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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1035 on: February 22, 2016, 04:21:17 PM »
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Bruce:   I think DB/Sheridan had seen the dummy chute before at Issaquah Skydiving where he took the Boeing Skydiving club and took the dummy to use as a way to get down from any trees he was stuck up in. He learned how to do that as a smoke jumper for the USFS. He knew what he was doing but the hole in his alibi that he was delivering one of his two children as the female Doctor believed that all husbands should deliver their own children. The hole is that not one of his children were born anywhere close to the Nov 24th 1971 Norjak date
Ginger Lucena Peterson was born October 1972 and Sheridan Ramon Peterson was born September 1970 and both in Nepal. DB must have shown the FBI a fake birth certificate with a birth date very close to Norjak's date. Per persopo.com.

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Sheridan is a ready-made career for anyone promoting him as DB Cooper. The future looks good! Sheridan will die just as Duane Weber died, leaving his promotion wide open clear into eternity@! It's a bottomless well of opportunity.  :) ;)   
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1036 on: February 22, 2016, 06:35:59 PM »
I agree that the bogus reserve might have been used as a means to descend from a tree top. I'd like to her more about that from guys who have actually had to repel themselves down from a snag.

As for Petey in Nepal, I'd love to know more about his time there. When did he get there; when did he leave? Any records, documentations on those comings and goings? Family accounts? I think we have a lot of work ahead of us in the Petey department.
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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1037 on: February 22, 2016, 11:32:13 PM »
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I agree that the bogus reserve might have been used as a means to descend from a tree top. I'd like to her more about that from guys who have actually had to repel themselves down from a snag.

As for Petey in Nepal, I'd love to know more about his time there. When did he get there; when did he leave? Any records, documentations on those comings and goings? Family accounts? I think we have a lot of work ahead of us in the Petey department.

Let's go places!   :)
 

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« Reply #1038 on: February 23, 2016, 12:12:44 AM »
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I agree that the bogus reserve might have been used as a means to descend from a tree top. I'd like to her more about that from guys who have actually had to repel themselves down from a snag.


The good reserve would have been even better.  If Cooper had figured out a way to attach it to the back pack harness, he would have had two good chutes.

And he would have had more shroud lines and canopy material to use getting out of a tree than with the bogus reserve.

Under the conditions that existed when Cooper jumped, I think he would have had a better chance of surviving if he left both reserve chutes in the airliner and used only one back pack chute.  The money bag would then have been his only impediment and perhaps he could have found the rip cord more easily in the darkness while free falling.

 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1039 on: February 23, 2016, 11:40:40 AM »
Robert99:   DB might have backed down the Aft Airstair and then pulled the rip cord and let the chute pull him off the stairs rather than doing a free fall and then opening at a lower altitude. That is how cargo chutes open with no free fall. The early opening might have made the shock of opening less and given him more time floating down to earth. Sheridan/DB with his USFS Smoke Jumping experience could have taken the dummy front chute to just help in lowering from a tree if needed. Remember how all the copy cats that followed DB had little problem in making the jump and all survived. Also. when Sheridan dies of old age he will leave behind his book that tells of his "grudge" and his "revenge". Or maybe Oliver Stone will make a movie of it as he has a copy of the book per Sheridan. Remember, Sheridan was an English major and they always dream of writing the "Great American Novel" and "The Idot's Frightfull Laughter" might be the one Sheridan leaves behind.
 
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« Reply #1040 on: February 23, 2016, 12:42:28 PM »
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Robert99:   DB might have backed down the Aft Airstair and then pulled the rip cord and let the chute pull him off the stairs rather than doing a free fall and then opening at a lower altitude. That is how cargo chutes open with no free fall. The early opening might have made the shock of opening less and given him more time floating down to earth. Sheridan/DB with his USFS Smoke Jumping experience could have taken the dummy front chute to just help in lowering from a tree if needed. Remember how all the copy cats that followed DB had little problem in making the jump and all survived. Also. when Sheridan dies of old age he will leave behind his book that tells of his "grudge" and his "revenge". Or maybe Oliver Stone will make a movie of it as he has a copy of the book per Sheridan. Remember, Sheridan was an English major and they always dream of writing the "Great American Novel" and "The Idot's Frightfull Laughter" might be the one Sheridan leaves behind.
 
