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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1260 on: July 18, 2016, 01:02:17 PM »
I'm reasonably sure Tina was shown all the photos that HC had. If she had identified anyone as DBC HC would have had the story of the year so why not try?

We must face the strong possibility that the real DBC has not yet been identified. Having the right qualifications and connections doesn't put a suspect on the NORJAC plane or under Norman's chute.

Maybe the titanium, bismuth and aluminum will lead to a new suspect. Pure titanium isn't a common clothing contaminant. From what I have read cosmetics, paint etc uses titanium dioxide not pure metallic titanium.

I give TK and Al a lot of credit for finding new distinct physical evidence. Opinions and speculation overflows in this case but new physical evidence is in VERY short supply.

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1261 on: July 18, 2016, 01:25:36 PM »
IMO, to many opportunities have come along to trigger these witnesses. I think for most of the known suspects, it's pretty much over. even Colbert didn't want to believe the one person who spent the most time with Cooper. Blevins is full blown trying to get people to read his PDF the FBI dismissed as non-credible? it's never ending with some of these people.

No, I don't believe Cooper is anywhere among those suspects, and looking in other directions seems to be the key.

Then we have some of them with books. this makes it even harder for them to believe anything but what they have written... O0
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1262 on: July 18, 2016, 01:45:30 PM »
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So I don't think Marla is lying but man has she ever lose some credibility going into her FBI coverup crap.

I agree with that.

That FBI coverup stuff she sites started with Karen Truitt, who was at the 2011 symposium.  I think Bruce writes about it in his book.

The hard part of that federal conspiracy is when you come up with the mechanics of it, so many people would have to be involved, it would be virtually impossible to have kept secret all this time.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1263 on: July 18, 2016, 01:55:03 PM »
Well, I don't believe she is being honest. she claimed LD went into hiding, but he has a very open public records trail that could of easily exposed his whereabouts. his job as a surveyor was post hijacking. it would of done him no good in the air anyway. did he put a transit out on the stairs? visibility was next to nothing.

Perhaps, it's a stretch, but maybe her father was the one being dishonest in the first place.

Then you have the last name thingy. I believe Blevins found that she changed it back prior to coming forward...why would Cooper even use his real name....again, nothing adds up....
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1264 on: July 18, 2016, 02:00:22 PM »
MB wrote: The hard part of that federal conspiracy is when you come up with the mechanics of it, so many people would have to be involved, it would be virtually impossible to have kept secret all this time.

I agree 100%. Nearly impossible. More than a couple of participants and sooner or later there is a leak, whistle blow or credible confession. That's why I pay ZERO attention to the 911 conspiracy stuff, cruise missile hit Pentagon, planted thermite used to sever key WTC structural members, etc.

McCoy was caught not too long after Norjack. If McCoy was Cooper surely Tina would have recognized him. The FBI must have showed her lots of photos.

It was interesting to hear Sheridan recount running into smoke jumpers he knew who were working for Air America in Vietnam. I'll bet he learned about the 727 airdrops.

Not a chance in hell that Norjack was a covert govt op, IMO.

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« Reply #1265 on: July 18, 2016, 02:29:33 PM »
OK, so Charles Dooley. hagarknew stated that he may have had some connection with the University of Minnesota. I looked through their yearbooks which are online from 1945-1965 and only came up with two Dooley's. Oddly enough, both were in the same year and both didn't appear in the previous year or any later yearbooks. The yearbook is for 1947 btw. Unfortunately, neither of them were in the yearbook other than these two pics, which is a real shame because the individual yearbook pics in these yearbooks have middle names, so unfortunately we don't know if either of these guys had a middle or first name of Charles.

This guy is listed as "William Dooley"



and this guy is "Donald Dooley"

 

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« Reply #1266 on: July 18, 2016, 10:17:23 PM »
interesting       I also found a Richard Dooley who was listed as a junior in the 1943 University of Minnesota yearbook archives     maybe too old?    that would make him what  like 48 or so at time of hijacking      this guy wasn't in the yearbooks after this either 
 

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« Reply #1267 on: July 18, 2016, 10:29:38 PM »
not sure it would matter but I should mention that Hager said something about Charles Dooley being close with a very tall(Hager called him a 7 footer) university basketball player   thought they might have been roommates
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1268 on: July 19, 2016, 01:15:11 AM »
Haggarknew - could you please spell out the connections of Chuck Dooley to being DB Cooper. I feeling lost with details that are interesting but not directly involved, such as seven-foot tall roommates.

Personally, I am averaging about two suspects a day being delivered to me this week via emails. I can't keep everyone straight.

Plus Colbert is busting my chops on the ticket, and I can't conclusively come up with proof that Dan Cooper didn't sign his tix.
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« Reply #1269 on: July 19, 2016, 01:27:45 AM »
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Haggarknew - could you please spell out the connections of Chuck Dooley to being DB Cooper. I feeling lost with details that are interesting but not directly involved, such as seven-foot tall roommates.

