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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1365 on: August 19, 2016, 07:12:18 PM »
If he stayed in the lav he was a sitting duck for an FBI rush into the plane. Doesn't sound like a good strategy to me. Like putting your head in the sand. Had Tina been able to run to the cockpit and let the crew know DBC was in the lav they could have radioed the info and the FBI could have stormed the plane. I think there was some other reason for the long delay in the lav.

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« Reply #1366 on: August 19, 2016, 07:16:44 PM »
                     I thought she was right there with him during this time? Didn't she say the door was open and they were talking?
 

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« Reply #1367 on: August 19, 2016, 07:26:15 PM »
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..."I think the FBI was smart enough to figure out that DB Cooper had been wearing Brown cosmetic contact as his only disguise to hide his blue eyes and it explains why he kept his eyes covered by the sun glasses except when showing off his "brown cosmetic lens covered eyes" to the Flight Attendants. He had spent a lot of time planning his caper and the Brown contacts where a major part of his disguise..."


Let's remember that only one flight attendant said that Cooper had brown eyes. And she was the most uptight, too.

Just sayin'...

So, I'm not tossing Petey out just because of eye color.
 

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« Reply #1368 on: August 19, 2016, 07:31:45 PM »
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If he stayed in the lav he was a sitting duck for an FBI rush into the plane. Doesn't sound like a good strategy to me. Like putting your head in the sand. Had Tina been able to run to the cockpit and let the crew know DBC was in the lav they could have radioed the info and the FBI could have stormed the plane. I think there was some other reason for the long delay in the lav.

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I've wondered about this, too. I figured he wanted to keep his visibility to the passengers to a minimum. Plus, I believe that the aisles were filled with passengers getting off the plane, so a rush job by the federales would have been delayed or problematic.

Additionally, there already was a fed on the plane before the passengers deplaned, the agent named "John," who got as far as Row 6. Perhaps Cooper was wise to avoid a direct confrontation with the agent. The real question for me is how and when John decided to turn around and depart the aircraft.
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« Reply #1369 on: August 19, 2016, 08:18:43 PM »
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Tina recounted that Cooper penst a LONG time in the lav. I've always wondered if he was removing contacts and dropped one. They can be REALLY hard to find. Just a guess.

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Long time in the lav?  Remember it was 1971 ----- cloth diapers and diaper pins ----- perhaps the thumb-sucking bed-wetting terrorist lowlife had difficulty changing himself in such a confined space without his buck-toothed mommy there to help.  That is probably why the witnesses described him as a geek with a pouty lower lip ---- he had a pant load.  Might help explain the ‘grudge’ also.

Those dark sunglasses wouldn’t have made the task any easier for him to accomplish.

So much for ‘Folk Hero’ status.  Pobrecito!!
 

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« Reply #1370 on: August 19, 2016, 10:27:32 PM »
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I was under the impression he spent time in the bathroom to stay out of sight of possible snipers.


That's what I remember reading years ago...


Ok, who voted for Duane Weber  :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))

Has Jo Weber learned to hack computers?  Wasn't she suppose to have a computer literate boyfriend? >:D
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« Reply #1371 on: August 19, 2016, 10:45:22 PM »
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I was under the impression he spent time in the bathroom to stay out of sight of possible snipers.


That's what I remember reading years ago...


Ok, who voted for Duane Weber  :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))

Has Jo Weber learned to hack computers?  Wasn't she suppose to have a computer literate boyfriend? >:D

He might be a little computer savvy, but this forum (SMF) is a very secure forum. you would have to be a member to try and gain access to the functions of this forum. hacking is not going to cut it. the server even knows who, and when someone tries to access the C-panel, which is the heart of the forum.

If Jo sent someone here, that's fine. I just thought it was funny.. C:-)
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« Reply #1372 on: August 19, 2016, 11:30:57 PM »
                 Speaking of the sunglasses he put on..........            There was some earlier discussion of D.B. possibly wearing makeup or wearing thrift store clothing to disguise himself. If he was in disguise why would he need to wear the sunglasses? Just wondering.....    any thoughts?
 

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« Reply #1373 on: August 20, 2016, 12:11:51 AM »
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                 Speaking of the sunglasses he put on..........            There was some earlier discussion of D.B. possibly wearing makeup or wearing thrift store clothing to disguise himself. If he was in disguise why would he need to wear the sunglasses? Just wondering.....    any thoughts?

There was a time when Cooper had no sun glasses on - hadnt put them on yet ?
 

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« Reply #1374 on: August 20, 2016, 01:49:11 AM »
Bill Mitchell says that DB Cooper put his sunglasses on shortly after they walked across the tarmac. Not sure if he donned them outside the plane, or once he was inside.

Obviously, this conflicts with Flo, who said that she saw him w/o the sunglasses on.