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If Cooper had pulled the rip cord while standing at the bottom of the stairs, he would have gotten the worst opening shock possible since the airliner was doing about 225 MPH at that point.

If he had done a head first free fall, he would have stabilized at about 180 MPH or less and that would have greatly reduced the opening shock.

All of the Cooper copy cats may have survived but there is no reason to believe that Cooper did, and some very valid reasons for believing that he didn't.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1041 on: February 23, 2016, 02:38:54 PM »
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Robert99:   DB might have backed down the Aft Airstair and then pulled the rip cord and let the chute pull him off the stairs rather than doing a free fall and then opening at a lower altitude. That is how cargo chutes open with no free fall. The early opening might have made the shock of opening less and given him more time floating down to earth. Sheridan/DB with his USFS Smoke Jumping experience could have taken the dummy front chute to just help in lowering from a tree if needed. Remember how all the copy cats that followed DB had little problem in making the jump and all survived. Also. when Sheridan dies of old age he will leave behind his book that tells of his "grudge" and his "revenge". Or maybe Oliver Stone will make a movie of it as he has a copy of the book per Sheridan. Remember, Sheridan was an English major and they always dream of writing the "Great American Novel" and "The Idot's Frightfull Laughter" might be the one Sheridan leaves behind.
 
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If Cooper had pulled the rip cord while standing at the bottom of the stairs, he would have gotten the worst opening shock possible since the airliner was doing about 225 MPH at that point.

If he had done a head first free fall, he would have stabilized at about 180 MPH or less and that would have greatly reduced the opening shock.

All of the Cooper copy cats may have survived but there is no reason to believe that Cooper did, and some very valid reasons for believing that he didn't.

... and no actual data on it one way or the other, unless you take 'nothing ever found' and 'the money at Tena Bar' ... as data points ?

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1042 on: February 23, 2016, 02:53:55 PM »
Robert99  For such a negative guy I don't know why I am answering your comments as YOU JUST DON'T KNOW and are not willing to look at anything else. I hope 377 can say something about opening the chute at the bottom of the stairs and in the slip stream and not into the full speed of the aircraft. Certainly DB would be in the faster air but moving with it some from the acceleration in the slipstream air. Good question from the real experts that are skydivers. Also, Sheridan is still alive and his false alibi shows he is DB Cooper or why else would he have a false alibi?

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1043 on: February 23, 2016, 03:13:56 PM »
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Robert99:   DB might have backed down the Aft Airstair and then pulled the rip cord and let the chute pull him off the stairs rather than doing a free fall and then opening at a lower altitude. That is how cargo chutes open with no free fall. The early opening might have made the shock of opening less and given him more time floating down to earth. Sheridan/DB with his USFS Smoke Jumping experience could have taken the dummy front chute to just help in lowering from a tree if needed. Remember how all the copy cats that followed DB had little problem in making the jump and all survived. Also. when Sheridan dies of old age he will leave behind his book that tells of his "grudge" and his "revenge". Or maybe Oliver Stone will make a movie of it as he has a copy of the book per Sheridan. Remember, Sheridan was an English major and they always dream of writing the "Great American Novel" and "The Idot's Frightfull Laughter" might be the one Sheridan leaves behind.
 
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If Cooper had pulled the rip cord while standing at the bottom of the stairs, he would have gotten the worst opening shock possible since the airliner was doing about 225 MPH at that point.

If he had done a head first free fall, he would have stabilized at about 180 MPH or less and that would have greatly reduced the opening shock.

All of the Cooper copy cats may have survived but there is no reason to believe that Cooper did, and some very valid reasons for believing that he didn't.

... and no actual data on it one way or the other, unless you take 'nothing ever found' and 'the money at Tena Bar' ... as data points ?

I can't accept the "nothing ever found" as a data point.  But I definitely accept the "money at Tina Bar" and the location where the placard from the stairs was found as data points.

