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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1635 on: January 30, 2017, 05:25:00 PM »
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I didn't read your book yet but will...
The thing about being the salesman, would he really have these exotic chemicals on the tie?  I don't know exactly what an industrial chemical salesman does but I figure it'd be more of a white collar job like a car salesman, the latter won't have oil or antifreeze on his tie, but at a distance from the cars he is selling.  Plus, IIRC the tie analysis showed some intertwined particles that imply manufacturing exposure, and not so much pure standalone chemicals.  Thus, I'd lean toward him getting the tie in Portland, along with the suit...
But it's moot, until I read your info compiled. 
I live on Long Island and I almost want to place an ad in the Village Voice saying akin to "Cooper's Clara, call me at XXX-XXXX" and see if she wants to sell her story before she passes, which probably is soon, if she is still alive.  Maybe she would see it and contact me.  She never had kids so any deathbed confession probably won't be coming.

I hope you enjoy the book, but I'll clarify my point: LeClair, if what is written about him is true, worked in industrial chemicals for about two decades. During the two decades, it is said he went from sales to a manager. His sales job would have taken him to a variety of places across the country, including job sites and factories. As a manager, he likely supervised factory floor workers at some point. Over time, he likely did a number of jobs. Clara, through Gunther, make it a point to talk about how mechanically minded LeClair was; he liked working with his hands and would have gravitated to those jobs. Also, LeClair worked for successively smaller companies in the years before he left his family, meaning he likely would have had a more general role in the smaller companies than the specialized role he had in the larger company.

Regardless, the tie is the primary link between Gunther's story and the real Cooper. The anti-corrosive metallic particles are exactly what a guy like LeClair would have been exposed to in indsutrial chemicals. Without this connection, there is no physical evidence connecting Gunther's story and the hijacking. What are the odds LeClair would pick up a tie that belonged to a manager working in the same industry he did? Who also would have been exposed to unalloyed titanium? Nearly impossible.

So, where is a picture, or anything that can verify the story from the book?

Obivously there is no picture, or anything verifiable... but that he worked in industrial chemicals, for the when the tie was bought and worn, is very intriguing.  LeClair's story fits in every aspect, even with the tena find.  If I were him, and lived in that hotel in Portland as the maintenance guy, I'd have made my way back there that night, and to do so, I wouldn't walk down highways or roads, for fear of being caught.... logical guide would be the river that ran south... and I'd also stash the money, in case there were police waiting in Portland, for retrieval later...... and I'd stash it near the river path.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1636 on: January 30, 2017, 05:31:27 PM »
Given the lack of any real proof, and the time frame of publication, I think I will pass on reading the book, and wait for the movie  ;D

I don't see any actual proof of venturing into this. I'll let you guys chase this lead if you don't mind.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1637 on: January 30, 2017, 05:33:26 PM »
I also find it odd that you attack other suspects while yours has not even been verified? no phot, name etc... ???
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1638 on: January 30, 2017, 05:34:16 PM »
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Given the lack of any real proof, and the time frame of publication, I think I will pass on reading the book, and wait for the movie  ;D

I don't see any actual proof of venturing into this. I'll let you guys chase this lead if you don't mind.

And there it is... never read it... ok.   Gunther was a very well-educated man, and finance writer, who had no reason to make it all up. 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1639 on: January 30, 2017, 05:52:25 PM »
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Given the lack of any real proof, and the time frame of publication, I think I will pass on reading the book, and wait for the movie  ;D

I don't see any actual proof of venturing into this. I'll let you guys chase this lead if you don't mind.

And there it is... never read it... ok.   Gunther was a very well-educated man, and finance writer, who had no reason to make it all up.

I'm not saying "he made it all up"
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1640 on: January 30, 2017, 05:53:21 PM »
I look for PROOF. nothing has been verified in the book for 30 years, so excuse me for being skeptical...
 

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« Reply #1641 on: January 30, 2017, 07:12:28 PM »
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I look for PROOF. nothing has been verified in the book for 30 years, so excuse me for being skeptical...

