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God forbid he would actually look into something....he says we are paranoid?

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[Shutter]

I just don't share the hatred of Blevins. The venom magnet just doesn't pull me.

All I'm guilty of is banning him from here, and finding some truth out about his case. this "hatred" thing is ridiculous. I can't speak for others, but I don't "hate" Mr. Blevins. I do believe is has a serious problem with rejection. I have distance myself from getting involved with him for some time now, but that doesn't seem to stop his constant whining.

The core of this is basically between Georger, and Robert. it's been that way since 2010. it has grown over the years with the moves I made. they are permanent, and will never be changed. I never set out to do anything other than research the case. some people just don't work well with others, so I decided to start a new avenue minus those I thought were the core of the problem.

The thread has had very, very little problems (member wise) and has functioned as a group the way it should function! I have to do what is best for this forum. I believe I've done a pretty good job if you ask me. I'll admit I've acted foolish in the past, but I've learned. that's something the others haven't done! I continue to get PM's of his behavior, so it's not likely to change over there. spiteful, vindictive behavior only goes so far. people get tired of all the drama. that lesson was learned on the DZ. but it continues on his forum. even when no active members are present.

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[Bruce A. Smith]

I'm re-editing my book on Cooper for a hard-copy edition, and after following this discussion I've decided to add a bit to what I've already included on the flight path.

Here's my addition. Is it a fair representation of what we're discussing here?

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Flight Simulation

Adding more fuel to the fires of flight path controversy, Dave Brown at the DB Cooper Forum has established a flight simulation for 305 through the disputed areas between the “Malay Intersection” near Castle Rock, WA and Portland, Oregon.    

According to the flight path maps provided by the FBI and featured on their DB Cooper website, and presented as fact at the Washington State Historical Museum's exhibition on DB Cooper in 2013, the flight times between check-points do not jive.  305 would have had to double its speed, and then greatly reduce it, to match the time marks the FBI has indicated on the  maps.

Is this simply a transcription error? Or is it a tell-tale sign of something else at work, such as obscuring where 305 actually was flying at the times presented?

At the very least, it indicates the flight data from the FBI is not accurate.

In addition, these accelerations occurred as 305 allegedly performed sharp turns to the left and right.

The FBI has not explained these discrepancies.

[Shutter]

Ok, hold up a second....time out, off sides, illegal motion 

I'm about 95% sure so far about the timing. I'm not ready to state things a s fact just yet. the area in question is not in Castle Rock. the area in question is from Battleground down to the Columbia river, and possibly, the area above BTG. to Lake Merwin area.

We have 7 plots on the map. this states the plane flew through this area in 7 minutes. I'm not getting that time frame, so I plotted out the course by nautical miles and found error's.

[Robert99]

I'm re-editing my book on Cooper for a hard-copy edition, and after following this discussion I've decided to add a bit to what I've already included on the flight path.

Here's my addition. Is it a fair representation of what we're discussing here?

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Flight Simulation

Adding more fuel to the fires of flight path controversy, Dave Brown at the DB Cooper Forum has established a flight simulation for 305 through the disputed areas between the “Malay Intersection” near Castle Rock, WA and Portland, Oregon.    

According to the flight path maps provided by the FBI and featured on their DB Cooper website, and presented as fact at the Washington State Historical Museum's exhibition on DB Cooper in 2013, the flight times between check-points do not jive.  305 would have had to double its speed, and then greatly reduce it, to match the time marks the FBI has indicated on the  maps.

Is this simply a transcription error? Or is it a tell-tale sign of something else at work, such as obscuring where 305 actually was flying at the times presented?

At the very least, it indicates the flight data from the FBI is not accurate.

In addition, these accelerations occurred as 305 allegedly performed sharp turns to the left and right.

The FBI has not explained these discrepancies.

Bruce, I think you have made a reasonable assessment of the situation.

[Bruce A. Smith]

I'll refigure the commentary, Dave.

Perhaps I'll says something along the lines of:

The general thinking at the DB Cooper forum is that there are serious inconsistencies regarding the times and placement of the aircraft within the flight path. It appears that for Flight 305 to be where it was plotted on flight path maps provided by the FBI, it could not be there at the times indicated if 305 was flying consistently at 200 mph. At times, it appears that 305 would have had to double its speed, and at others, greatly reduce it.

In addition, Flight 305 seemed to have flown at sharp angles in a zig-zag pattern through the area where Cooper is thought to have exited the aircraft, giving greater concern to its speed and location. As a result, researchers question whether Flight 305 was actually where the FBI says it was.

Hence, these discrepancies suggest that the FBI flight path map was fudged to obscure where 305 was when DB Cooper jumped.

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My only concern is making sure things are correct. it's still being tested so that's why I'm not ready to put my name on anything. I appreciate the attention it appears to be getting. I just want to make sure of some things....

[Robert99]

I'll refigure the commentary, Dave.

Perhaps I'll says something along the lines of:

The general thinking at the DB Cooper forum is that there are serious inconsistencies regarding the times and placement of the aircraft within the flight path. It appears that for Flight 305 to be where it was plotted on flight path maps provided by the FBI, it could not be there at the times indicated if 305 was flying consistently at 200 mph. At times, it appears that 305 would have had to double its speed, and at others, greatly reduce it.

In addition, Flight 305 seemed to have flown at sharp angles in a zig-zag pattern through the area where Cooper is thought to have exited the aircraft, giving greater concern to its speed and location. As a result, researchers question whether Flight 305 was actually where the FBI says it was.