Two data points may not be much to go on, but there is no reason to throw up your hands and quit.  Since the FBI and FAA are going to sit on the complete transcripts from the Seattle ATC covering the flight south while in the Seattle ATC area, I may yet give it a shot to see just how far one can go in this matter with only two data points.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1044 on: February 23, 2016, 03:40:13 PM »
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Robert99  For such a negative guy I don't know why I am answering your comments as YOU JUST DON'T KNOW and are not willing to look at anything else. I hope 377 can say something about opening the chute at the bottom of the stairs and in the slip stream and not into the full speed of the aircraft. Certainly DB would be in the faster air but moving with it some from the acceleration in the slipstream air. Good question from the real experts that are skydivers. Also, Sheridan is still alive and his false alibi shows he is DB Cooper or why else would he have a false alibi?

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Mr. "Sailoshaw", or whatever you claim your name is now, here are the facts of life for you.

The air in the slipstream is much higher velocity than the ambient air (the air a few hundred feet from the aircraft), so the opening shock in the slipstream would be much greater than if Cooper was in the ambient air in a free fall.

It is the speed of the ambient air, and/or slipstream, with respect to Cooper standing on the stairs that is important.  Were you ever exposed to the wit and wisdom of Isaac Newton during your training to be an electrical engineer?

Finally, I remember where I was during the Cooper hijacking (also on an airliner but east of the Mississippi River) and my still being alive doesn't mean anything with respect to the Cooper hijacking. 
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1045 on: February 23, 2016, 03:47:55 PM »
According to Kaye, the tie found on Cooper's seat was worn frequently by someone who worked in an environment where they could pick up certain particles, including the titanium. If Sheridan is Cooper, than we should be able to find photos of him wearing the tie (or at least, as similar as can be implied with old B&W photos).
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1046 on: February 23, 2016, 04:28:49 PM »
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...If Cooper had pulled the rip cord while standing at the bottom of the stairs, he would have gotten the worst opening shock possible since the airliner was doing about 225 MPH at that point....

R99, I believe the aircraft was traveling around 180 mph when Cooper left the plane. Remember, this would have been after Rataczak had increased the flaps to 30 degrees, which was prior to Cooper descending the stairs.
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« Reply #1047 on: February 23, 2016, 04:40:05 PM »
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...If Cooper had pulled the rip cord while standing at the bottom of the stairs, he would have gotten the worst opening shock possible since the airliner was doing about 225 MPH at that point....

R99, I believe the aircraft was traveling around 180 mph when Cooper left the plane. Remember, this would have been after Rataczak had increased the flaps to 30 degrees, which was prior to Cooper descending the stairs.

At the time Cooper jumped, the airliner was in level flight at 10,000 feet above sea level.  The speed shown on the aircraft airspeed indicator is known.  And correcting that airspeed to True Airspeed (the aircraft's speed with respect to the ambient air) gives a value of 225 Miles Per Hour (or very close to it).
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1048 on: February 23, 2016, 05:39:58 PM »
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...If Cooper had pulled the rip cord while standing at the bottom of the stairs, he would have gotten the worst opening shock possible since the airliner was doing about 225 MPH at that point....

R99, I believe the aircraft was traveling around 180 mph when Cooper left the plane. Remember, this would have been after Rataczak had increased the flaps to 30 degrees, which was prior to Cooper descending the stairs.


The flaps were set at 30 degree's early in the flight. not long after that they went back to 15 degree's. this was before they reached Toledo.
 

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Re: Suspects And Confessions
« Reply #1049 on: February 23, 2016, 06:29:11 PM »
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...If Cooper had pulled the rip cord while standing at the bottom of the stairs, he would have gotten the worst opening shock possible since the airliner was doing about 225 MPH at that point....

R99, I believe the aircraft was traveling around 180 mph when Cooper left the plane. Remember, this would have been after Rataczak had increased the flaps to 30 degrees, which was prior to Cooper descending the stairs.

At the time Cooper jumped, the airliner was in level flight at 10,000 feet above sea level.  The speed shown on the aircraft airspeed indicator is known.  And correcting that airspeed to True Airspeed (the aircraft's speed with respect to the ambient air) gives a value of 225 Miles Per Hour (or very close to it).

225 mph is a very high exit speed. I did at test jump from a firewalled C-130A. Rough, but not even close to deadly. I'd estimate the speed was around 320 mph plus. The A wasn't as fast as subsequent models with more powerful engines.

If DBC pulled off the stairs with a C-9 canopy, even if the speed was 225 mph,  I'd bet big odds that the canopy deployed without significant damage and delivered a live uninjured jumper to terra firma, (or hydro infirma if his luck was bad).

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