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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1680 on: February 01, 2017, 11:29:09 PM »
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That is my take, also, based upon what Bill said to me in my interview with him.

For those who would like to review my conversation with Bill, including why he no longer wishes to speak with me, I have the full story posted here at the Forum, at the Mountain News, and in my book there is a full chapter dedicated to Bill's commentary.

As I have said numerous times throughout this forum, I have become concerned about a difference between the narratives put forth by the crew and many passengers. As part of that dynamic, I have grown increasingly skeptical of Bill Mitchell.

The salient issue is when the crew asked the passengers to move forward. Bill indicated to me that he moved early in the flight. However, all the other passengers that I've spoken with say they moved upon approach to Sea-Tac for landing. Further, they describe a rowdy passenger needing to be subdued during the flight,  and say they moved around the cabin as they circled Seattle and used the rear lavatory, and even joked with DBC and Tina.

Further, Bill won't talk with me, presumably because I wrote that Duane Weber's ears are something that he would remember if Duane was DBC, and that Jo lambasted him on the phone afterwards. Yet, his "ear" perspective is well-known. Further, Bill does agree to talk with other journalists, such as Tom Colbert, and worked extensively with LMNO and the HC people. I don't get that. Bill has never explained his selective silence to me, nor has he responded to my offer to send him a copy of my book.

As a result, I think Bill views me and my probing questions to be too problematic for him. Perhaps he has to defend himself and his relationship with me too often to the FBI and others. Bill feels defensive to me. I feel he considers me to be toxic somehow.

Maybe outsiders really are sometimes disruptive to a witness? I dont think any witness would appreciate his confidence being violated by some crazed hysterical woman in Florida ... who insists a chimpanzee was Cooper and then tries to get an FBI agent fired over it!  Ole Twistypath! :))
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1681 on: February 02, 2017, 12:01:04 AM »
I had hoped Bill would be able to be immune to Jo's antics.

Alas.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1682 on: February 16, 2017, 12:05:43 AM »
This is circling back to an old topic, but I did just finish Max Gunther's book and I wanted to add a thought regarding the color of the parachute.

As we talked about earlier, Max reports that Carla helped dispose of the parachute.  The parachute was red and yellow.  That information would have been told to Gunther directly by Carla as a first hand account -- not something she heard from leClair nor would it have been something he discovered by research.

However, there is more.  That was not just a small part of the story.  That, Gunther believes, is his piece of never-revealed-by-the-FBI information that proves Carla's story.  Later on in the book, Gunther describes how a piece of a parachute is discovered and the sheriff contacts the FBI and the FBI looks at it and says "wrong color".  When the sheriff asks what color was the parachute, the agent tells him that information is kept secret to help identify a true DB Cooper.

If that parachute really had been red and yellow, I think Gunther would have been correct.
 

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« Reply #1683 on: February 16, 2017, 06:47:06 AM »
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If that parachute really had been red and yellow, I think Gunther would have been correct.

That was my point a while ago. If the FBI investigated this book they should have known Clara was telling the truth if these so called facts from the book were true and pressured Gunther to reveal his sources so they could round up Cooper, or the location of his body but that didn't happen, so here we are decades later trying to credit this book?
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« Reply #1684 on: February 16, 2017, 11:22:46 AM »
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If that parachute really had been red and yellow, I think Gunther would have been correct.

That was my point a while ago. If the FBI investigated this book they should have known Clara was telling the truth if these so called facts from the book were true and pressured Gunther to reveal his sources so they could round up Cooper, or the location of his body but that didn't happen, so here we are decades later trying to credit this book?

I originally thought Gunther was really writing a fictional "what could have happened book" and there never was a Carla.  His comments on the parachutes changed my mind into thinking Max Gunther really believed what he was writing.

As we've seen with so many others, confirmation bias is really  a difficult think to shake off.
 

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« Reply #1685 on: February 16, 2017, 12:37:08 PM »
Mark Bennet wrote: "If that parachute really had been red and yellow, I think Gunther would have been correct."

And no way was an FAA TSO compliant surplus emergency canopy, whether 26 ft Navy Conical or 28 ft C-9, colored red and yellow.

Skydivers used to dye surplus canopies to make them look more "commercial". Surplus canopies were widely referred to in skydiving circles as "Cheapos" and had a stigma.  It was OK to dye mains, which were not FAA regulated, verboten for reserves or emergency canopies which had be be FAA TSO compliant. But even the dyed main canopies never looked red or even close to red. You cant make a primary color by dying other colors.

Riggers in my area were super picky about surplus emergency and reserve canopies. Any non FAA TSO compliant mod resulted in them refusing to pack it. Master Rigger Perry Stevens (who packed McCoy's chutes) refused to pack my newly aquired 26 ft Navy Conical reserve because it had a late issue Navy mod that was not listed in the FAA TSO. I had to pay him to remove the Navy mod (yellow nylon flutter tabs sewn to the skirt anchored at either side of the line attach points) before he would pack it. No way would he or any other riggers in my area ever pack a dyed surplus reserve or emergency canopy.

Might the red and yellow info, if supplied by the FBI, have been deliberate misinformation?

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« Reply #1686 on: February 16, 2017, 01:08:49 PM »
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Mark Bennet wrote: "If that parachute really had been red and yellow, I think Gunther would have been correct."

And no way was an FAA TSO compliant surplus emergency canopy, whether 26 ft Navy Conical or 28 ft C-9, colored red and yellow.

