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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1845 on: May 29, 2017, 01:10:00 AM »
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She asked him why he had chose Northwest to hijack, he replied he didn't have a "grudge" against the airline adding that the Northwest airplane just happened to be in the right place at the right time...

This quickly rules out anyone from Northwest airlines  8)

I think the guy had everything planned out, right down to the final detail.  I think he knew well in advance that NWA was his target.  The plane just happen to be in the right place at the right time?  I don't believe that.
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« Reply #1846 on: May 29, 2017, 01:10:47 AM »
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She asked him why he had chose Northwest to hijack, he replied he didn't have a "grudge" against the airline adding that the Northwest airplane just happened to be in the right place at the right time...

This quickly rules out anyone from Northwest airlines  8)

That's it ? He said he Didn't have a grudge against airline. I guess I don't follow why anyone could interpret that to mean that Cooper did this because he had a grudge ! There must be more than that !
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1847 on: May 29, 2017, 01:23:28 AM »
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She asked him why he had chose Northwest to hijack, he replied he didn't have a "grudge" against the airline adding that the Northwest airplane just happened to be in the right place at the right time...

This quickly rules out anyone from Northwest airlines  8)

That's it ? He said he Didn't have a grudge against airline. I guess I don't follow why anyone could interpret that to mean that Cooper did this because he had a grudge ! There must be more than that !

Grudge, or no grudge, he obviously did it for some reason. what that reason was is the mystery.
 

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« Reply #1848 on: May 29, 2017, 01:34:35 AM »
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Are we forgetting Cooper was told how to operate the stairs, had trouble with the stairs, and documents show the possibility of directions given to him about the stairs?

When did Cooper become a Boeing engineer?

I was once an airbag mechanical engineer for Allied Signal....on the team that pioneered them in the Italian market...yet  I still have trouble opening the damn trunk of my wife's Jaguar, not knowing where the release or button was...
 An engineer cannot be expected to know offhand all operability of every working part of the machine at first glance, though it can be assumed one fundamentally knows the all functionality of every working part....
This would be no different to a Boeing engineer with his career in the braking or flap system.  He will likely fundamentally know the working of the aft stairs if told it's power source, but first time seeing might not know how to operate it..

I know exactly what you're talking about, see it every day. And the reverse is also true. I saw the whole work force change in the 60s from military trained people to 'credentialed' people who couldnt figure out what switch to throw! I saw it impact every walk of life. Finding credentialed people with actual work experience became a huge problem into the 70s. It actually shut down programs at places like NASA, Bendix, and JPL... so the disconnect is real. Was Cooper one of those? He lived right through the transition period.

Maybe Cooper's grudge was against 'managers' ?

Quite possibly, sure... the old school guys dont want to be marginalized, heck, especially those who took it on the chin in world war 2 with real risk and combat..these were real men.... And if Cooper was say, rendered obsolete by what he probably viewed as girly men who stayed behind and not sent to Nam...well, imagine the emotion there..... that'd be enough for me..... Tie that in with a midlife crisis and look out...😊

And I hope I'm not coming across like a moron here...for I'm used to a simple electronic switch release of the tailgate, with gravity pressurized pistons (that leak over time then slam my forhead on them) raising the gate... my mind is on something else, and Am not thinking of an electronic servo motor slowly opening it on command...nor where the illogical place in the cabin the Indian designer at Tata Motors (who now own Jaguar) decided to put the release button.

Relax!  You have plenty of company.  There is a car setting in my garage at this very moment with 15 miles showing on the odometer.  It has a button on the "entertainment display" that says "clock" and I can push that and see how to set the clock and have done so.

The question is how do you set the "date", and it has to be associated with the "clock" display in some respect.  But there is nothing on the dash, on the clock screen, or even in the handbook (!), about setting the date.  I'll probably have to stop by the dealer and hope that they can show me how to plug in the correct date. :(
If it is a digital clock, and only one button then it may be holding it down.  I recall I think my mustang having to hold down a clock button then using the radio memory buttons in unison. 

