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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1095 on: February 29, 2016, 10:03:32 AM »
Georger:  You have failed to answer the following:

"You have not answered the question "Why else would Sheridan Peterson lie to the FBI about his whereabouts in his phony alibi with the birth dates of both his children in different years (1970 and 1972) than Norjak (1971) and in Nepal unless he is DB COOPER?"

You would have to admit that Sheridan "is DB COOPER"

However, you can't bring yourself to use logic and only use naysaying instead. Too bad and so sad.

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« Reply #1096 on: February 29, 2016, 01:33:18 PM »
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Georger:  You have failed to answer the following:

"You have not answered the question "Why else would Sheridan Peterson lie to the FBI about his whereabouts in his phony alibi with the birth dates of both his children in different years (1970 and 1972) than Norjak (1971) and in Nepal unless he is DB COOPER?"

You would have to admit that Sheridan "is DB COOPER"

However, you can't bring yourself to use logic and only use naysaying instead. Too bad and so sad.

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Sheridan could have other reasons for lying, if in fact he did lie to the FBI. A false alibi doesn't prove he is DBC. But it is an interesting data point, if true.

Sailshaw, why don't you republish your comparison of Peterson's novel text to Norjack facts. I always found that quite interesting, especially the part about wandering along the banks of the Columbia River in Winter, with freezing feet due to inadeqaute footwear. Seemed oddly out of place in a novel about Vietnam.

Sheridan has every parachutist qualification needed to have pulled off Norjack successfully:

1. USFS smoke jumper with Pacific NW wilderness jump experience.
2. Expert skydiver USPA D license (highest level)  and USPA Instructor license.
3. Night jump record holder.
4. Water jump experience.
5 Jumped in Vietnam (civilian jumps)
6. Daredevil and out of the box thinker on skydiving (homemade bat wings to extend freefall glide).
7. Unafraid of unfamiliar gear and new situations, jumped in China with gear that had no means for a cutaway.

He also has some interesting connections though which he might have learned about the 727 drop tests that Boeing conducted.

1. Short term tenant of Sailshaw's. (Sailshaw was a Boeing engineer and worked on 737 side airstairs special ordered by Alaska Airlines). Peterson asked about 727 airstairs during that   period (approx ten years before Norjack)
2. Worked at Boeing in tech documentation field. Took the Boeing job after Sailshaw was unable to supply 727 airstair door info.
3. President of Boeing Skydiving Club. Skydivers talk about anything involving jumping. Rumors might have circulated among Boeing skydivers about the 727 drop tests.

But perfect candidate doesn't always translate into perfect suspect. He seems by all accounts to have a decent moral compass and strongly opposes violence. Hard to imagine him threatening to kill innocent flight crew merely for monetary gain.

Also he has blue not brown eyes. Sure, tinted contacts can be used to spoof eye colors, but when you hear hoof beats think horses not unicorns. The contacts theory is the unicorn alternative.

Also the FBI ruled Peterson out based on a DNA comparison to what they believe is a sample of DBC's DNA.

Gotta keep an open mind on DBC. Unless you can tie a suspect to the crime directly everything else is just circumstantial evidence.

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1097 on: February 29, 2016, 01:37:53 PM »
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Georger:  You have failed to answer the following:

"You have not answered the question "Why else would Sheridan Peterson lie to the FBI about his whereabouts in his phony alibi with the birth dates of both his children in different years (1970 and 1972) than Norjak (1971) and in Nepal unless he is DB COOPER?"

You would have to admit that Sheridan "is DB COOPER"

However, you can't bring yourself to use logic and only use naysaying instead. Too bad and so sad.

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Let me guess!  :(

Is it bigger than a bread box but smaller than a dime?  How much by the ton?   ???   
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« Reply #1098 on: February 29, 2016, 06:17:54 PM »
I don't believe I've seen the proof of Peterson being here in the USA during the period he was supposed to be in Nepal, has this been shown before?
 

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« Reply #1099 on: February 29, 2016, 11:37:56 PM »
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I don't believe I've seen the proof of Peterson being here in the USA during the period he was supposed to be in Nepal, has this been shown before?

