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« Reply #1065 on: February 26, 2016, 12:38:24 AM »
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So I can't prove that Cooper pulled of the stairs, but of he did, it would have solved a lot of problems and practically guaranteed that he landed alive. If DBC knew of the Thailand 727 jumps he might have figured it out.

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In the above video some of the jumpers have packs on a tether, but it appears they let those packs free to drop on the tether after the chute has deployed? Is that the standard practice?

I've never been a military paratrooper but my friend who served in the 82nd Airborne said he made many jumps in which a heavy carried load was lowered on a lanyard before landing. When the suspended load hits the ground it unloads the canopy causing a softer landing for the parachutist who lands without that weight.

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That technique makes sense. Where are the 'heavy loads on tether' held prior to letting the tether out; around the waste?

I doubt the Cooper money bag would have qualified as a 'heavy load'. There would have been no reason for him to have it on a tether ?

The loads are generally carried in front below the chest reserve container. Coopers loot wasn't heavy enough (only about 22 lbs) to justify using this lanyard technique.

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... still you have to give him credit for knowing how to tie things off. As we discussed many times, the weak link was his noose around the neck of the bag. That could have lost him the money right there ...

The probability that the money bag separated from Cooper during the jump is just about zero in my opinion.  If it did, then the airliner would have to have been flying several miles WEST of the Columbia River when that happened.  All of the "experts" (Blevins, Jo Weber, etc..) absolutely know that the airliner passed on the east side of Portland.

Cooper apparently habitually carried a pocket knife.  He didn't know he would need one when he boarded the airliner, but he would not have been able to cut the shroud lines without one since there was nothing on the airliner that he could use to cut those shroud lines.

Here's a guess.  Cooper was at least a part-time outdoorsman and maybe interested in hunting and fishing type activities.  He could have been a former Boy Scout and learned such things as knot tying, camping, etc..  Regardless, he undoubtedly knew that he had to do more than tie the money bag by its neck if he expected to keep it with him.  I think Tom Kaye measured 20+ feet of shroud lines missing and that would be sufficient to work up a "net" to restrain the money bag. 
 

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« Reply #1066 on: February 26, 2016, 02:51:51 AM »
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So I can't prove that Cooper pulled of the stairs, but of he did, it would have solved a lot of problems and practically guaranteed that he landed alive. If DBC knew of the Thailand 727 jumps he might have figured it out.

377

In the above video some of the jumpers have packs on a tether, but it appears they let those packs free to drop on the tether after the chute has deployed? Is that the standard practice?

I've never been a military paratrooper but my friend who served in the 82nd Airborne said he made many jumps in which a heavy carried load was lowered on a lanyard before landing. When the suspended load hits the ground it unloads the canopy causing a softer landing for the parachutist who lands without that weight.

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That technique makes sense. Where are the 'heavy loads on tether' held prior to letting the tether out; around the waste?

I doubt the Cooper money bag would have qualified as a 'heavy load'. There would have been no reason for him to have it on a tether ?

The loads are generally carried in front below the chest reserve container. Coopers loot wasn't heavy enough (only about 22 lbs) to justify using this lanyard technique.

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... still you have to give him credit for knowing how to tie things off. As we discussed many times, the weak link was his noose around the neck of the bag. That could have lost him the money right there ...

The probability that the money bag separated from Cooper during the jump is just about zero in my opinion.  If it did, then the airliner would have to have been flying several miles WEST of the Columbia River when that happened.  All of the "experts" (Blevins, Jo Weber, etc..) absolutely know that the airliner passed on the east side of Portland.

Cooper apparently habitually carried a pocket knife.  He didn't know he would need one when he boarded the airliner, but he would not have been able to cut the shroud lines without one since there was nothing on the airliner that he could use to cut those shroud lines.

Here's a guess.  Cooper was at least a part-time outdoorsman and maybe interested in hunting and fishing type activities.  He could have been a former Boy Scout and learned such things as knot tying, camping, etc..  Regardless, he undoubtedly knew that he had to do more than tie the money bag by its neck if he expected to keep it with him.  I think Tom Kaye measured 20+ feet of shroud lines missing and that would be sufficient to work up a "net" to restrain the money bag.

But Tina described him as tying line 'around the neck' of the bag, then around his waste. That was part of the basis for her saying (when she got into the cockpit), 'I think he's going to jump soon'. Tina did not describe him fabricating a "net" to hold the money bag secure.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1067 on: February 26, 2016, 03:38:36 AM »
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...I think Tom Kaye measured 20+ feet of shroud lines missing and that would be sufficient to work up a "net" to restrain the money bag.

