letters. (Just like that Eminem song Stan.) But how reliable a narrator is Lyle? In order to send Ephron the letter, he paid a gumshoe $495 to find her address. Really, how can one rely on the word of a man who can't figure out how Whitepages.com works?

What I not anointed enough to comprehend is WHY Gray wrote the article on KC in the first place _ unless it was just one more opportunity for exploitation on a slow news day? The same for Pasternak on Duane Weber! These guys must have one helluva lot of time on their hands with nothing better to do!

Jesus wept!

Why did Gray write the article?  Maybe it was just a good story, and someone would pay him to write it.

When he wrote the article, it was about Kenny.  By the time, he wrote his book, it was about four suspects -- Kenny, Barb, McCoy and Duane.  I asked him at last year's symposium who his current preferred suspect was and he said he was interested in Peterson.

He obviously is still interested in the topic -- he did come back for the 2013 symposium, but he doesn't follow it as closely as most of us do.   When Vicki met him at that symposium, Gray didn't know who Mel Wilson was.  That was surprising since Mel Wilson was brought up at the 2011 symposium, which Gray hosted.

Gray was coy on what he really thinks.  He seemed to have kept in touch with Carr and that might be why he doesn't feel like he should speculate.
 

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« Reply #207 on: May 28, 2014, 10:24:51 PM »
sometimes holding back doesn't work. I think most of the time the cards should be put on the table. it's the only way to resolve an issue.

Gray might be corporatized now. the lights on, but nobody is home  8)
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #208 on: June 09, 2014, 10:03:01 AM »
Well, it seems the PDF on KC still remains inaccurate! This was taken from his new section on Cooper.

6) She testified that Christiansen not only purchased the house in Bonney Lake and the adjoining lot for
cash
, but also a large wooded lot behind what is now the Bonney Lake Safeway. Tyner added that
Christiansen told her he bought this wooded lot after he bought the house, which means it was done
post-hijacking. (We already know that Christiansen later made a great deal of money selling off the
trees on that lot)
7) After Christiansen’s death, she and her husband received the house, but sold it shortly after probate
cleared. They then moved to Nevada, and Carolyn divorced him. She also stated that her ex-husband
Robin Powell was once charged with attempted murder on his own mother, and when he drinks he
sometimes becomes violent. ‘He put me into the hospital more than once,’ she says.

He fails to check records which is his biggest mistake. Robin Powell was never charged with attempted murder. he has other assault charges, but this shows exaggeration. He also still has the photo of the adjoining lot for $10. he fails to note that the large sum of money at the ending of KC's life came from the large lot he purchased prior to 1971. the acres sold for $17,000 each and the lot had over a dozen acres. I believe the records indicate over $300,000, so, the question would be, where is the remaining cash? he had a little over $200,000 at the time of his death. Carolyn Powell also stated KC purchased his house in cash. so, basically you can rule Carolyn Powell out as trustworthy!

He goes on to continue inaccurate information with this statement...

"We can definitely prove four things: That Christiansen and Geestman disappeared over the week of the
hijacking, that Christiansen was unhappy with both his financial situation and the airline, that he knew how
to use a parachute, and that he went through at least $21,000 in cash during an eight-month period following
the hijacking. That figure does not include a large piece of land behind the Bonney Lake Safeway that
Carolyn Tyner testified Christiansen purchased after the date of the hijacking."

He still claims the house was bought for cash at a value of $16,500. records indicate a different number. the $5,000 has not been proven by any means other than someone stating this as fact. words are hardly facts. no receipts, no statements of deposit's. no record of anything. he didn't check local records to see if a house was even purchased in this time period. If someone like this was on a jury, you would be up the river quick based on hearsay.

Georger brought up a very good point. what did KC's voice sound like? Lyle sounds very soft spoken. I have an older brother, and we both sound similar in speech. could KC really be that tough?

For the record, nobody "testified" to anything. that term is basically taken out on context by people, it makes it sound like a court hearing occurred. he seems to view things differently than others. he goes from worse case, and directly into best case. nothing in between. he fails to notice this even while confronting him. his logic quickly gets skewed into what he thinks is a fact when actually it's just something someone said. he has convinced himself that this is all accurate, and true. therefor it should be the best known information given on what he thinks is solid proof.

when investigating a story like this you need to check all records off the people you talk with, down to the property records to validate a timeline, or validate any purchases at any given time. you should check the local records division, libraries, State archive records, County Court, DMV records, real estate records, criminal background etc. If you fail to do the above. then you have zero rights to call anything a fact. taking shortcuts through this will be noticed, and credibility come into question. sadly, this is what he sent the FBI. they can verify things a lot quicker than the average Joe. I'll guess they found all the inconsistencies in his findings, or what he refers to as facts, and quickly dismissed his PDF. he is quick to blame everyone else for trying to discredit KC. he fails again to notice that just about every person in the Cooper circle have dismissed him. he strives on "the public" which in most cases will do a quick Wiki search, and then agree with what they just read by not knowing the actual facts of the case.

