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dice · « **Reply #1815 on:** May 26, 2017, 04:18:43 PM »

Just got finished listenting to Derek's podcast, on James Klansnic.... if there is a better suspect that fit Cooper's profile, then I'd like to know who...
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Kermit · « **Reply #1816 on:** May 26, 2017, 05:30:00 PM »

Lots of opinions on Cooper but what exactly about Cooper are we sure of ? Profiles are perhaps educated guesses but Cooper remains a mystery man to most people.

georger · « **Reply #1817 on:** May 26, 2017, 06:10:54 PM »

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Just got finished listenting to Derek's podcast, on James Klansnic.... if there is a better suspect that fit Cooper's profile, then I'd like to know who...
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How any times has that been said before? 1056 ! Lets just round this off to 56! = 71x10(71) !

Lordy I am compelled! I am compelled that I am compelled by being compelled.

georger · « **Reply #1818 on:** May 26, 2017, 06:16:17 PM »

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Lots of opinions on Cooper but what exactly about Cooper are we sure of ? Profiles are perhaps educated guesses but Cooper remains a mystery man to most people.

If you look at his hijacking as an occupation (which it was!) then a general profile is available. The problem is people dont believe it. People dont believe in climate changing either! Or the heart attack until it strikes!

Cooper took advantage of people's denial on 11-24-71. Sailshaw identifies it as: the system to beat the system. People generally believe in physics but they dont generally believe in psychology and statistics. Or, it applies to everyone else but not me!

But, what Cooper did and how he did it minute by minute is very specific. [Thats why the FBI allowed a bank robbery guy to look at the case - his name was Ckret. Modus operendi analysis. ]

MeyerLouie · « **Reply #1819 on:** May 27, 2017, 02:24:32 AM »

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Derek has been busy touting James E. Klansnic as DB Cooper, and he is really digging into this guy. His youthful exuberance is sometimes problematic, as well. I've had to admonish him over at the Mountain News. But I've spoken with Derek on the phone because he is so dogged, and Klansnic does have some compelling aspect to his candidacy:

1. One, he knew the 727 fairly well, and held patents for the hydraulics, according to Derek. Also worked on the aft stairs. I keep meaning to ask Sailshaw if he knew Klansnic, but I know how Sail can get pretty cranky whenever the conversation drifts away from Petey.

2. Klansnic was stationed at Fort Lewis. Flew a B-17 in WWII. Jumped out at 26,000 feet through his bomb-bay door. Evaded the Wehrmacht for a night.

3. Had a grudge: got laid off from the SST project.

4. When he died a few years back, his family asked for donations in lieu of flowers, and requested that the moolah to be donated to the Carmelites in Eugene. Sound familiar?

Derek has another aspect to his personality that I find compelling. He fell into his investigation while reading an old issue of "Hydraulics Today" or some such tech mag. He read about Klansnic, became fascinated, and then when he felt he had found DBC he started to weep. That's my kind of guy!

Like with John Rollins and his investigation. Something at the gut level is going on. Perhaps something deeper. Something psychic, something spiritual.

Now, please know that if I had to witness Jo Weber crying over Duane, I'd just figure that she needed adjust her meds or something.

Speaking of the psychic, most of you poo-poo-ed the inclusion of my remote viewing exercises in my DBC book, but I got a very heartfelt email from a reader who was very grateful that I had written it. It confirmed and affirmed for him the value of that kind of communicative process, which has been an important part of his life and in his family's interactions. Apparently he received a very important message from a loved one in the Ukraine.

Bottom Line: If it gets ya through the night, it's alright.

Regarding the donation request, this obituary of him says to send donations to Camp Brotherhood in Washington. No such mention of the Carmelites of Eugene. Any idea where Derek found otherwise?

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And just when you think Bruce Smith has started to restore some credibility......

Bruce A. Smith · « **Reply #1820 on:** May 27, 2017, 04:41:22 AM »

Just another day in the office going where no man has gone before...

RaoulDuke24 · « **Reply #1821 on:** May 28, 2017, 05:29:37 PM »

Regarding James Klansnic as a suspect....

I've already identified one inconsistency with the donation request to the Carmelites of Eugene. If that were indeed true, that would certainly be significant. But as I mentioned in an earlier post, his obituary actually requested donations be made to Camp Brotherhood. There was no mention of the Carmelites at all in his obituary.

The second inconsistency is that it is claimed he was laid off from the SST project. However, his obituary says that he worked for Boeing for 37 years. We know that he was a POW that was captured in 1944 and released in 1945. The soonest he could have begun working for Boeing was 1945. And 37 years later puts us at 1982, or 11 years after the SST layoffs. The only way he could've been laid off from the SST and still logged 37 years with the company was to be laid off and then re-hired again later.