Personally, I am averaging about two suspects a day being delivered to me this week via emails. I can't keep everyone straight.

Plus Colbert is busting my chops on the ticket, and I can't conclusively come up with proof that Dan Cooper didn't sign his tix.

Bruce, to repeat again, in the 1971 time frame, the ticket agent ALWAYS filled out the complete ticket.  The passenger NEVER had to sign that ticket.  That is ABSOLUTELY NOT Cooper's writing on that ticket.

If Cooper is going to write his own name on the ticket, why would the ticket agent even bother to ask for his name.  He could just wait for Cooper to write his name and then read it.

You might check with Himmelsbach, or at least thumb through his book, to find out what happened between the FBI and the ticket agent.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1270 on: July 19, 2016, 01:29:30 AM »
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Plus Colbert is busting my chops on the ticket, and I can't conclusively come up with proof that Dan Cooper didn't sign his tix.

FBI statements
Hal Williams
Other ticket agents
Bill Mitchell

Did Cooper politely ask to fill in his name?

Are we sure it was flight 305, and not 304? where does it end??
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1271 on: July 19, 2016, 04:12:48 AM »
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Plus Colbert is busting my chops on the ticket, and I can't conclusively come up with proof that Dan Cooper didn't sign his tix.

FBI statements
Hal Williams
Other ticket agents
Bill Mitchell

Did Cooper politely ask to fill in his name?

Are we sure it was flight 305, and not 304? where does it end??

Thanks.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1272 on: July 19, 2016, 04:24:53 AM »
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Haggarknew - could you please spell out the connections of Chuck Dooley to being DB Cooper. I feeling lost with details that are interesting but not directly involved, such as seven-foot tall roommates.

Personally, I am averaging about two suspects a day being delivered to me this week via emails. I can't keep everyone straight.

Plus Colbert is busting my chops on the ticket, and I can't conclusively come up with proof that Dan Cooper didn't sign his tix.

Bruce, to repeat again, in the 1971 time frame, the ticket agent ALWAYS filled out the complete ticket.  The passenger NEVER had to sign that ticket.  That is ABSOLUTELY NOT Cooper's writing on that ticket.

If Cooper is going to write his own name on the ticket, why would the ticket agent even bother to ask for his name.  He could just wait for Cooper to write his name and then read it.

You might check with Himmelsbach, or at least thumb through his book, to find out what happened between the FBI and the ticket agent.

Ralph Himmelsbach, p. 13 NORJAK

“Lysne wrote 'Cooper, Dan' on the flight manifest, and wrote 'Seattle' and '52' on the ticket jacket in the spaces for destination and boarding gate.”

Hmmm. But did Lysne write the name "Dan Cooper" on the ticket?

Richard Tosaw, p. 1:

“Nothing appeared unusual about the man. He was middle-aged and wore a white shirt, narrow black tie, dark suit and raincoat. He looked all the world to be nothing more than a typical, everyday business man.

“The agent began filling out the ticket and routinely asked the man his name. He replied, 'Dan Cooper.'


GG and Skyjack are inconclusive.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1273 on: July 19, 2016, 08:51:14 AM »
sorry for the confusion     let me try                 Charles Dooley       known to work in the steel plants and their subsidiary plants at this time as some type of automation engineer (possible link to particles on tie)          worked in the area between 1969 and 1971 (job finished days before hijacking) and left area right after hijacking      known amongst small group of friends to have some type of issue with F.B.I. (was close friends with biker group and bar owner that had some type of run in with local F.B.I.)        looked familiar to sketches (photo of billiard league tournament champs in local newspaper) according to friend             had knowledge of local geography especially around the south and southwest part of state (went with local hunters on extended hunting trips in the region even though he never participated in hunting)        was known to parachute with friends in southwest part of state        piloted plane from Seattle to Reno at least 6 to 8 times (with half dozen friends aboard) flying thru same corridor as hijacked plane        flew these people to Reno, at no cost to them, so they could gamble yet never ever gambled himself (actually would stay in his hotel room by himself for most of the weekend)            I believe he knew hijacked plane would have to use Reno as it's refueling point     I also believe he ordered he ordered crew to set flaps and lower staircase in order to mimic rental plane's airspeed and altitude so as to ensure they followed same flight path(I think he had intended drop zone timed out thru his earlier flights to Reno)          he led F.B.I. to believe he might force other people on plane (crew members) to parachute with him thus ensuring they would not tamper with chutes (also his reason he gave them for wanting extra chutes)           believe he had help once he landed (coon dogs and coon hunters)               At least this is what I believe according to what my friend told me
 

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« Reply #1274 on: July 19, 2016, 09:54:35 AM »
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Perhaps it's this guy?




Is there any more to that clip? It's only 55 seconds ---- any idea where the rest of it is??

He speaks about a bartender. The story from haggarknew also involves a bartender or bar owner