There is considerable controversy surrounding how much cord was cut by Cooper. Carol Abracadabra told me/wrote on the CS website that the FBI documents on the subject were not consistent. One docu said two lines were cut; another said three. However, when the CS inspected the parachute five lines were missing. Each lines was approximately 15 feet long. Hence, Cooper had a minimum of 30 feet of cord, possibly 45, and maybe as much as 80 feet.

As I have written in my book, we have to consider where all of Cooper's gear went - the reserve chute, the briefcase and bomb, and the moneybag/Cooper and his chute. Was it all tied together into one Big Bundle (Uno Bundola Grande) and either retrieved or lost together? Or did everything leave Flight 305 separately, and we have the uncanny situation of multiple bundles getting themselves lost Gawd-Knows-Where for over 40 years?
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1068 on: February 26, 2016, 03:47:57 AM »
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...Cooper apparently habitually carried a pocket knife.  He didn't know he would need one when he boarded the airliner, but he would not have been able to cut the shroud lines without one since there was nothing on the airliner that he could use to cut those shroud lines.

Here's a guess.  Cooper was at least a part-time outdoorsman and maybe interested in hunting and fishing type activities.  He could have been a former Boy Scout and learned such things as knot tying, camping, etc... 

Makes for an interesting survey, Robert!

Does the presence of a knife suggest DB Cooper was:

1. A former Boy Scout?
2. Part-time outdoorsman?
3. Full-time outdoorsman and part-time skyjacker?
4. A SOG trooper on a sabbatical?
5. Navy Seal planning for retirement?
6. Delta Force gone rogue?
7. Straight Outta Compton and ready for anything?
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1069 on: February 26, 2016, 03:58:57 AM »
What kind of knife would you bring to a skyjacking?

1. Swiss Army Knife? - Be ready for any thing?
2. Ka-Bar? Bring something you're used to?
3. Schrade? Keep it American.
4. Buck? Make it Southern.
5. A BSA pocket knife, universal and reliable.
 

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« Reply #1070 on: February 26, 2016, 10:21:20 AM »
DB COOPER CASE ALMOST SOLVED AND WE CAN WATCH FOR AN ENDING SOON AND KNOW HOW IT ALL HAPPENED:  SO CASE CLOSED???

The latest method I considered on how to close the case was to check out the alibi of Sheridan Peterson, my best suspect.  My previous method was to compare (for a match) the DNA from under the stamps and envelope flaps of the four DB letters sent to the newspapers just after Norjak with the DNA the FBI has of Sheridan. The four letter solution however would require the FBI to look at the four letters they have and compare the DNA's, however. that would require them to work on the case and they seem to be on stop at this time.

So, that is why I thought about checking out Sheridan's phony alibi that he was in Nepal delivering one of his two children born in Nepal as was required by the Female Doctor of all men to do the deliveries them-selfs of their own children. The question to look into was what were the birth dates of his two children? Ahh, I then discovered the flaw in the phony alibi as the two were not even born in the same year as Norjak (1971). The son was born September 1970 and the daughter Ginger was born October 1972 per the public records from persopo.com and that is the flaw in the alibi. Possibly, Sheridan sent a birth certificate to the FBI with the birth date altered to match the Norjack date and the FBI failed to verify it using public records?

Anyway, why would Sheridan tell a lie to the FBI about his whereabouts and face possible jail time for a lie to the FBI (a Federal Crime)? There is only one answer:      "SHERIDAN IS D.B. COOPER"

I have just submitted this finding to the FBI Seattle Office (Ayn Dietrich) and she says she has passed it on the the Case Agent. So, the case is solved and we should be hearing something soon from the FBI. Or will they wait until Sheridan passes away from old age. The FBI could trade the jail time for lying in exchange for the rest of the DB Cooper story from Sheridan, and everyone would be happy.

CASE CLOSED?
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« Reply #1071 on: February 26, 2016, 12:20:14 PM »
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What kind of knife would you bring to a skyjacking?

1. Swiss Army Knife? - Be ready for any thing?
2. Ka-Bar? Bring something you're used to?
3. Schrade? Keep it American.
4. Buck? Make it Southern.
5. A BSA pocket knife, universal and reliable.