I think SS is saying the children were not born in Nepal on the dates Peterson said, but somewhere else on different dates? From that we leap to Peterson being DB Cooper because his Nepal alibi claiming he tended a childbirth there near the hijacking date is untrue . ?
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« Reply #1100 on: March 01, 2016, 10:13:00 AM »
Shutter:   You say:  "I don't believe I've seen the proof of Peterson being here in the USA during the period he was supposed to be in Nepal, has this been shown before?"

I say:  The proof that he was here in the USA and at the scene of the Crime in Portland is the DNA under the Stamps and Envelope flaps of the four letters sent just after Norjak by DB Cooper and when compared with what the FBI has from Sheridan they would find a match. That would be the real cincher to tie it to Sheridan but the FBI is stuck on stop. However, I have yet to see any good reason for Sheridan to lie to the FBI about being in Nepal and delivering the birth of one of his two children when they were actually born in 1970 and 1972 (per public records)  and Norjak was in 1971. There is no really good reason because he was not in Nepal and his alibi was a phony because he is DB Cooper. Case solved in my mind at least.

377 I worked on the 737 aft airstairs (side aft door) testing as it was being considered by Lufansa (spelling?) Air Line and not Alaska Air Line.

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1101 on: March 01, 2016, 05:06:23 PM »
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The proof that he was here in the USA and at the scene of the Crime in Portland is the DNA under the Stamps and Envelope flaps of the four letters

That's speculation, suspicion, not proof....
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« Reply #1102 on: March 01, 2016, 07:15:10 PM »
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... If you can believe the Smith ideology, Mucklow became an emotional basket case, unreliable, and a virtual hermit evading the public while we know Schaffner got married and was having a solid social-emotional self-supporting life...

Ah, let the Muckow-Schaffner revisionism begin.

My "ideology" is based upon what authors, FBI agents, and Bill Rataczak told me about Tina's mental status.

1. Calame and Rhodes wrote that Tina's memory was so impaired by the mid-1980s that she would never be called upon to be a witness in Norjak should the skyjacker ever be apprehended and brought to trial.

2. Rataczak told me that when he was working with Richard Tosaw on his book, Tosaw had told him that Tina's memory had been wiped clean "like a white board." He further told me that Tina's ex did not know her whereabouts, nor phone number, nor the last names and contact information for Tina's sister and husband - the Dormuths. So, this "ideology" issue goes a bit deeper than just my opinion of one flight attendant.

3. Along those lines, Calame and Rhodes write that Tina did not remember the clip-on tie when they spoke with her in the 1980s. This adds to the fact that the FBI agents on the evidence retrieval team in Reno - Campbell, Ricks, Stousland, et al. had no memory of the clip-on tie, either. That means that by the late 1980s, none of the five principals who presumably encountered the clip-on tie in Reno had any memory of that event.

4. As for Tina and her fragile "ideological" state, she did enter a cloistered convent in 1980 and stayed there for 12 years. Afterwards, she stayed hidden for the next 25 years until Jo Weber, Galen, GG, and I discovered her whereabouts in 2010 or so. 35 years of silence is a lot of "ideology," wouldn't you say, G?

5. Tina's public appearance on the pages of the Eugene Weekly in 2012 is bogus in my opinion. The gal pictured in the Happening People section of the EW does not look like the Tina Mucklow I met in July 2011, as she has gained at least 50 pounds and is laughing. The Tina I met does not look like a woman who has laughed in a long time. In addition, when I spoke with Tina over the phone last year, she sounded as cranky as ever, and not the blithe spirit pictured as a Happening People.

6. Tina was a residential patient in a Gresham, Oregon health care facility in 1979, and presumably up until the time her sister and brother-in-law took her to the convent in the spring of 1980. She was not being treated for "ideological" reasons, I presume, unless you know something that I don't, Georger, about this subject.
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« Reply #1103 on: March 01, 2016, 11:56:41 PM »
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... If you can believe the Smith ideology, Mucklow became an emotional basket case, unreliable, and a virtual hermit evading the public while we know Schaffner got married and was having a solid social-emotional self-supporting life...