Those two inconsistencies make me highly skeptical of Klansnic as Cooper. Not to mention that he (Derek Godsey) also believes in a money plant.

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Shutter · « **Reply #1822 on:** May 28, 2017, 06:03:45 PM »

This is why I don't like to get hung up on suspects. they all have the same similarities, but zero proof. it hasn't even been verified Cooper worked for Boeing, let alone the SST program. it's all speculation. it's possible, but they all build around this. then they take the sketch as a photo vs a sketch..these are the problems the FBI must of went through for decades. we hear the witnesses to the actual crime speak decades later, and show obvious signs of memory loss, but not people with suspects, they speak like it was yesterday.

When Derek finds some proof, I'll take a look. until then, I'll pass...

Shutter · « **Reply #1823 on:** May 28, 2017, 06:06:52 PM »

Planting of the money is a must for a suspect to survive. he's dead in the water unless he can prove how the money got there in the first place..

dice · « **Reply #1824 on:** May 28, 2017, 07:15:14 PM »

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Regarding James Klansnic as a suspect....

I've already identified one inconsistency with the donation request to the Carmelites of Eugene. If that were indeed true, that would certainly be significant. But as I mentioned in an earlier post, his obituary actually requested donations be made to Camp Brotherhood. There was no mention of the Carmelites at all in his obituary.

The second inconsistency is that it is claimed he was laid off from the SST project. However, his obituary says that he worked for Boeing for 37 years. We know that he was a POW that was captured in 1944 and released in 1945. The soonest he could have begun working for Boeing was 1945. And 37 years later puts us at 1982, or 11 years after the SST layoffs. The only way he could've been laid off from the SST and still logged 37 years with the company was to be laid off and then re-hired again later.

Those two inconsistencies make me highly skeptical of Klansnic as Cooper. Not to mention that he (Derek Godsey) also believes in a money plant.

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Not quite..... The Carmelite thing was in Klansics brother Richards (Dick) obituary.

FLYJACK · « **Reply #1825 on:** May 28, 2017, 08:12:21 PM »

James Klansnic doesn't fit the DBC evidence..

DBC needed to be shown how to operate the main airstair control by Tina, he failed to get the main to work probably because you need to press the button on top of the lever. DBC then used the emergency release.

That doesn't sound like a Boeing engineer and expert.

Broader point, all suspects will be circumstantial unless they can be put on the plane and that can only be done by the FBI,,, so probably never.

dice · « **Reply #1826 on:** May 28, 2017, 09:50:58 PM »

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James Klansnic doesn't fit the DBC evidence..

DBC needed to be shown how to operate the main airstair control by Tina, he failed to get the main to work probably because you need to press the button on top of the lever. DBC then used the emergency release.

That doesn't sound like a Boeing engineer and expert.

Broader point, all suspects will be circumstantial unless they can be put on the plane and that can only be done by the FBI,,, so probably never.

unless I'm mistaken,wasn't Klansnic an engineer on the braking system and flaps? if so then it is not expected he didn't know how to operate the stairs while in flight.

Shutter · « **Reply #1827 on:** May 28, 2017, 09:57:19 PM »

Are we forgetting Cooper was told how to operate the stairs, had trouble with the stairs, and documents show the possibility of directions given to him about the stairs?

When did Cooper become a Boeing engineer?

dice · « **Reply #1828 on:** May 28, 2017, 10:57:24 PM »

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Are we forgetting Cooper was told how to operate the stairs, had trouble with the stairs, and documents show the possibility of directions given to him about the stairs?

When did Cooper become a Boeing engineer?

I was once an airbag mechanical engineer for Allied Signal....on the team that pioneered them in the Italian market...yet I still have trouble opening the damn trunk of my wife's Jaguar, not knowing where the release or button was...
An engineer cannot be expected to know offhand all operability of every working part of the machine at first glance, though it can be assumed one fundamentally knows the all functionality of every working part....
This would be no different to a Boeing engineer with his career in the braking or flap system. He will likely fundamentally know the working of the aft stairs if told it's power source, but first time seeing might not know how to operate it..

Shutter · « **Reply #1829 on:** May 28, 2017, 10:59:10 PM »

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Are we forgetting Cooper was told how to operate the stairs, had trouble with the stairs, and documents show the possibility of directions given to him about the stairs?

When did Cooper become a Boeing engineer?

I was once an airbag mechanical engineer for Allied Signal....on the team that pioneered them in the Italian market...yet I still have trouble opening the damn trunk of my wife's Jaguar, not knowing where the release or button was...

Car airbags?

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