Skydivers used to dye surplus canopies to make them look more "commercial". Surplus canopes were widely referred to in skydiving circles as "Cheapos" and had a stigma.  It was OK to dye mains, which were not FAA regulated, verboten for reserves or emergency canopies which had be be FAA TSO compliant. But even the dyed main canopies never looked red or even close to red. You cant make a primary color by dying other colors.

Riggers in my area were super picky about surplus emergency and reserve canopies. Any non FAA TSO compliant mod resulted in them refusing to pack it. Master Rigger Perry Stevens (who packed McCoy's chutes) refused to pack my newly aquired 26 ft Navy Conical reserve because it had a late issue Navy mod that was not listed in the FAA TSO. I had to pay him to remove the Navy mod (yellow nylon flutter tabs sewn to the skirt anchored at either side of the line attach points) before he would pack it. No way would he or any other riggers in my area ever pack a dyed surplus reserve or emergency canopy.

Might the red and yellow info, if supplied by the FBI, have been deliberate misinformation?

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The way Gunther writes the narrative, he states that Clara told him SHE helped destroy the chute. She told Gunther the colors of the chute she helped LeClair destroy. In effect, the color of the chute is Gunther's proof that she is telling him the truth and LeClair is Cooper.
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« Reply #1687 on: February 16, 2017, 04:04:35 PM »
Greetings, I'm new here and don't see a thread for introductions.  I've been following the forum since the History Channel show last year.  I have no experience in aviation, parachutes, hijacking or probably anything else that might help solve the case but I do enjoy following along and learning, and I do live near that Peterson guy if you want me to go rough him up :).  I do have a pilot friend who, when I mentioned Cooper, said he flew with a guy who was long suspected of being Cooper.  He dug out this photo, the guy is in the blue shirt (unfortunately facing away).  Care to guess who it is or should I tell you?  Oops. I see if you do a google search it tells you who it is...

Photo attached but doesn't show in preview, hopefully comes through.   

Oh, and also a dumb question:  is it possible they found red or yellow parachutes to give to Cooper to spot or ID him?
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« Reply #1688 on: February 16, 2017, 04:43:04 PM »
Welcome to the forum!

Cool photo. Aren't those war surplus TBM fire tanker or bug sprayer planes in the background? Looks like a Canadian operation. Any Dan Cooper comic books laying around in the pilot's lounge?

No need to rough up Peterson. He is a peaceful guy who served his country in WW2 as a Marine. Even though he is 90 years old he is remarkably fit. I know a fight with him wouldn't be entirely one sided.  ;)

Tell us more about your candidate.

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1689 on: February 16, 2017, 04:50:29 PM »
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Oh, and also a dumb question:  is it possible they found red or yellow parachutes to give to Cooper to spot or ID him?


The chutes came from Norman Hayden, he has supplied information that the canopies were white. if you read the FBI files you will see they say the same thing...the book states a different color chute. the FBI has checked into this story and nothing happened. if the chute was any other color other than what has been documented, the FBI would of possibly had there man, but again, nothing happened...
 

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« Reply #1690 on: February 16, 2017, 05:52:19 PM »
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Greetings, I'm new here and don't see a thread for introductions.  I've been following the forum since the History Channel show last year.  I have no experience in aviation, parachutes, hijacking or probably anything else that might help solve the case but I do enjoy following along and learning, and I do live near that Peterson guy if you want me to go rough him up :).  I do have a pilot friend who, when I mentioned Cooper, said he flew with a guy who was long suspected of being Cooper.  He dug out this photo, the guy is in the blue shirt (unfortunately facing away).  Care to guess who it is or should I tell you?  Oops. I see if you do a google search it tells you who it is...

Photo attached but doesn't show in preview, hopefully comes through.   

Oh, and also a dumb question:  is it possible they found red or yellow parachutes to give to Cooper to spot or ID him?

just tell us who it is!  ???
 

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« Reply #1691 on: February 16, 2017, 05:58:38 PM »
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Greetings, I'm new here and don't see a thread for introductions.  I've been following the forum since the History Channel show last year.  I have no experience in aviation, parachutes, hijacking or probably anything else that might help solve the case but I do enjoy following along and learning, and I do live near that Peterson guy if you want me to go rough him up :).  I do have a pilot friend who, when I mentioned Cooper, said he flew with a guy who was long suspected of being Cooper.  He dug out this photo, the guy is in the blue shirt (unfortunately facing away).  Care to guess who it is or should I tell you?  Oops. I see if you do a google search it tells you who it is...

Photo attached but doesn't show in preview, hopefully comes through.   

Oh, and also a dumb question:  is it possible they found red or yellow parachutes to give to Cooper to spot or ID him?

just tell us who it is!  ???

I looked up the photo on Google.
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Page down until you find the same photo.
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« Reply #1692 on: February 16, 2017, 06:09:18 PM »
Ahhhh, TBFs not TBMs. I was close WW2 Navy torpedo bombers.

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« Reply #1693 on: February 16, 2017, 06:43:58 PM »
Thanks 377.  I don't know anything else about the photo.  My pilot friend was a fire bomber on the west coast years ago when he knew Gossett, maybe that explains the planes.  They all figured he was Cooper but nothing evidentiary ever surfaced as far as he knows.  When I looked him up his name comes up as William but they always called him Mort.
 

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« Reply #1694 on: February 16, 2017, 11:18:43 PM »
Here is a frontal shot of Gossett.. .top right in the photo..
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