In this instance, it would have to be a pocket knife with a very sharp blade.  Those shroud lines are difficult to cut and there is no point in carrying a pocket knife with a dull blade in the first place.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1072 on: February 26, 2016, 01:27:32 PM »
Bruce asks: "What kind of knife would you bring to a skyjacking?

1. Swiss Army Knife? - Be ready for any thing?
2. Ka-Bar? Bring something you're used to?
3. Schrade? Keep it American.
4. Buck? Make it Southern.
5. A BSA pocket knife, universal and reliable.
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This would be my choice: PILOT CAMILLUS MC-1 PARACHUTE EMERGENCY SURVIVAL KNIFE

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The hook blade is custom designed for cutting shroud lines and works GREAT for that purpose. Cuts em like butter, far better actually than the civilian skydive hook knives that merely use a straight blade in a hook guide. I jump with a USAF surplus Camillus hook knife.

A smoke jumper or MAC SOG jumper would know how to rig the Seafirst money bag for a jump. Not a big deal if you have unlimited shroud line at your disposal.
A whuffo might easily underestimate the aerodynamic forces and do an inadequate rigging job.

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« Reply #1073 on: February 26, 2016, 01:41:53 PM »
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DB COOPER CASE ALMOST SOLVED AND WE CAN WATCH FOR AN ENDING SOON AND KNOW HOW IT ALL HAPPENED:  SO CASE CLOSED???

The latest method I considered on how to close the case was to check out the alibi of Sheridan Peterson, my best suspect.  My previous method was to compare (for a match) the DNA from under the stamps and envelope flaps of the four DB letters sent to the newspapers just after Norjak with the DNA the FBI has of Sheridan. The four letter solution however would require the FBI to look at the four letters they have and compare the DNA's, however. that would require them to work on the case and they seem to be on stop at this time.

So, that is why I thought about checking out Sheridan's phony alibi that he was in Nepal delivering one of his two children born in Nepal as was required by the Female Doctor of all men to do the deliveries them-selfs of their own children. The question to look into was what were the birth dates of his two children? Ahh, I then discovered the flaw in the phony alibi as the two were not even born in the same year as Norjak (1971). The son was born September 1970 and the daughter Ginger was born October 1972 per the public records from persopo.com and that is the flaw in the alibi. Possibly, Sheridan sent a birth certificate to the FBI with the birth date altered to match the Norjack date and the FBI failed to verify it using public records?

Anyway, why would Sheridan tell a lie to the FBI about his whereabouts and face possible jail time for a lie to the FBI (a Federal Crime)? There is only one answer:      "SHERIDAN IS D.B. COOPER"

I have just submitted this finding to the FBI Seattle Office (Ayn Dietrich) and she says she has passed it on the the Case Agent. So, the case is solved and we should be hearing something soon from the FBI. Or will they wait until Sheridan passes away from old age. The FBI could trade the jail time for lying in exchange for the rest of the DB Cooper story from Sheridan, and everyone would be happy.

CASE CLOSED?
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Unfortunately the FBI is "mind closed" not "case closed" on Sheridan Peterson. His DNA didn't match the sample that they are sure came from DBC, so SP is off their suspect list.
If that FBI sample is from the tie then I wonder if it might not be DBCs. If it came from or matches the cig butt DNA, then I think SP was justly eliminated from the suspect list.

I've always had my doubts that the cig buts were really lost. FBI evidence tagging, logging and preservation isn't that sloppy, even if their lab tests might have been. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they still have the butts.

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« Reply #1074 on: February 26, 2016, 01:57:46 PM »
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DB COOPER CASE ALMOST SOLVED AND WE CAN WATCH FOR AN ENDING SOON AND KNOW HOW IT ALL HAPPENED:  SO CASE CLOSED???

The latest method I considered on how to close the case was to check out the alibi of Sheridan Peterson, my best suspect.  My previous method was to compare (for a match) the DNA from under the stamps and envelope flaps of the four DB letters sent to the newspapers just after Norjak with the DNA the FBI has of Sheridan. The four letter solution however would require the FBI to look at the four letters they have and compare the DNA's, however. that would require them to work on the case and they seem to be on stop at this time.

