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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1245 on: July 16, 2016, 03:23:33 PM »
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The suspect avenue seems to have increased since the FBI stated the closing of the case I'm not talking about new suspects, but some of the old ones seems to be re-hatching new approaches, or evidence?

Duane Weber, this is a decades old suspect who has an extensive file with the FBI. Weber is still running strong in mind of the sole person trying to prove Weber as Cooper, but fails to see that nothing links him what so ever to the crime.

Kenneth Christiansen, this suspect is coming up on a decade in life as Cooper. the FBI has stated many times that Kenny is "not a viable suspect" the only thing matching the description is the fact of him being male. Kenny worked for NWO, and many agree he would of been noticed. new, and updated information has been sent to the FBI over a year ago. they did review the information, as the do all leads. when the FBI concluded "no credible leads" all reports given to them are included.

Melvin Wilson, I believe Vicki has done a superb job in trying to find out (not claim) whether or not her father could be Cooper. she has gone through the proper channels in order to try and verify things, but has run into Government red tape. I believe Melvin is a good candidate, but a lot more information is required in order to move forward.

Richard Lepsy, I'm not sure whether the FBI has any information on Lepsy, or not, but like all the other suspects, I believe he has validation in the possibility that he could be Cooper, and just as any other suspect, we have hurdles, and problems with Lepsy.

Sheridan Peterson, He seems to be a good candidate in certain area's, but I think he tends to be more of a prankster, like Cossey more than anything. the letters sent to the newspapers have never been verified as Cooper being the sender, just as no proof is found with Cooper putting his name on the ticket. this was a guy who made sure everything was retrieved linking him to the crime, so why would he risk writing on the ticket?

Most of them don't fit the profile of Cooper, some appear to have had normal lives, and makes me wonder what they would actually think about family members accusing them of this horrible crime. personally, I could never drag one of my family members through the mud like I've seen some of these people do. Vicki, and Ross are not those people I'm referring too.

Very few of the suspects have any connection to the case, other than "he could have been".

Anyone who supposedly confessed at least has a connection (and someone supposedly heard it) -- that's Barb Dayton, Duane Weber, LD Cooper (it was Dewey's confession Marla heard).  Robert Rackstraw allegedly confessed to try to get sent to federal prison instead of state prison, but retracted it.  Some of these can't be verified, but that at least ties them to the case, however weakly.  No suspect's fingerprints or DNA have been found on the plane.  No suspect has been identified by the witnesses.  No suspect was caught with the money.  No suspect can even be placed in Portland at the time of the hijacking.

Arguing which suspect is better is a bit like arguing about who has the best looking imaginary friend.

 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1246 on: July 16, 2016, 03:39:24 PM »
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Arguing which suspect is better is a bit like arguing about who has the best looking imaginary friend.


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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1247 on: July 16, 2016, 03:43:46 PM »
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Arguing which suspect is better is a bit like arguing about who has the best looking imaginary friend.


I like that, Mark. I'm gonna put it in the 3rd Edition!

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« Reply #1248 on: July 18, 2016, 09:50:10 AM »
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as Ole Miss Cub reported earlier -- if you're looking for a domestic missing person from that time with those characteristics, you can probably count them without taking your shoes off.

Yep, there's 7 including Wilson and Lepsy. That's IT.

The others:

William Ellis, disappeared in June 1971 from Maryland at age 38. I like this guy's look ALOT. He seems to have something weird with his bottom lip (which I believe was mentioned by one or both of the stews). His droopy eyes very much resemble Comp B. But alas! His file has him at 5'6, 150 lbs. Booooo



Lewis Welch, disappeared in May 1971 from Northern California (Nevada County specifically) at the age of 44. He was 6'2. His friends think he killed himself (jumping out of a 727 could accomplish that if he wanted to)



James Shaw, disappeared in May 1971 in Nevada at the age of 41. But alas! He was 6'4 and someone that tall would surely have been commented on by everyone who saw him.



Charles Hollingsworth disappeared in October 1970 from outside Sacramento, CA at age 39. He was a doctor. He was 6'1, 200-210. But alas! I don't think he likes much like the sketch and also was a handsome man. I don't think Mitchell would have A) called this guy a geek, or B) thought he could take him in a fight.