I do think Cooper might deserve a pass with not knowing safety release, and at same time be given far more credit for pulling it off in it's entirety.... I think he planned it and used deception, much more than given credit.  For instance... Since he pulled off what I consider the greatest heist ever,  having said that I think he use more wits... that he had a driver follow a pre planned route... He told them to fly south to mecx city but I'd bet he knew he was departing early, and knew the corridor would be the Reno one and/or planned to divert after takeoff... this  would delay those waiting for him on ground... And having planned it all he'd have known the topography toward Reno and know to wait until the trees clear and a safe spot...He'd know they'd radio ahead after he jumped so to throw them off he could have bounced on the stairs to simulate a jump...and maybe the real jump later, timing the oscillation and diving out, sending everyone looking in wrong place..he had to know they'd be waiting for him so this deception was critical, maybe even THE most important part of the caper, was the getaway.  Maybe even that squidding maneuver.  But to do all this only to be waiting on way down....he got away with it so I'd lean toward a driver and deception in the jump.

The date problem has been solved.  While there is a button for setting the clock on the dash, there is nothing for setting the date.  However, if you turn on the radio and open the menu, you will find a means to set both the clock and date from within that menu.

So the clock can be set by a button on the dash or from the radio menu, but the date can be set only from within the radio menu.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1849 on: May 29, 2017, 01:38:51 AM »
Shutter,
I'm a little confused as the quote I responded to did not include Cooper responding to Tina that " I just have a grudge ". I know it was included in a movie but did Cooper actually add that ? I just can't buy into the fact that anyone would risk his life and face spending the rest of his life in jail because of a grudge. Is this statement by Cooper part of actual transcript given by Tina ? I'd like to see that. I think Cooper risked everything for the equivalent of $ 1,200,000.
 

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« Reply #1850 on: May 29, 2017, 02:00:54 AM »
Do you have any of the files from either our site, or the one's Gray released, that's where Tina makes the statement..Gray's document is on page 26...
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1851 on: May 29, 2017, 02:11:04 AM »
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I just can't buy into the fact that anyone would risk his life and face spending the rest of his life in jail because of a grudge.

I don't know if we will ever find out. criminals do stupid things for stupid reasons. if it was political, I think he would of made that perfectly clear, stating he did this because of layoff's don't fit either. it puts the reason around the money, but why?

Human nature is odd, people run from the police over some small traffic violation that escalates into multiple felonies, that doesn't make sense either, but it happens far to often..
 

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« Reply #1852 on: May 29, 2017, 04:16:16 AM »
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She asked him why he had chose Northwest to hijack, he replied he didn't have a "grudge" against the airline adding that the Northwest airplane just happened to be in the right place at the right time...

This quickly rules out anyone from Northwest airlines  8)

That's it ? He said he Didn't have a grudge against airline. I guess I don't follow why anyone could interpret that to mean that Cooper did this because he had a grudge ! There must be more than that !

yes its a little thin!  :)) :))  obviously there was more to it than that.  ;)
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« Reply #1853 on: May 29, 2017, 09:51:56 AM »
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James Klansnic doesn't fit the DBC evidence..

DBC needed to be shown how to operate the main airstair control by Tina, he failed to get the main to work probably because you need to press the button on top of the lever. DBC then used the emergency release.

That doesn't sound like a Boeing engineer and expert.

Broader point, all suspects will be circumstantial unless they can be put on the plane and that can only be done by the FBI,,, so probably never.


The FBI is the only outfit that can possibly put Cooper on the plane?  How about NWA?  How about individuals -- where things finally come together because of some recollection?  Remote, but possible.

Some recollection wouldn't be proof... it would help narrow the pool of suspects. Only forensics can put a suspect on the plane and get a true solve.

There are probably thousands of "circumstantial" suspects still out there, some just stronger than others.

To solve, you need the FBI and their mandate is a prosecution. If DBC is dead no prosecution and no solve. So, as time passes we are stuck in a "circumstantial" public solve unless one can convince the FBI to check forensics on a suspect with overwhelming circumstantial evidence. NOT easy.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1854 on: May 29, 2017, 11:12:26 AM »
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James Klansnic doesn't fit the DBC evidence..

DBC needed to be shown how to operate the main airstair control by Tina, he failed to get the main to work probably because you need to press the button on top of the lever. DBC then used the emergency release.

That doesn't sound like a Boeing engineer and expert.