So, that is why I thought about checking out Sheridan's phony alibi that he was in Nepal delivering one of his two children born in Nepal as was required by the Female Doctor of all men to do the deliveries them-selfs of their own children. The question to look into was what were the birth dates of his two children? Ahh, I then discovered the flaw in the phony alibi as the two were not even born in the same year as Norjak (1971). The son was born September 1970 and the daughter Ginger was born October 1972 per the public records from persopo.com and that is the flaw in the alibi. Possibly, Sheridan sent a birth certificate to the FBI with the birth date altered to match the Norjack date and the FBI failed to verify it using public records?

Anyway, why would Sheridan tell a lie to the FBI about his whereabouts and face possible jail time for a lie to the FBI (a Federal Crime)? There is only one answer:      "SHERIDAN IS D.B. COOPER"

I have just submitted this finding to the FBI Seattle Office (Ayn Dietrich) and she says she has passed it on the the Case Agent. So, the case is solved and we should be hearing something soon from the FBI. Or will they wait until Sheridan passes away from old age. The FBI could trade the jail time for lying in exchange for the rest of the DB Cooper story from Sheridan, and everyone would be happy.

CASE CLOSED?
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Unfortunately the FBI is "mind closed" not "case closed" on Sheridan Peterson. His DNA didn't match the sample that they are sure came from DBC, so SP is off their suspect list.
If that FBI sample is from the tie then I wonder if it might not be DBCs. If it came from or matches the cig butt DNA, then I think SP was justly eliminated from the suspect list.

I've always had my doubts that the cig buts were really lost. FBI evidence tagging, logging and preservation isn't that sloppy, even if their lab tests might have been. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they still have the butts.

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+1 completely - Larry said the same.  :) :)
 

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« Reply #1075 on: February 26, 2016, 02:39:43 PM »
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...I think Tom Kaye measured 20+ feet of shroud lines missing and that would be sufficient to work up a "net" to restrain the money bag.

There is considerable controversy surrounding how much cord was cut by Cooper. Carol Abracadabra told me/wrote on the CS website that the FBI documents on the subject were not consistent. One docu said two lines were cut; another said three. However, when the CS inspected the parachute five lines were missing. Each lines was approximately 15 feet long. Hence, Cooper had a minimum of 30 feet of cord, possibly 45, and maybe as much as 80 feet.

As I have written in my book, we have to consider where all of Cooper's gear went - the reserve chute, the briefcase and bomb, and the moneybag/Cooper and his chute. Was it all tied together into one Big Bundle (Uno Bundola Grande) and either retrieved or lost together? Or did everything leave Flight 305 separately, and we have the uncanny situation of multiple bundles getting themselves lost Gawd-Knows-Where for over 40 years?

Cooper's hijacking was a "minimalist" hijacking ... doing a lot with a little. I think that thread runs through Cooper's hijacking and separates him from other hijackers making Cooper unique. The power of suggestion vs overt force. He replied on a few critical judgements about people (chose Tina over Flo etc), and probably had some survivalist training assuming he would have to 'walk his way out' and 'hide' once on the ground. That is probably why he took the reserve, to use as a canopy and cover while traveling. He probably knew that the Columbia and Portland were south of where he jumped, if the FBI/AF/NWA location is correct. That seems to be the theory the FBI and searches were relying on when they did their early searching and sent up an SR-71 looking for campfires etc on the ground.

He probably covered as much ground on foot as fast as he could and his theory would work as long as he stayed away from populated areas. He may have found and followed a rail line going south. But, the viability of this theory changes the closer he gets to Vancouver-Portland, especially if he is following rail lines. That is destined to take him right into the hands of people also using the same resources and locations. That scenario could literally explain why Cooper and none of his gear was ever found, except for money bundles eventually found on the shoreline of the river.

I think Cooper was trying to get back to an urban environment where he could secure transportation without raising any attention and put distance between himself and the Northwest. His choice of the Northwest as a place for a hijacking may be unique, especially if he was of Latin extraction. His goal may have been exactly what he said, namely 'a beautiful place you would like' ... south of the US border. This also fits with the amount of money he asked for, $200,000. $200,000 in 1971 would have gone a long way south of the border. McCoy asked for $500,000, but his economic reference point is north of the border! This difference between what McCoy vs. Cooper asked for may solidify the fact they were different people with different life-references/experiences and expectations.

I think Flo's testimony that Cooper was of Latin extraction carries a lot of weight, and is the one clue in this case that has been largely overlooked, especially by the public. Tina has received the greater attention of the public. I am also quite sure Flo's testimony did not escape notice in Washington DC! It is Flo's testimony that creates an archetype that fits very closely other primary evidence in the Cooper case. The public, however, has always been more focused on Tina! Ironically, both Tina's and Flo's physical description of Cooper agree.