John Lake, disappeared in December 1967 from New York City in his late 30's. Would have been 41 at the time of the hijacking. Was 6'0, 180. Was the sports editor for Newsweek at the time. This is from the Doe Network webapge: "Many of Lake's coworkers at Newsweek feel his disappearance was voluntary. He had been depressed for at least a year, due mainly to the deteriorating relationship with his wife and growing dissatisfaction with his job. Despite his high-profile position, he had struggled financially for years. More than a few of Lake's associates thought he just wanted some peace, although none seem to find suicide likely." Also: "He was a runner himself and believed in keeping fit."



With Willie Mays!!



I emailed John Lake's son who still runs a website, and this was his response:

Thanks for taking the time to write. I appreciate your interest. It's a fair question, but my suspicion is that it's unlikely.

I, too, have always been interested in the DB Cooper case, and not because of my father, just because it's interesting. But a couple things that make it unlikely that DB Cooper was really John Lake:

1. The hijacking was November, 1971, four years after my dad's disappearance. If it was him, still looking like he did, that's a lot of time to pass without being recognized or earning money in the interim that was traceable;
2. My dad had no parachute training or background in aviation. He was in the Navy, but served as a journalist;
3. My dad was a runner and didn't smoke. He did have a cigar every now and then, though.
4. I don't think my father had any connection at all with the area, except for one friend in the Pacific Northwest. And I've met him, and he's a no-crap guy, honest as can be -- he wouldn't have been "in on it."

I agree that the physical description is similar, and some behavioral traits have some matching merit.

I'm grateful for your kind words and always interested to hear theories, potential matches with unidentifieds, or just questions.

Best regards,

Eric Lake
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1249 on: July 18, 2016, 09:57:11 AM »
That was a very nice, and honest reply Mr. Lake's sent  C:-) you don't see many try and disprove someone was Cooper... O0
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1250 on: July 18, 2016, 10:06:58 AM »
Olemisscub, let me ask you a question. how much credibility would you put in a person who claims to have a very clear memory of events 40+ years later. like, identifying a piece of jewelry that wasn't always worn, or when someone stopped doing something around a certain period, like post hijacking.

Would you put any credibility in a 12 year old claiming to have seen something for about 20 seconds 40+ years later, that had no reason to recall in the first place?

How would you approach things like this during a trial?
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1251 on: July 18, 2016, 10:21:04 AM »
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Olemisscub, let me ask you a question. how much credibility would you put in a person who claims to have a very clear memory of events 40+ years later. like, identifying a piece of jewelry that wasn't always worn, or when someone stopped doing something around a certain period, like post hijacking.

Would you put any credibility in a 12 year old claiming to have seen something for about 20 seconds 40+ years later, that had no reason to recall in the first place?

How would you approach things like this during a trial?

I think it would be VERY easy for the defense to attack a small memory from 40 years ago. However, you see lots of WWII vets who can remember very specific details of things 70 years later, so it's certainly possible for memories to remain that long. If I was prosecuting a case that dealt with a memory that old, during closing arguments I would ask the jury to do a little mind game with me. I would ask them to try to remember a memory of their uncle or aunt or cousin from childhood. Chances are they'll all be able to have some memory stand out to them, no matter how long ago it was. Of course that would make them more likely to overcome any "but this was 40 years ago!" argument from the defense.

I suppose you are talking about Marla. I could certainly see how she could remember such an odd event all these years later. Her uncle being all bloody and being very coy with her would certainly be something that stood out. Walking around in the woods with your uncle and dad while they play on walkie-talkies might be something memorable as well.

I personally have an odd uncle (who doesn't) and I can remember strange encounters with him from nearly 30 years ago. So I don't think Marla is lying but man has she ever lose some credibility going into her FBI coverup crap. 
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1252 on: July 18, 2016, 10:26:27 AM »
So I wonder if, behind the scenes, Eng or Carr had enough relationship with Flo or Tina to where they could just email or send pics to them of some of these suspects we always talk about. It seems like if I was an FBI investigator that'd be the first thing I'd do if I got info on a new suspect.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1253 on: July 18, 2016, 10:35:57 AM »
I take a little bit of a different approach. I wasn't really talking about Marla as a key point, she is in the mix, but, it's not some of those stories I can't believe. it's how they build up to them.