Or, he put them on, took them off at some point, and then put them on when he was sitting and Flo was changing seats with Tina, as GG reports.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1375 on: August 30, 2016, 09:10:48 AM »
Suspects are always a dangerous topic. some get personally involved and fail to see the truth. it causes conflicts, or ripples. this is why I don't have a favorite, or believe Cooper has been found. I don't know if that will ever happen. I haven't received anything lately from Colbert. people seem to get so frustrated when you don't agree with them.

Jo, Robert, and Colbert firmly believe they have Cooper, but all 3 can't be right. then you have Marla also claiming the same, but the majority of people outside that loop disagree with the conclusions they offer. I'm sure if we had access to the files you would see a pattern similar to the known suspects. they just never pushed as hard.

I think Colbert did a good job in certain area's, but some things can't be dismissed, or overlooked. then you have Jo, she has been at this for decades, Robert is approaching a decade himself. that's telling right there IMHO. it has zip to do with agenda's, or hate. it has a lot to do with conclusions, and evidence that doesn't support anything.

we can only speculate on Cooper's grudge, or the reason he was in Portland. if it was a different airline, or location would we have the same suspects? why would Kenny pick his own airline? was NWO the only airline striking? lots of people don't like there job. Duane couldn't steal a purse without getting caught, so how would he come close to pulling this off? to many things point them away from being Cooper, but it's extremely hard to show them the flaws, so you get punished for this?

we have a suspect thread, and other threads dedicated to suspects, but some still get upset about conclusions. you just can't make everyone agree with you. it's very frustrating sometimes.
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« Reply #1376 on: August 30, 2016, 10:01:51 PM »
If Cooper is eventually identified, by what method do you think that discovery will happen?  In other words, what will be the circumstances surrounding the discovery? 

Will it be a researcher carefully searching missing persons or personnel files?
someone recalling the family legend of weird Uncle L.D.?
Human remains being found with DNA?
???

Bruce gave a good radio interview awhile back that was linked to this forum, one thing that stood out for me in that interview was his thought that DBC will eventually be ID'd.  That's completely logical and well thought out but still hard to believe given how much time has passed and so many fruitless leads.
 

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« Reply #1377 on: August 30, 2016, 10:26:41 PM »
Our dedication to digging into the evidence is one pathway that DB Cooper will be identified. To wit:

1. Where did the titanium come from?
2. Re-construction of fingerprints to develop adequate prints.
3. More sophisticated analysis of the DNA, including all that came off the head rest.

I think the Norjak study, such as conducted by this Forum, will focus more on evidence and less on suspects - the endless and unproductive analysis of who looks like whom, and who acted funky on Thanksgiving in 1971. Say goodbye to the Rackstraw's, Weber's, Gossett's, LD's, etc. Say hello to phenotypes.

Also, we have the imagination and psychological chops to think outside of the box. Look at Robert99 and his alternative flight path.

Soon, too, I think we will develop a framework for why the crew have such inconsistent memories. That'll require digging more deeply in the protocols of 1971 at the NSA, etc. How did the upper echelon of government view Norjak? What was the best outcome from their point of view? Were their agendas satisfied?

We will know more about these subjects in the days to come.

Our forensic tools will continue to develop, too. We might find lightning in a bottle just around the corner.

Plus, maybe one day Tina will call me and say, "Buddy, you've got it right."

One piece of advise: don't waste your time on "missing persons." I doubt that DBC is missing in the conventional sense of that word. I doubt that checking the FBI's database for DNA and fingerprints will reveal anything useful. I would think that information was scrubbed a long time ago. But it will help us.

Also, we need to keep the pressure on the FBI. One day they might crack.
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« Reply #1378 on: August 31, 2016, 12:03:46 AM »
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If Cooper is eventually identified, by what method do you think that discovery will happen?  In other words, what will be the circumstances surrounding the discovery? 

Will it be a researcher carefully searching missing persons or personnel files?
someone recalling the family legend of weird Uncle L.D.?
Human remains being found with DNA?
???

Bruce gave a good radio interview awhile back that was linked to this forum, one thing that stood out for me in that interview was his thought that DBC will eventually be ID'd.  That's completely logical and well thought out but still hard to believe given how much time has passed and so many fruitless leads.


It's hard to say how, or if Cooper will ever be found. he sure isn't that bald short guy who worked 20 years after the hijacking (laughs)..

I still don't know if he made it or not?

The radio show linked to this forum might of been the one I was on. I like Clyde Lewis, but he was off on his accounts on where Cooper landed. he has Cooper drifting into the wind with his theory.


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« Reply #1379 on: August 31, 2016, 12:20:32 AM »
Meyer Louie and others at the 2011 Symposium directly refute Clyde's theory that the winds were coming from the east through the Gorge and blowing Cooper westward. They say winds from the west, blowing Coop eastward.

Unfortunately, Clyde is a true believer in Wolfie Gossett, despite the fact that Clyde told me that Wolf was the 'biggest bullshit artist I have ever met."