Hence, these discrepancies suggest that the FBI flight path map was fudged to obscure where 305 was when DB Cooper jumped.

Bruce, There are many inconsistencies in your own statements above.

Where does the 200 MPH come from?  Where is actual evidence that the airliner was flying a ziz-zag pattern?  Where are you suggesting that Cooper jumped?   Etc., etc., etc..

The story of the so-called "FBI Map" apparently originated when Carr posted it to DZ and asked if anyone knew where it came from?  Himmelsback reportedly stated that he had never seen that map.  So the history of that map is uncertain.

It is certain that none of the flight paths and times shown on the "FBI Map" are believable.  I wrote a number of posts about that in 2009 and they may still be on Sluggo's web page.

I do not know of anyone, except yourself, who claims that the FBI did a cover up on Cooper.  If they wanted to cover up the flight path and Cooper's probable jump area, then the "FBI Map" is not the way to go.

A better way would be to simply delete all information from the radio transcripts that would show the flight path and the times at various points. Then no one could determine where the aircraft was at a given time.  Oddly enough, that appears to have happened.  Have I just contradicted myself?

 

[Bruce A. Smith]

My only concern is making sure things are correct. it's still being tested so that's why I'm not ready to put my name on anything. I appreciate the attention it appears to be getting. I just want to make sure of some things....

No wine before its time, Dave.

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Technically, the plane does zig zag below Lake Merwin. I don't understand why they would do this?

[Bruce A. Smith]

Bruce, There are many inconsistencies in your own statements above.

Where does the 200 MPH come from?  Where is actual evidence that the airliner was flying a ziz-zag pattern?  Where are you suggesting that Cooper jumped?   Etc., etc., etc..

The story of the so-called "FBI Map" apparently originated when Carr posted it to DZ and asked if anyone knew where it came from?  Himmelsback reportedly stated that he had never seen that map.  So the history of that map is uncertain.

It is certain that none of the flight paths and times shown on the "FBI Map" are believable.  I wrote a number of posts about that in 2009 and they may still be on Sluggo's web page.

I do not know of anyone, except yourself, who claims that the FBI did a cover up on Cooper.  If they wanted to cover up the flight path and Cooper's probable jump area, then the "FBI Map" is not the way to go.

A better way would be to simply delete all information from the radio transcripts that would show the flight path and the times at various points. Then no one could determine where the aircraft was at a given time.  Oddly enough, that appears to have happened.  Have I just contradicted myself?

Speaking of wine, Robert, I think it's time for some.  ahhhh...

Flight paths, cover-ups, Cabernet...all in a day's work, I say.

Yes, Robert, I may be the only one to suggest a cover-up in Norjak, but how would you describe the FBI's investigation? Incomplete? Compromised? Typical of a large governmental bureaucracy? I'm not arguing with you, just asking.

I find it helpful to adopt a perspective to help shape my research/investigation. It helps frame my questions and approach to the players. Generally in Norjak, I'm thinking cover-up, but I also know that embracing such a view can be a trap, blinding me to other truths and possibilities. Hence, I endeavor to be circumspect.

As a result, in my book I specifically say that I don't know if a cover-up is in play in Norjak. I only use the word "compromised."

But, I do savor the opportunity to call a spade a spade when I'm among friends.

[andrade1812]

Technically, the plane does zig zag below Lake Merwin. I don't understand why they would do this?

Rataczak, in his DVD talk, says he started drifting with the wind, which brought him east. As he was approaching PDX, he notices he wasn't keeping the plane on a straight course, and makes a correction. He probably started drifting because of all the commotion and conversation regarding the oscillations. This, of course, is an interpretive view based on the FBI map everyone seems to hate so much.

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Technically, the plane does zig zag below Lake Merwin. I don't understand why they would do this?

Rataczak, in his DVD talk, says he started drifting with the wind, which brought him east. As he was approaching PDX, he notices he wasn't keeping the plane on a straight course, and makes a correction. He probably started drifting because of all the commotion and conversation regarding the oscillations. This, of course, is an interpretive view based on the FBI map everyone seems to hate so much.

I have to make constant course corrections due to the wind.
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[georger]

Technically, the plane does zig zag below Lake Merwin. I don't understand why they would do this?

Rataczak, in his DVD talk, says he started drifting with the wind, which brought him east. As he was approaching PDX, he notices he wasn't keeping the plane on a straight course, and makes a correction. He probably started drifting because of all the commotion and conversation regarding the oscillations. This, of course, is an interpretive view based on the FBI map everyone seems to hate so much.

Cooper caught a break! While the AF people wanted to put a tracker in with the money and chaff in with the chutes ... it all got vetoed under the rubric of "cooperation" asked for by Nyrop. They literally gave Cooper a free ride! 

The possible fact of an active bomb limited people's options ... otherwise, ... 

[Robert99]

Technically, the plane does zig zag below Lake Merwin. I don't understand why they would do this?

Rataczak, in his DVD talk, says he started drifting with the wind, which brought him east. As he was approaching PDX, he notices he wasn't keeping the plane on a straight course, and makes a correction. He probably started drifting because of all the commotion and conversation regarding the oscillations. This, of course, is an interpretive view based on the FBI map everyone seems to hate so much.

"Drifting with the wind" is a meaningless phrase here.  Do you know what "crab angle" means?  It is the airliner's track on the ground that is important and once the cross wind component has been determined then just maintain the same heading and you will stay on the center of the airway or whatever other track you are trying to maintain.