Bruce says:    "Sail, you've said a couple of times that the tie had two forms of titanium.  I thought it had been resolved by Tom Kaye that there was only one, pure Ti, which you said was used at Boeing as paint in the finish of the SST wings."

Sail says:    "The only thing Tom Kaye did was to make a wild and very bad guess that Boeing only used alloy titanium and the pure titanium found on the tie ruled out Boeing...."


Bruce responds:
Sail, your perspective on Tom's findings are in complete opposition to what I heard from Tom at the Portland Symposium in 2011.  Then, Tom specifically said that the titanium the CS found on the tie was  pure Ti, and that the public announcement that the tie contained titanium alloy was presented exclusively by Geoffrey and was wholly in error.

Further, Tom told me that how this happened was that the early test indications from the CS found spectrographic evidence that could have been Ti alloy, and Geoffrey "jumped the gun" with his announcement.  However, Tom told me that these false indications were most likely due to chlorine and sulfur residues left on the tie by match-cigarette particles.  The CS later proved definitively that the Ti shards were pure Ti, but the alloy angle stayed in the Cooper lore thanks to Geoffrey.

I think that's correct. Geoff made several other errors, jumping the gun. He stated there were 'two types of silver in/on the money'. There was only one type related to silver nitrate testing (for finger prints) the FBI did.

Georger
Bruce says: "Further, Tom told me that how this happened was that the early test indications from the CS found spectrographic evidence that could have been Ti alloy, and Geoffrey "jumped the gun" with his announcement.  However, Tom told me that these false indications were most likely due to chlorine and sulfur residues left on the tie by match-cigarette particles.  The CS later proved definitively that the Ti shards were pure Ti, but the alloy angle stayed in the Cooper lore thanks to Geoffrey."

I say:  "When I talked with Tom Kaye at the Burke Museum there was no question that Tom was telling me that they had found both Titanium alloy and pure Titanium fragments on the tie (along with a curlycue of aluminum). Also he said that he had ruled out Boeing because he did not think Boeing was using pure Titanium and the SST was made only of alloy Titanium. When I told Tom about the use of pure Titanium at Boeing, he blew that away and did not want to talk further about it (he was obviously embarrassed). I don't know why everyone is so intent about not excepting the information I am fully knowledgable about. It dose not matter what Geoffery thought, my knowledge is totally independent of him."

Bob Sailshaw
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Okay, Sail, if Tom Kaye told you directly that the tie had two forms of titanium on it - pure and alloy - I accept that.

I had originally assumed you were suffering from an episode of Cooper Vortex memory confusion.

As for what was actually on the tie, oh well.  One, two or three forms of Ti?  Gawd Almighty.  Norjak is a trip and a half.

What do you really make of it, Georger?  Pure, alloy and splatter?  What does Tom say?  This is really out of my league until I become an expert in metallurgy.

Those are pretty powerful allegations. I've seen Jerry in the past saying most of this on DZ (years back) how can we verify something like this?

she has admitted to this story. she also was taken by McCoy's house as well by Duane.

I'm not really comfortable with challenging Jo's story in this forum, when she is not allowed on here to defend herself.

Her story, as I recall it, is Jo knew who DB Cooper was.  She didn't know who Dan Coooooooper was.

Shut, I appreciate your concerns and I acknowledge Mark's discomfort, but it leaves us hanging.  How do we discuss the featured confession of the 922 emanating from the Cooper Vortex? Duane, "no 'w' and no 'y'" Weber is written about extensively.  Do we avoid him because his widow has a penchant for character-assassination and lengthy missives that obfuscate the discussion, causing her to be unwelcome here while several of us here are banned from the DZ for our reactive animosities?

The only confession that I'm aware of that seems to be presented in a fair and legitimate fashion is the Barb Dayton confession as described by Ron and Pat Forman.  All the others seem bogus and driven by a hunger for fame and glory, such as KC, DW, LD, etc.  I also doubt Wolfgang Gossett's family group confession because Wolfie is such a flamboyant showman and tall-tale-teller. Yes, Galen is no slouch investigator and the FBI has yet to rule out the wolfman, but....

...the whirlwinds of confessional discourse continue. Why so many?  Is there anything to be learned in their analysis? What does it say about the person who receives the confession?

I agree, name calling and provocative attributes, such as "nutcase," are excessive in my opinion, but fair commentary on the obvious is acceptable to me.

Further, I posted my note on Jerry Thomas because I was impressed by his heretofore unprecedented, in my experience, characterization of Jo's claims, and the fact that he said he had interviewed the nurse who heard Duane's comments about DB Cooper, which directly dispute Jo's claim of receiving a personal confession to the skyjacking.

As for not giving Jo a fair chance to tell her side of the story, well, that's just the way it is, just as I have to suck up her strident calls at the DZ to have me tortured and sexually mutilated.

Speaking of which, I drove past the Auburn, WA police department HQ the other day on my way home from a Gastro doc medical appointment.  I thought I'd stop in and see if my pix was posted anywhere, but I decided to skip it. Besides, what's the worst that could happen? - I'd get free meals for a few weeks, courtesy of the good people of Auburn?  That could be Chapter 27!