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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1620 on: January 22, 2017, 09:57:54 PM »
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Put DAN LECLAIR on the list.

Hello diclemeg, and welcome to the forum..

Just to let you know, I will be moving your other post to here to the (suspects) page. I try to keep the amount of threads to a minimum...no biggie....
 

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« Reply #1621 on: January 22, 2017, 10:29:23 PM »
diclemeg seems to be pretty sure of his suspect, so lets give him the floor here on this thread to tell his story....
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1622 on: January 23, 2017, 02:17:40 AM »
And Marty? Where are you?
 

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« Reply #1623 on: January 23, 2017, 09:29:00 PM »
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And Marty? Where are you?

I'm all for the Gunther Hypothesis, and outline the complete case for "Dan LeClair" in my book. In fact, as I've reviewed the discussions and researched the specifics of the particles recently found thanks to the EU folks, I am more convinced LeClair is our guy.

I only hesitate to agree with adding him to the poll because we don't have a name to investigate yet.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1624 on: January 24, 2017, 12:57:14 AM »
Hey Marty,
So I guess I am not the only one, utterly amazed, how everyone looks the other way....  all the suspects listed above, just seem all so implausible, with LeClair staring at us.... it's so obvious to me...
And the talk of Rackstraw... He was 29 at time, not mid 40s, not dark complected, not dark brown eyes....
You mentioned the tie evidence but if LeClair were working as the Portland hotel maintenance do all, would he have a tie? I would think not.  And didn't Clara mention in the book that he had to secure a suit and attache'?  Then why not a tie, too? Maybe from a thrift store, but better yet, maybe from a customer of the hotel that visited Textronix, etc, and left it there....
I'm not quite sold on the notion LeClairs tie was Frome his time as an industrial chemical sales on the east coast, and rather, he picked it up while working at Portland hotel. 

To find LeClair, it'd be easy if Gunther's heirs have his real data from Gunther's interviews.  From there the cross referencing could be easy. 
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1625 on: January 24, 2017, 02:36:24 AM »
"Dan LeClair", if he does exist (which I believe) most certainly was exposed to the particles found on Cooper's tie before he left his family. It is very unlikely LeClair purchased the tie at a thrift store for a number of reasons. Most importantly, it's quite plausible someone who worked as a salesmen, manager and lower level executive for three different Industrial Chemical companies in the years before absconding from his family would have been exposed to the diverse collection of particles found on the tie by Kaye et al.

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Unfortunately, I've spent the last year and half pursuing the Gunther lead and have about 3,300 names to investigate. And that's assuming LeClair really was from the East Coast. The Gunther hypothesis is falsifiable, but it's going to take a lot of work to get there.
 

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« Reply #1626 on: January 24, 2017, 02:22:28 PM »
I didn't read your book yet but will...
The thing about being the salesman, would he really have these exotic chemicals on the tie?  I don't know exactly what an industrial chemical salesman does but I figure it'd be more of a white collar job like a car salesman, the latter won't have oil or antifreeze on his tie, but at a distance from the cars he is selling.  Plus, IIRC the tie analysis showed some intertwined particles that imply manufacturing exposure, and not so much pure standalone chemicals.  Thus, I'd lean toward him getting the tie in Portland, along with the suit...
But it's moot, until I read your info compiled. 
I live on Long Island and I almost want to place an ad in the Village Voice saying akin to "Cooper's Clara, call me at XXX-XXXX" and see if she wants to sell her story before she passes, which probably is soon, if she is still alive.  Maybe she would see it and contact me.  She never had kids so any deathbed confession probably won't be coming.
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« Reply #1627 on: January 24, 2017, 03:52:12 PM »
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I didn't read your book yet but will...
The thing about being the salesman, would he really have these exotic chemicals on the tie?  I don't know exactly what an industrial chemical salesman does but I figure it'd be more of a white collar job like a car salesman, the latter won't have oil or antifreeze on his tie, but at a distance from the cars he is selling.  Plus, IIRC the tie analysis showed some intertwined particles that imply manufacturing exposure, and not so much pure standalone chemicals.  Thus, I'd lean toward him getting the tie in Portland, along with the suit...
But it's moot, until I read your info compiled. 
I live on Long Island and I almost want to place an ad in the Village Voice saying akin to "Cooper's Clara, call me at XXX-XXXX" and see if she wants to sell her story before she passes, which probably is soon, if she is still alive.  Maybe she would see it and contact me.  She never had kids so any deathbed confession probably won't be coming.