Records of this need to be shown here. this will help people who have questions about this suspect without skewing everything out of form with constant bickering that leads nowhere! it's also my opinion that the person who wrote this document is not being honest with the public by allowing all the inaccuracies to remain.

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« Reply #209 on: June 09, 2014, 03:59:17 PM »
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Well, it seems the PDF on KC still remains inaccurate! This was taken from his new section on Cooper.

6) She testified that Christiansen not only purchased the house in Bonney Lake and the adjoining lot for
cash
, but also a large wooded lot behind what is now the Bonney Lake Safeway. Tyner added that
Christiansen told her he bought this wooded lot after he bought the house, which means it was done
post-hijacking. (We already know that Christiansen later made a great deal of money selling off the
trees on that lot)
7) After Christiansen’s death, she and her husband received the house, but sold it shortly after probate
cleared. They then moved to Nevada, and Carolyn divorced him. She also stated that her ex-husband
Robin Powell was once charged with attempted murder on his own mother, and when he drinks he
sometimes becomes violent. ‘He put me into the hospital more than once,’ she says.

He fails to check records which is his biggest mistake. Robin Powell was never charged with attempted murder. he has other assault charges, but this shows exaggeration. He also still has the photo of the adjoining lot for $10. he fails to note that the large sum of money at the ending of KC's life came from the large lot he purchased prior to 1971. the acres sold for $17,000 each and the lot had over a dozen acres. I believe the records indicate over $300,000, so, the question would be, where is the remaining cash? he had a little over $200,000 at the time of his death. Carolyn Powell also stated KC purchased his house in cash. so, basically you can rule Carolyn Powell out as trustworthy!

He goes on to continue inaccurate information with this statement...

"We can definitely prove four things: That Christiansen and Geestman disappeared over the week of the
hijacking, that Christiansen was unhappy with both his financial situation and the airline, that he knew how
to use a parachute, and that he went through at least $21,000 in cash during an eight-month period following
the hijacking. That figure does not include a large piece of land behind the Bonney Lake Safeway that
Carolyn Tyner testified Christiansen purchased after the date of the hijacking."

He still claims the house was bought for cash at a value of $16,500. records indicate a different number. the $5,000 has not been proven by any means other than someone stating this as fact. words are hardly facts. no receipts, no statements of deposit's. no record of anything. he didn't check local records to see if a house was even purchased in this time period. If someone like this was on a jury, you would be up the river quick based on hearsay.

Georger brought up a very good point. what did KC's voice sound like? Lyle sounds very soft spoken. I have an older brother, and we both sound similar in speech. could KC really be that tough?

For the record, nobody "testified" to anything. that term is basically taken out on context by people, it makes it sound like a court hearing occurred. he seems to view things differently than others. he goes from worse case, and directly into best case. nothing in between. he fails to notice this even while confronting him. his logic quickly gets skewed into what he thinks is a fact when actually it's just something someone said. he has convinced himself that this is all accurate, and true. therefor it should be the best known information given on what he thinks is solid proof.

when investigating a story like this you need to check all records off the people you talk with, down to the property records to validate a timeline, or validate any purchases at any given time. you should check the local records division, libraries, State archive records, County Court, DMV records, real estate records, criminal background etc. If you fail to do the above. then you have zero rights to call anything a fact. taking shortcuts through this will be noticed, and credibility come into question. sadly, this is what he sent the FBI. they can verify things a lot quicker than the average Joe. I'll guess they found all the inconsistencies in his findings, or what he refers to as facts, and quickly dismissed his PDF. he is quick to blame everyone else for trying to discredit KC. he fails again to notice that just about every person in the Cooper circle have dismissed him. he strives on "the public" which in most cases will do a quick Wiki search, and then agree with what they just read by not knowing the actual facts of the case.

Records of this need to be shown here. this will help people who have questions about this suspect without skewing everything out of form with constant bickering that leads nowhere! it's also my opinion that the person who wrote this document is not being honest with the public by allowing all the inaccuracies to remain.

Once the author moved into the mainstream where his allegations/claims could be examined his work turned out to be deeply flawed on very basic points! This stunning since the socalled professionals the author often cites at Decoded (the tv show) were relying on the authenticity of the author's alleged facts! The author fed Decoded false facts, then turns around and cite's the pro's at Decoded as further proof - of what? It's circular mumbo-jumbo! The author deceived the pros at Decoded then turns around and cites the pros he deceived as proof! The only thing it proves is that the author deals in DECEPTION!

Some people are generous and say the author just didn't understand, or mistakenly lacked crucial facts. Isn;t it the job of an author/researcher to get the correct facts, in the first place? Especially if he is representing his work to the world and the FBI as "the gospel" ? Then he goes forward ignoring everyone and everything that has been proved wrong, and he continues the farce for three more years!! That is something Myers & Dvorak didn't even do! Only one other candidate salesman falls into that category - the person making claims for Duane Weber.
 
Now research be damned, it's a movie script, and to hell with the truth of anything! It was a movie script Lyle wanted in the first place!

What goes around, comes around.


 
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