Ah, let the Muckow-Schaffner revisionism begin.

My "ideology" is based upon what authors, FBI agents, and Bill Rataczak told me about Tina's mental status.

1. Calame and Rhodes wrote that Tina's memory was so impaired by the mid-1980s that she would never be called upon to be a witness in Norjak should the skyjacker ever be apprehended and brought to trial.

2. Rataczak told me that when he was working with Richard Tosaw on his book, Tosaw had told him that Tina's memory had been wiped clean "like a white board." He further told me that Tina's ex did not know her whereabouts, nor phone number, nor the last names and contact information for Tina's sister and husband - the Dormuths. So, this "ideology" issue goes a bit deeper than just my opinion of one flight attendant.

3. Along those lines, Calame and Rhodes write that Tina did not remember the clip-on tie when they spoke with her in the 1980s. This adds to the fact that the FBI agents on the evidence retrieval team in Reno - Campbell, Ricks, Stousland, et al. had no memory of the clip-on tie, either. That means that by the late 1980s, none of the five principals who presumably encountered the clip-on tie in Reno had any memory of that event.

4. As for Tina and her fragile "ideological" state, she did enter a cloistered convent in 1980 and stayed there for 12 years. Afterwards, she stayed hidden for the next 25 years until Jo Weber, Galen, GG, and I discovered her whereabouts in 2010 or so. 35 years of silence is a lot of "ideology," wouldn't you say, G?

5. Tina's public appearance on the pages of the Eugene Weekly in 2012 is bogus in my opinion. The gal pictured in the Happening People section of the EW does not look like the Tina Mucklow I met in July 2011, as she has gained at least 50 pounds and is laughing. The Tina I met does not look like a woman who has laughed in a long time. In addition, when I spoke with Tina over the phone last year, she sounded as cranky as ever, and not the blithe spirit pictured as a Happening People.

6. Tina was a residential patient in a Gresham, Oregon health care facility in 1979, and presumably up until the time her sister and brother-in-law took her to the convent in the spring of 1980. She was not being treated for "ideological" reasons, I presume, unless you know something that I don't, Georger, about this subject.

So, let me amend my stance - after reading yours above.

What have you got against Tina Mucklow? She wouldn't play ball with you? What's your "grudge" against Tina Mucklow? What's your grudge against authority and the DB Cooper case? Americans (all 1 of em) wanna know!  ;)

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« Reply #1104 on: March 02, 2016, 02:12:06 AM »
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What's your "grudge" against Tina Mucklow?

I don't have a grudge against Tina Mucklow, Georger, I just have a grudge against your innuendos and half-answers.
 

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« Reply #1105 on: March 02, 2016, 02:31:47 AM »
As for "authority," I also have a grudge against the abuse of power.

Hence, much of my writing takes the feet of the Big Boys and puts their tootsies to the hottest fire I can find.

Abuses of power by the FBI in Norjak include, in my opinion, but are not limited to:

1. Losing critical evidence, and then not looking for it.
2. Not maintaining proper documentation.
3. Not maintaining the chain of custody with evidence they do have.
4. Inability to establish a legitimate flight path
5. Not being able to give consistent accounts of the money find
6. Denial of equal access to journalists
7. Refusal to attend professional Cooper gatherings and share information
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« Reply #1106 on: March 03, 2016, 12:58:03 PM »
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As for "authority," I also have a grudge against the abuse of power.

Hence, much of my writing takes the feet of the Big Boys and puts their tootsies to the hottest fire I can find.

Abuses of power by the FBI in Norjak include, in my opinion, but are not limited to:

1. Losing critical evidence, and then not looking for it.
2. Not maintaining proper documentation.
3. Not maintaining the chain of custody with evidence they do have.
4. Inability to establish a legitimate flight path
5. Not being able to give consistent accounts of the money find
6. Denial of equal access to journalists
7. Refusal to attend professional Cooper gatherings and share information

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« Reply #1107 on: March 04, 2016, 03:59:10 AM »
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... If you can believe the Smith ideology, Mucklow became an emotional basket case, unreliable, and a virtual hermit evading the public while we know Schaffner got married and was having a solid social-emotional self-supporting life...