I hope you enjoy the book, but I'll clarify my point: LeClair, if what is written about him is true, worked in industrial chemicals for about two decades. During the two decades, it is said he went from sales to a manager. His sales job would have taken him to a variety of places across the country, including job sites and factories. As a manager, he likely supervised factory floor workers at some point. Over time, he likely did a number of jobs. Clara, through Gunther, make it a point to talk about how mechanically minded LeClair was; he liked working with his hands and would have gravitated to those jobs. Also, LeClair worked for successively smaller companies in the years before he left his family, meaning he likely would have had a more general role in the smaller companies than the specialized role he had in the larger company.

Regardless, the tie is the primary link between Gunther's story and the real Cooper. The anti-corrosive metallic particles are exactly what a guy like LeClair would have been exposed to in indsutrial chemicals. Without this connection, there is no physical evidence connecting Gunther's story and the hijacking. What are the odds LeClair would pick up a tie that belonged to a manager working in the same industry he did? Who also would have been exposed to unalloyed titanium? Nearly impossible.
 

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« Reply #1628 on: January 24, 2017, 05:55:02 PM »
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I didn't read your book yet but will...
The thing about being the salesman, would he really have these exotic chemicals on the tie?  I don't know exactly what an industrial chemical salesman does but I figure it'd be more of a white collar job like a car salesman, the latter won't have oil or antifreeze on his tie, but at a distance from the cars he is selling.  Plus, IIRC the tie analysis showed some intertwined particles that imply manufacturing exposure, and not so much pure standalone chemicals.  Thus, I'd lean toward him getting the tie in Portland, along with the suit...
But it's moot, until I read your info compiled. 
I live on Long Island and I almost want to place an ad in the Village Voice saying akin to "Cooper's Clara, call me at XXX-XXXX" and see if she wants to sell her story before she passes, which probably is soon, if she is still alive.  Maybe she would see it and contact me.  She never had kids so any deathbed confession probably won't be coming.

I hope you enjoy the book, but I'll clarify my point: LeClair, if what is written about him is true, worked in industrial chemicals for about two decades. During the two decades, it is said he went from sales to a manager. His sales job would have taken him to a variety of places across the country, including job sites and factories. As a manager, he likely supervised factory floor workers at some point. Over time, he likely did a number of jobs. Clara, through Gunther, make it a point to talk about how mechanically minded LeClair was; he liked working with his hands and would have gravitated to those jobs. Also, LeClair worked for successively smaller companies in the years before he left his family, meaning he likely would have had a more general role in the smaller companies than the specialized role he had in the larger company.

Regardless, the tie is the primary link between Gunther's story and the real Cooper. The anti-corrosive metallic particles are exactly what a guy like LeClair would have been exposed to in indsutrial chemicals. Without this connection, there is no physical evidence connecting Gunther's story and the hijacking. What are the odds LeClair would pick up a tie that belonged to a manager working in the same industry he did? Who also would have been exposed to unalloyed titanium? Nearly impossible.

And yttrium?

Remember we don't have a full assay on this tie. Just a few particles. Well yes, thousands!  :)) One or two particles out of the whole group could prove crucial markers, but a fuller assay would be nice to have just to complete the picture. Maybe Gray can finish the work.  :-*
 

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« Reply #1629 on: January 24, 2017, 06:53:40 PM »
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I didn't read your book yet but will...

...I live on Long Island and I almost want to place an ad in the Village Voice saying akin to "Cooper's Clara, call me at XXX-XXXX" and see if she wants to sell her story before she passes, which probably is soon, if she is still alive.  Maybe she would see it and contact me.  She never had kids so any deathbed confession probably won't be coming.

Where on Long Island? I was just there for the holidays! Give me a holler and we can get together the next time I'm in town.

By all means, advertise in the Village Voice. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, as my mother always said...
 

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« Reply #1630 on: January 30, 2017, 12:03:23 PM »
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I didn't read your book yet but will...
The thing about being the salesman, would he really have these exotic chemicals on the tie?  I don't know exactly what an industrial chemical salesman does but I figure it'd be more of a white collar job like a car salesman, the latter won't have oil or antifreeze on his tie, but at a distance from the cars he is selling.  Plus, IIRC the tie analysis showed some intertwined particles that imply manufacturing exposure, and not so much pure standalone chemicals.  Thus, I'd lean toward him getting the tie in Portland, along with the suit...
But it's moot, until I read your info compiled. 
I live on Long Island and I almost want to place an ad in the Village Voice saying akin to "Cooper's Clara, call me at XXX-XXXX" and see if she wants to sell her story before she passes, which probably is soon, if she is still alive.  Maybe she would see it and contact me.  She never had kids so any deathbed confession probably won't be coming.