Broader point, all suspects will be circumstantial unless they can be put on the plane and that can only be done by the FBI,,, so probably never.


The FBI is the only outfit that can possibly put Cooper on the plane?  How about NWA?  How about individuals -- where things finally come together because of some recollection?  Remote, but possible.

NWA stopped collecting fingerprints and DNA after they bought Braniff. 😁. 
Kidding aside, I don't see another way he can be effectively "put" on plane sans DNA or fingerprint...
Well maybe a photo of him in the terminal, but that probably wouldn't be enough. 
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« Reply #1855 on: May 29, 2017, 11:46:56 AM »
circumstantial, with suspects, more like a billion if you looked hard enough..you can't narrow a pool with  recollection, or hearsay...physical evidence can narrow a suspect, someone stating something could help and would depend on what they know. since this happened more than 4 decades ago, people who state things could possibly be wrong on there "recollection" or possibly in the game for fame, or attention, so recollection shouldn't be part of narrowing a suspect.

someone coming forward with a chute, notes, or the money could put that person on the plane. not sally saying he was missing that weekend, and looks like the sketch. so we need to narrow the pool with her recollection?
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« Reply #1856 on: May 29, 2017, 12:31:49 PM »
A whole lot of information can be found in our vault. we have two sets of 302's, one was sent to me by persons unknown that are marked from Las Vegas, and Gray's files are from Seattle, but are similar..information about different chutes found, the SR71 flights, radio transcripts etc. can all be found in one place...

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« Reply #1857 on: May 29, 2017, 12:59:51 PM »
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circumstantial, with suspects, more like a billion if you looked hard enough..you can't narrow a pool with  recollection, or hearsay...physical evidence can narrow a suspect, someone stating something could help and would depend on what they know. since this happened more than 4 decades ago, people who state things could possibly be wrong on there "recollection" or possibly in the game for fame, or attention, so recollection shouldn't be part of narrowing a suspect.

someone coming forward with a chute, notes, or the money could put that person on the plane. not sally saying he was missing that weekend, and looks like the sketch. so we need to narrow the pool with her recollection?

Not a billion, maybe thousands. You can narrow the pool based on what we know.

How many males the right age, description and "some" parachute experience, "some" aviation knowledge... familiar with the PNW. Take that pool and eliminate, if possible...  and match to evidence like the tie, etc.. It gives you a ranking weak circumstantial to strong.

The probability of a chute, notes, money or a body turning up is extremely slim to none.. the only reasonable chance for a solve is via the FBI forensics and if they aren't interested the DBC case likely never gets a true solve.

 

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« Reply #1858 on: May 29, 2017, 01:16:15 PM »
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circumstantial, with suspects, more like a billion if you looked hard enough..you can't narrow a pool with  recollection, or hearsay...physical evidence can narrow a suspect, someone stating something could help and would depend on what they know. since this happened more than 4 decades ago, people who state things could possibly be wrong on there "recollection" or possibly in the game for fame, or attention, so recollection shouldn't be part of narrowing a suspect.

someone coming forward with a chute, notes, or the money could put that person on the plane. not sally saying he was missing that weekend, and looks like the sketch. so we need to narrow the pool with her recollection?

 familiar with the PNW.

This shouldn't exclude Cooper not being from area or unfamiliar with PNW.....  for if planned properly, one could study maps including normal flight vectorways, and learn the area...and or do a test run  flight.   and the tourist spot Reno nearby
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« Reply #1859 on: May 29, 2017, 01:29:37 PM »
My example may appear to be extreme, but we have so many possibilities, Cooper has an age gap (according to suspect pushers) of anywhere from late 20's up into the 60's by looking at the Harrison notes. this opens the door to more than just thousands. multiple subjects on the DNA won't help. it's only partial...

Cooper was alive at one point, or possibly still alive. there is a trail. common sense tells you this. someone knows something about him. he didn't just appear for several hours in time. I believe it's possible some physical evidence could surface whether it's still where he landed, or hidden in someone's closet.

IMO, it's trying to make sense of the evidence provided vs trying to link someone to it. if the evidence is inaccurate, so is the suspect. a complete storyline needs to be put in place prior to convicting someone based on recollection, or circumstantial evidence.