If Flo's testimony is correct, Cooper could not possibly be Sheridan Peterson! Cooper and Peterson are two totally different people, according to Flo's testimony!  :) And the same for Weber, Christiansen, etal.

I think the public has been lead to be so totally focused on Tina's personality and testimony, that Flo's testimony has been forgotten and dismissed as being an anomaly when in fact Flo's testimony may have been crucial in identifying who Cooper was, and was not.   
 
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« Reply #1076 on: February 26, 2016, 03:59:51 PM »
Okay. DB Cooper was a Latin guy who speaks English with no discernible accent. So, who is he and where does he come from?

Further, how Latin? Flo says "Definitely, yes," but if he was really Latin-looking, then why didn't Tina describe him similarly? Or Alice? Or the tix agent? Or Bill Mitchell?

Does the sketch she drew in 1980 for the TV crew really look all that "Latin" to you? Not me. And exactly what does "Latin" look like? Antonio Banderas?  Bartolo Colon? Pele? Pope Francis? A-Rod? The "Blancas" I met in Puerto Rico were as white as me. But they spoke really great Spanish, since that was their native tongue.

I'm not saying DB Cooper wasn't Hispanic, I'm just focusing on the inconsistencies. I like inconsistencies. They intrigue me.
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« Reply #1077 on: February 26, 2016, 04:14:05 PM »
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Bruce asks: "What kind of knife would you bring to a skyjacking?

1. Swiss Army Knife? - Be ready for any thing?
2. Ka-Bar? Bring something you're used to?
3. Schrade? Keep it American.
4. Buck? Make it Southern.
5. A BSA pocket knife, universal and reliable.
"

This would be my choice: PILOT CAMILLUS MC-1 PARACHUTE EMERGENCY SURVIVAL KNIFE

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The hook blade is custom designed for cutting shroud lines and works GREAT for that purpose. Cuts em like butter, far better actually than the civilian skydive hook knives that merely use a straight blade in a hook guide. I jump with a USAF surplus Camillus hook knife.

A smoke jumper or MAC SOG jumper would know how to rig the Seafirst money bag for a jump. Not a big deal if you have unlimited shroud line at your disposal.
A whuffo might easily underestimate the aerodynamic forces and do an inadequate rigging job.

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Ah, a hooked blade, ideal for cutting shroud lines. I love it. A true Boy Scout - always prepared....

Camillus gets my vote.
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« Reply #1078 on: February 26, 2016, 04:19:59 PM »
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...I think Flo's testimony that Cooper was of Latin extraction carries a lot of weight, and is the one clue in this case that has been largely overlooked, especially by the public...


Okay. So, why do you think she told Geoffrey, allegedly, that Kenny C was the closest looking suspect to any of the pix she had seen? Was Kenny her kind of "Latin?"
 

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« Reply #1079 on: February 26, 2016, 05:43:25 PM »
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...I think Flo's testimony that Cooper was of Latin extraction carries a lot of weight, and is the one clue in this case that has been largely overlooked, especially by the public...


Okay. So, why do you think she told Geoffrey, allegedly, that Kenny C was the closest looking suspect to any of the pix she had seen? Was Kenny her kind of "Latin?"

It is predictable you would respond, of course.  :)

Because people like you and Gray etc pressured Flo into a social situation she never would have participated in  otherwise. In other words Smith:  CUT THE CRAP! No matter what objections-exceptions you try to inject into this, Flo's FBI testimony stands on its own and was given at a time when it mattered You have been a large Tina promoter/stalker for years because its convenient opportunity you have seized, while dismissing Flo because I think Flo is far less inviting and you prefer compliant people you can manipulate ...

From the little we know about the crew member's actual testimony over time, Flo and Tina agreed on the physical description of Cooper, but from there their testimony diverged. Except for "midwestern no accent" Tina really did not guess at who or what Cooper was, while Flo stated her opinion for the record.

You have pursued Mucklow while deprecating Schaffner and the basis for your journalistic mumbo-jumbo is highly questionable. It probably says more about your personal makeup looking for a easy free meals than it has anything to do with the facts of the Cooper case including the realities of Mucklow and Schaffner and Cooper as real living people you claim to know and understand.  ;) ;)

 

 

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