I hope you enjoy the book, but I'll clarify my point: LeClair, if what is written about him is true, worked in industrial chemicals for about two decades. During the two decades, it is said he went from sales to a manager. His sales job would have taken him to a variety of places across the country, including job sites and factories. As a manager, he likely supervised factory floor workers at some point. Over time, he likely did a number of jobs. Clara, through Gunther, make it a point to talk about how mechanically minded LeClair was; he liked working with his hands and would have gravitated to those jobs. Also, LeClair worked for successively smaller companies in the years before he left his family, meaning he likely would have had a more general role in the smaller companies than the specialized role he had in the larger company.

Regardless, the tie is the primary link between Gunther's story and the real Cooper. The anti-corrosive metallic particles are exactly what a guy like LeClair would have been exposed to in indsutrial chemicals. Without this connection, there is no physical evidence connecting Gunther's story and the hijacking. What are the odds LeClair would pick up a tie that belonged to a manager working in the same industry he did? Who also would have been exposed to unalloyed titanium? Nearly impossible.

So, where is a picture, or anything that can verify the story from the book?
 

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« Reply #1631 on: January 30, 2017, 12:32:35 PM »
the only known missing persons from Canada during the early 70's that fits Cooper is James Hugh MacDonald.

. Despite intensive air search neither MacDonald nor his aircraft have been located.

He must be alive, it's 'astronomical" to believe they can't find him, or the plane?

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« Reply #1632 on: January 30, 2017, 01:40:13 PM »
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I didn't read your book yet but will...
The thing about being the salesman, would he really have these exotic chemicals on the tie?  I don't know exactly what an industrial chemical salesman does but I figure it'd be more of a white collar job like a car salesman, the latter won't have oil or antifreeze on his tie, but at a distance from the cars he is selling.  Plus, IIRC the tie analysis showed some intertwined particles that imply manufacturing exposure, and not so much pure standalone chemicals.  Thus, I'd lean toward him getting the tie in Portland, along with the suit...
But it's moot, until I read your info compiled. 
I live on Long Island and I almost want to place an ad in the Village Voice saying akin to "Cooper's Clara, call me at XXX-XXXX" and see if she wants to sell her story before she passes, which probably is soon, if she is still alive.  Maybe she would see it and contact me.  She never had kids so any deathbed confession probably won't be coming.

I hope you enjoy the book, but I'll clarify my point: LeClair, if what is written about him is true, worked in industrial chemicals for about two decades. During the two decades, it is said he went from sales to a manager. His sales job would have taken him to a variety of places across the country, including job sites and factories. As a manager, he likely supervised factory floor workers at some point. Over time, he likely did a number of jobs. Clara, through Gunther, make it a point to talk about how mechanically minded LeClair was; he liked working with his hands and would have gravitated to those jobs. Also, LeClair worked for successively smaller companies in the years before he left his family, meaning he likely would have had a more general role in the smaller companies than the specialized role he had in the larger company.

Regardless, the tie is the primary link between Gunther's story and the real Cooper. The anti-corrosive metallic particles are exactly what a guy like LeClair would have been exposed to in indsutrial chemicals. Without this connection, there is no physical evidence connecting Gunther's story and the hijacking. What are the odds LeClair would pick up a tie that belonged to a manager working in the same industry he did? Who also would have been exposed to unalloyed titanium? Nearly impossible.

So, where is a picture, or anything that can verify the story from the book?

It's worse than that, we don't even have Dan LeClair's real name. I present the full case on LeClair in my book. My position is simple, LeClair deserves a full investigation, one that can be done and will require a lot of work. Most importantly, it's falsifiable, so the investigation can have a clear end point.