Ah, let the Muckow-Schaffner revisionism begin.

My "ideology" is based upon what authors, FBI agents, and Bill Rataczak told me about Tina's mental status.

1. Calame and Rhodes wrote that Tina's memory was so impaired by the mid-1980s that she would never be called upon to be a witness in Norjak should the skyjacker ever be apprehended and brought to trial.

2. Rataczak told me that when he was working with Richard Tosaw on his book, Tosaw had told him that Tina's memory had been wiped clean "like a white board." He further told me that Tina's ex did not know her whereabouts, nor phone number, nor the last names and contact information for Tina's sister and husband - the Dormuths. So, this "ideology" issue goes a bit deeper than just my opinion of one flight attendant.

3. Along those lines, Calame and Rhodes write that Tina did not remember the clip-on tie when they spoke with her in the 1980s. This adds to the fact that the FBI agents on the evidence retrieval team in Reno - Campbell, Ricks, Stousland, et al. had no memory of the clip-on tie, either. That means that by the late 1980s, none of the five principals who presumably encountered the clip-on tie in Reno had any memory of that event.

4. As for Tina and her fragile "ideological" state, she did enter a cloistered convent in 1980 and stayed there for 12 years. Afterwards, she stayed hidden for the next 25 years until Jo Weber, Galen, GG, and I discovered her whereabouts in 2010 or so. 35 years of silence is a lot of "ideology," wouldn't you say, G?

5. Tina's public appearance on the pages of the Eugene Weekly in 2012 is bogus in my opinion. The gal pictured in the Happening People section of the EW does not look like the Tina Mucklow I met in July 2011, as she has gained at least 50 pounds and is laughing. The Tina I met does not look like a woman who has laughed in a long time. In addition, when I spoke with Tina over the phone last year, she sounded as cranky as ever, and not the blithe spirit pictured as a Happening People.

6. Tina was a residential patient in a Gresham, Oregon health care facility in 1979, and presumably up until the time her sister and brother-in-law took her to the convent in the spring of 1980. She was not being treated for "ideological" reasons, I presume, unless you know something that I don't, Georger, about this subject.

What I "know" Smith, is that you are lumping a lot of things together above; some related to Tina Mucklow and some not related to her.

Moreover given your and Cook and Gray's stalking of the woman over the years, any assessment you make is suspect right out of the chute. You and Cook and Gray have had a large personal investment in Mucklow, trying to glean information from her (if she had any to give) and in your personal interest in the woman for her personal story, which frankly I find very suspect and borderline perverse. You have been accused of stalking Ms Mucklow on several occasions and told to stay away from her or face legal sanctions.  So your stance has been biased by your personal relationship in this matter, which in turn affects any interpretation you make and you have pressed this matter for years like it was some personal mission you have to "expose" the real .... whatever! You have acted like Tina Mucklow "owes you something", personally! Like you have some God-given claim on her. The whole thing is preposterous on it's face.

There could be logical explanations for everything you cite above. You could be simply wrong in your conclusions.

Tina Mucklow was under no legal mandate, for example, to share anything with Agents Calame and Rhodes, and even less with Mr. Tosaw. Or even with Rataczak! Moreover, I doubt these anecdotes you are giving are the whole story. And nothing you cite adds up to or proves the "total silence" you claim in your narrative, including the "mindless silence" you claim Tina was (or is) experiencing! Your conclusions are not born out by your evidence.

Like Mr. Blevins, haven't you claimed to be some kind of 'trained psychologist'?  How can you pass judgement on a matter of this kind drawing sweeping conclusions without first having 'clinical evidence'?

This 'blank slate' you claim for Ms. Mucklow would require clinical evidence. Even you should know that!  :D

Not only do I believe your analysis of Ms. Mucklow is flawed, I believe you and others have been ignoring your own personal welfare in this matter.     
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« Reply #1108 on: March 04, 2016, 03:47:28 PM »
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... If you can believe the Smith ideology, Mucklow became an emotional basket case, unreliable, and a virtual hermit evading the public while we know Schaffner got married and was having a solid social-emotional self-supporting life...