The threshold should not be to prove someone was Cooper before investigating whether they might be Cooper.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1642 on: January 30, 2017, 07:33:17 PM »
That doesn't seem to be the case with diclemeg..."It Was LeClair Folks" "He walked out alive, with no doubt..."
"Dan LeClair, is Cooper, folks."

Again, I have no problem with researching suspects, but you really need to know who he is, or if he is even real?
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1643 on: January 30, 2017, 07:43:22 PM »
The reason I take LeClair seriously is because he worked as a manager in industrial chemicals, meaning there was physical evidence unknown to Gunther at the time that connected LeClair to the anti-corrosive family of particles on the tie. Once that was established, other parts of the story fit the evidence with very few contradictions. Unfortunately, Gunther protected his source and no one took him very seriously so the trail is cold. Gunther pursued "Clara" the rest of his life, meaning he didn't make it up. He felt he had the real story. Thanks to digitized records, we could find out LeClair's real name... or we'll find out Gunther changed so many facts that his book won't be useful. It's a string to pull, and I've been trying to pull it.

We all have our little projects, whether it's the flight path, the jump, the money or the tie. I want to pursue them all.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1644 on: January 30, 2017, 07:55:11 PM »
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Gunther pursued "Clara" the rest of his life, meaning he didn't make it up

Again, I never said Gunther made this up. I do find it strange that all of this went no further than a book 30 years ago. the greatest unsolved mystery locked in a book? I realize protecting sources but this doesn't seem to have been the best move if it was actually true.

people believe "Into the Blast, The true Story Of DB Cooper" we all know how that turned out...
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1645 on: January 30, 2017, 08:46:41 PM »
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Gunther pursued "Clara" the rest of his life, meaning he didn't make it up

Again, I never said Gunther made this up. I do find it strange that all of this went no further than a book 30 years ago. the greatest unsolved mystery locked in a book? I realize protecting sources but this doesn't seem to have been the best move if it was actually true.

people believe "Into the Blast, The true Story Of DB Cooper" we all know how that turned out...
Please make the time, and read it. It is very intriguing. It's pointless to discuss if haven't read it. 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1646 on: January 30, 2017, 08:50:03 PM »
Quote from a review of the book...near the top.


This story reads as just what it is, a story. I found it to be highly implausible. The author bills this as the incredible true story when there is no evidence to justify any of it. He writes the book mostly through contact with a "Clara" who supposedly found the hijacker in her garden shed with a broken foot in the area where the FBI determined he jumped. She takes him in because she herself is such a lonely heart and they fall in love and spend their lives together until he dies. The account is Clara's given to the author after D.B. Cooper has supposedly died from a heart attack. The author fills in a lot where Clara wasn't clear on some situations since she is narrating second hand Cooper's experiences. If this "Clara" existed it would be very easy for the FBI to identify her because she lived in a cabin in a remote area on Lake Mervin in Washington. On the run with Cooper she is able to find good jobs because she had good credentials and had never changed her name. This book is really more a story and conjecture of what a vanisher would go through trying to live and find work in the U.S without a a social security number or an education or work history.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1647 on: January 30, 2017, 08:59:19 PM »
Does the book mention anything about what Cooper did with the bomb, real, fake? where is the parachute, notes, clothing, in the shed?

"Show me the money"
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1648 on: January 30, 2017, 09:33:58 PM »
A letter was sent to Max in 1972 from supposedly, DB Cooper, using 2nd alias again? he also promised to prove who he was which apparently didn't happen...

Letter from Cooper sent to him in 1972....book published in 1986?

when was the public notified that it was Dan Cooper, and not DB Cooper? this could be the same guy who sent the letters, but wan't Cooper...
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1649 on: January 30, 2017, 10:30:14 PM »
Cooper has a broken foot and goes clear down to Tina bar and plants the money, then hobbles all the way back up to Lake Merwin hiding in a shed? lot of mileage covered there...