It was very obvious she had read the thread at Dropzone.com, and built her case from there.

I understand recalling tragic events. I seen my friends mother shoot her husband in the basement of there home. I couldn't have been more than 9 years old. I have absolutely no recall of what they look like. I remember the shooting, and seeing my friends older brother try to grab the gun just before it went off, but I couldn't tell you what they were wearing that day.

I have no clue what kind of jewelry my mother had 40 years ago, let alone 10. it shocks me to see people identify trivial things from long ago, or recall where someone was during that time frame when they don't really have anything, or reason to recall them. if this was a tragic event for them, I could give more credit to the story, but they were not accussing them back when it first occurred, so how is the memory so sharp?
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1254 on: July 18, 2016, 10:40:59 AM »
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So I wonder if, behind the scenes, Eng or Carr had enough relationship with Flo or Tina to where they could just email or send pics to them of some of these suspects we always talk about. It seems like if I was an FBI investigator that'd be the first thing I'd do if I got info on a new suspect.

Carr stated years back that he believed in privacy with them. I'm sure in the first couple years they were approaching them often. Mitchell stated they use to come to him with pictures all the time...I don't know how Eng. approached them....

I think the media has exposed the suspects well enough to be seen by them anyway?
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« Reply #1255 on: July 18, 2016, 10:56:35 AM »
I have a very good memory, to a certain extent. I can remember as far back to age 3. I had a double Hernia. I remember being in the hospital crib/bed. I remember looking out the window to see my father pull into the parking lot. watching cartoon films. getting the stitches out post surgery, but I can't recall any details..

When I was 6 years old, I committed my first Federal offense  C:-) me and my friend (no clue who he is) stole all the mail on our street. my butt remembers it well, but I can't recall any faces, or even who was my accomplice  O0

I can recall a lot of odd things as well, but I can't recall what people were wearing, other than my lime green bell bottoms, and lime green flowered imitation silk shirt worn in the early to mid 70's. can you dig it  O0
 

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« Reply #1256 on: July 18, 2016, 11:50:23 AM »
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I can recall a lot of odd things as well, but I can't recall what people were wearing, other than my lime green bell bottoms, and lime green flowered imitation silk shirt worn in the early to mid 70's. can you dig it  O0

Memories are funny things. I wouldn't discount people remembering jewelry and clothes. My wife has an astonishingly detailed memory. She absolutely can remember the clothes she or others were wearing when relating stories from 25 years earlier. It's pretty weird. She's a beautiful woman, a great attorney, and I'm lucky to be married to her, but holy crap it can be difficult to be married to a woman with SUCH an insanely good memory! She uses it against me to her great advantage all the time, haha.
 

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« Reply #1257 on: July 18, 2016, 11:53:07 AM »
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Carr stated years back that he believed in privacy with them.

That's at least what he stated publicly hoping people would leave them alone. But surely, in private, he had to have some decent relationship with them. It would have been investigative malpractice not to.
 

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« Reply #1258 on: July 18, 2016, 11:55:01 AM »
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I can recall a lot of odd things as well, but I can't recall what people were wearing, other than my lime green bell bottoms, and lime green flowered imitation silk shirt worn in the early to mid 70's. can you dig it  O0

Memories are funny things. I wouldn't discount people remembering jewelry and clothes. My wife has an astonishingly detailed memory. She absolutely can remember the clothes she or others were wearing when relating stories from 25 years earlier. It's pretty weird. She's a beautiful woman, a great attorney, and I'm lucky to be married to her, but holy crap it can be difficult to be married to a woman with SUCH an insanely good memory! She uses it against me to her great advantage all the time, haha.


I do believe we have people just like your wife, but it appears to be an epidemic with the amount of people with this given feature. it's not that common, but very common in this case. multiple people per suspect....
 

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« Reply #1259 on: July 18, 2016, 11:59:26 AM »
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Carr stated years back that he believed in privacy with them.

That's at least what he stated publicly hoping people would leave them alone. But surely, in private, he had to have some decent relationship with them. It would have been investigative malpractice not to.

I guess it comes down once again to how much faith they put in the suspect in the first place. I would assume it would have to get past them prior to moving forward with contacting anyone who was on the plane. we know they keep certain details out of view to weed suspects out....