Ah, let the Muckow-Schaffner revisionism begin.

My "ideology" is based upon what authors, FBI agents, and Bill Rataczak told me about Tina's mental status.

1. Calame and Rhodes wrote that Tina's memory was so impaired by the mid-1980s that she would never be called upon to be a witness in Norjak should the skyjacker ever be apprehended and brought to trial.

2. Rataczak told me that when he was working with Richard Tosaw on his book, Tosaw had told him that Tina's memory had been wiped clean "like a white board." He further told me that Tina's ex did not know her whereabouts, nor phone number, nor the last names and contact information for Tina's sister and husband - the Dormuths. So, this "ideology" issue goes a bit deeper than just my opinion of one flight attendant.

3. Along those lines, Calame and Rhodes write that Tina did not remember the clip-on tie when they spoke with her in the 1980s. This adds to the fact that the FBI agents on the evidence retrieval team in Reno - Campbell, Ricks, Stousland, et al. had no memory of the clip-on tie, either. That means that by the late 1980s, none of the five principals who presumably encountered the clip-on tie in Reno had any memory of that event.

4. As for Tina and her fragile "ideological" state, she did enter a cloistered convent in 1980 and stayed there for 12 years. Afterwards, she stayed hidden for the next 25 years until Jo Weber, Galen, GG, and I discovered her whereabouts in 2010 or so. 35 years of silence is a lot of "ideology," wouldn't you say, G?

5. Tina's public appearance on the pages of the Eugene Weekly in 2012 is bogus in my opinion. The gal pictured in the Happening People section of the EW does not look like the Tina Mucklow I met in July 2011, as she has gained at least 50 pounds and is laughing. The Tina I met does not look like a woman who has laughed in a long time. In addition, when I spoke with Tina over the phone last year, she sounded as cranky as ever, and not the blithe spirit pictured as a Happening People.

6. Tina was a residential patient in a Gresham, Oregon health care facility in 1979, and presumably up until the time her sister and brother-in-law took her to the convent in the spring of 1980. She was not being treated for "ideological" reasons, I presume, unless you know something that I don't, Georger, about this subject.

All of your above poses an even deeper question, which has profound implication:

If you, Cook, and Gray etal actually thought that Tina was a "blank slate wiped clean" due to having profound psychological issues, then why pursue her?

You have pursued her for years! Trying to capture photos of her etc. Trying to get to meet her and know her.
Why!?

Taking things in chronological order, it appears that you finally came to the conclusion and began advertising that she was a "blank slate", only after Tina and her family spurned you and told you to stay away. This makes your conclusion even more suspect.

But its a thread I have noticed in all of your work. You seek people out to interview them presumably to glean information nobody else has, only to turn around and impeach the very people you wanted help and information from! You claim the FBI botched the whole case, but the FBI consists of the same people you have named and tried to get interviews with. It's a kind of fatalism Ive noticed in all of your work as if there never can be a good outcome. I dont understand why you think persecuting people and asking the same people for information and help, is compatible? It sometimes appears that your work has mixed motives. You sometimes seem to be competing with the same people you are asking information from; especially if you are always going to draw negative conclusions and publish them anyway. You and other book writers seem to be claiming privileges that nobody else is entitled to!

And the problem is, it undermines your own work because it affects the veracity of your work. Then when you say things like "forensic science is moving in the direction of Remote Seeing" people are left rolling their eyes and are apt to dismiss your other claims too ?

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« Reply #1109 on: March 04, 2016, 06:24:28 PM »
Georger wrote about Bruce: "Then when you say things like "forensic science is moving in the direction of Remote Seeing" people are left rolling their eyes and are apt to dismiss your other claims too ?"

I like Bruce but we have never seen eye to eye on the paranormal and ESP stuff. If remote viewing worked, a "remote viewer" could look at earning reports of public companies before they were publicly released, trade (illegally) on that info and become wealthy fast.

Where are the remote viewers' Ferraris?

As my friend Sailshaw likes to say: Case Closed.  ;)

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