 

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« Reply #1633 on: January 30, 2017, 01:54:40 PM »
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I didn't read your book yet but will...
The thing about being the salesman, would he really have these exotic chemicals on the tie?  I don't know exactly what an industrial chemical salesman does but I figure it'd be more of a white collar job like a car salesman, the latter won't have oil or antifreeze on his tie, but at a distance from the cars he is selling.  Plus, IIRC the tie analysis showed some intertwined particles that imply manufacturing exposure, and not so much pure standalone chemicals.  Thus, I'd lean toward him getting the tie in Portland, along with the suit...
But it's moot, until I read your info compiled. 
I live on Long Island and I almost want to place an ad in the Village Voice saying akin to "Cooper's Clara, call me at XXX-XXXX" and see if she wants to sell her story before she passes, which probably is soon, if she is still alive.  Maybe she would see it and contact me.  She never had kids so any deathbed confession probably won't be coming.

I hope you enjoy the book, but I'll clarify my point: LeClair, if what is written about him is true, worked in industrial chemicals for about two decades. During the two decades, it is said he went from sales to a manager. His sales job would have taken him to a variety of places across the country, including job sites and factories. As a manager, he likely supervised factory floor workers at some point. Over time, he likely did a number of jobs. Clara, through Gunther, make it a point to talk about how mechanically minded LeClair was; he liked working with his hands and would have gravitated to those jobs. Also, LeClair worked for successively smaller companies in the years before he left his family, meaning he likely would have had a more general role in the smaller companies than the specialized role he had in the larger company.

Regardless, the tie is the primary link between Gunther's story and the real Cooper. The anti-corrosive metallic particles are exactly what a guy like LeClair would have been exposed to in indsutrial chemicals. Without this connection, there is no physical evidence connecting Gunther's story and the hijacking. What are the odds LeClair would pick up a tie that belonged to a manager working in the same industry he did? Who also would have been exposed to unalloyed titanium? Nearly impossible.

So, where is a picture, or anything that can verify the story from the book?

It's worse than that, we don't even have Dan LeClair's real name. I present the full case on LeClair in my book. My position is simple, LeClair deserves a full investigation, one that can be done and will require a lot of work. Most importantly, it's falsifiable, so the investigation can have a clear end point.

Sounds perfectly perfect. And mimsy!  ;)

Any thought to dating when the money was exposed to Columbia river water? Anything as simple as that? 
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« Reply #1634 on: January 30, 2017, 02:31:16 PM »
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I didn't read your book yet but will...
The thing about being the salesman, would he really have these exotic chemicals on the tie?  I don't know exactly what an industrial chemical salesman does but I figure it'd be more of a white collar job like a car salesman, the latter won't have oil or antifreeze on his tie, but at a distance from the cars he is selling.  Plus, IIRC the tie analysis showed some intertwined particles that imply manufacturing exposure, and not so much pure standalone chemicals.  Thus, I'd lean toward him getting the tie in Portland, along with the suit...
But it's moot, until I read your info compiled. 
I live on Long Island and I almost want to place an ad in the Village Voice saying akin to "Cooper's Clara, call me at XXX-XXXX" and see if she wants to sell her story before she passes, which probably is soon, if she is still alive.  Maybe she would see it and contact me.  She never had kids so any deathbed confession probably won't be coming.

I hope you enjoy the book, but I'll clarify my point: LeClair, if what is written about him is true, worked in industrial chemicals for about two decades. During the two decades, it is said he went from sales to a manager. His sales job would have taken him to a variety of places across the country, including job sites and factories. As a manager, he likely supervised factory floor workers at some point. Over time, he likely did a number of jobs. Clara, through Gunther, make it a point to talk about how mechanically minded LeClair was; he liked working with his hands and would have gravitated to those jobs. Also, LeClair worked for successively smaller companies in the years before he left his family, meaning he likely would have had a more general role in the smaller companies than the specialized role he had in the larger company.

Regardless, the tie is the primary link between Gunther's story and the real Cooper. The anti-corrosive metallic particles are exactly what a guy like LeClair would have been exposed to in indsutrial chemicals. Without this connection, there is no physical evidence connecting Gunther's story and the hijacking. What are the odds LeClair would pick up a tie that belonged to a manager working in the same industry he did? Who also would have been exposed to unalloyed titanium? Nearly impossible.

So, where is a picture, or anything that can verify the story from the book?

It's worse than that, we don't even have Dan LeClair's real name. I present the full case on LeClair in my book. My position is simple, LeClair deserves a full investigation, one that can be done and will require a lot of work. Most importantly, it's falsifiable, so the investigation can have a clear end point.

Sounds perfectly perfect. And mimsy!  ;)

Any thought to dating when the money was exposed to Columbia river water? Anything as simple as that?

I'm on board with investigating everything.