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[georger]

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Here is pg 193. I dont see the word redactions on this page. Or any comment about redactions.

This isnt worth pursuing further. Bye.

Georger, did you happen to see the phrase "edited to exclude" in that document?

Sure. Just like your hallowed placard theory. It isnt what you say it is. Print it out Nicholson for everyone to read and evaluate. Now your task is to prove it says what you say it says.

KANE. EWE. REED ?

ps* Its laughable you take a one liner from some doc and twist it to say anything you want it to say. No Bobert! It does not say the earth was created on a tuesday at 3:14pm one Thursday afternoon somewhere near Cairo! Sheeeesh! Robert. You are a used car salesman.  This is sickening...

[nickyb233]

Yeah I think Goerger still thinks he’s trying to decipher a code here. If he thinks there’s a difference between redact and edit then peace out G… you obviously don’t have the comprehension to be of any help furthering the NORJAK investigation. It’s pretty clear there were redactions in the transcripts and my tapes should prove it in the coming weeks… we will continue to pursue this matter!

[georger]

Yeah I think Goerger still thinks he’s trying to decipher a code here. If he thinks there’s a difference between redact and edit then peace out G… you obviously don’t have the comprehension to be of any help furthering the NORJAK investigation. It’s pretty clear there were redactions in the transcripts and my tapes should prove it in the coming weeks… we will continue to pursue this matter!

Well Nickyb233, an ordinary 3rd grader could read this doc and tell you what it says and means.  Its not my fault you cant read English!

Its interesting that R99 has signed on before even hearing your tapes - he's deaf!

Let me simply note the date of the document you say says 'redactions/edits'. 11/30/71.  Are you suggesting the FBI redacted its just acquired copy of the ATC tapes the moment it got it clear back in November 1971?  Why? What's the rush? Why would it do that and for whom in November 1971 just after the hijacking? The ATC flight comms werent released to the public until the 2000s. (Through the Seattle Post Intelligencer, for one) Was the FBI just practicing the fine art of redacting ATC Transcripts for its own internal use clear back in 1 9 7 1 ?? Huh? Huh?

Oh well.  Just ignore any actual facts in the DB Cooper case, if they get in your way.   

[nickyb233]

Yeah I think Goerger still thinks he’s trying to decipher a code here. If he thinks there’s a difference between redact and edit then peace out G… you obviously don’t have the comprehension to be of any help furthering the NORJAK investigation. It’s pretty clear there were redactions in the transcripts and my tapes should prove it in the coming weeks… we will continue to pursue this matter!

Well Nickyb233, an ordinary 3rd grader could read this doc and tell you what it says and means.  Its not my fault you cant read English!

Its interesting that R99 has signed on before even hearing your tapes - he's deaf!

Let me simply note the date of the document you say says 'redactions/edits'. 11/30/71.  Are you suggesting the FBI redacted its just acquired copy of the ATC tapes the moment it got it clear back in November 1971?  Why? What's the rush? Why would it do that and for whom in November 1971 just after the hijacking? The ATC flight comms werent released to the public until the 2000s. (Through the Seattle Post Intelligencer, for one) Was the FBI just practicing the fine art of redacting ATC Transcripts for its own internal use clear back in 1 9 7 1 ?? Huh? Huh?

Oh well.  Just ignore any actual facts in the DB Cooper case, if they get in your way.   

You raise an interesting point about the timing G… should of just said that from the beginning instead of nitpicking the verbiage. I better understand your gripe now… is it possible the log was edited before being sent to the feds and there simple stating they received an edited log?

[dudeman17]

Will wonders ever cease...  Take a peek over the wall.

[georger]

I will make this easy:

The doc says:
… made available a portion of the Ground Radio Teletype Log which had been recorded during the hijacking of Flight 305.  The tape was removed from a teletype machine at Northwest Ground Operations Concourse  C, SeaTac Intl Airport.

This teletype log is maintained as part of a roll printed on a teletype machine  (recording air to ground communications) and the particular portion relating to the hijacking has been Xeroxed in sheet form, and is set forth as pages of this document.

The original log (referred to above) has been edited to exclude  all Northwest Airlines traffic not pertaining to the hijacked Flight 305. Further  the log has been converted to Pacific Standard Time (PST) vs. Greenwich Mean Time, . . .

The editing refers to  editing out all extraneous  Ground Radio Teletype communications contained on the teletype log, which had nothing to do with the hijacked Flight 305 ! The teletype log contained communications related to other aircraft flights and not just to flight 305.

There is no mention of editing or REDACTING of any ground to air comms related to flight 305.

Moreover this is being done in Nov 1971. The PI Transcript of flight comms was not released to the public until some time in the 2000s. 

[JAG]

Questions for Larry Carr:

1. Parachutes -

- What do you consider the impact to be of the revelation that two Pioneer/Steinthaul packing cards have been found for the back chutes? Still standing by Earl Cossey and his NB-6/8 pronouncements?
- Where exactly was the Amboy Chute found? Where is it now?

2. Can you clarify your 2008 comments on the DZ that the cigarette butts were "processed" in 2003 and then lost in transit back to Las Vegas?

3. Who is Al Di? What do you consider the impact to be of his de-coding Letter #3 in August 2011.

4. Do you consider L.D. Cooper to be the "most promising" suspect the FBI has investigated in Norjak?

5. Where are the larger shards of money that were found on Tina Bar during the FBI's dig, Feb 12-15, 1980? These would be the ones 2-3 inches in size and large enough to warrant placement in Plasticine evidence envelopes, as described by Dorwin Schroeder and video taped by KATU. The Citizen Sleuths said they did not see them when they examined the evidence trove in Seattle in 2009 and 2010.

Regarding question 3, Al Di and letter #3.  I didn't know much about this topic, been trying to read up on it at the Mountain News and a few other spots.  Letter 3 always seemed a little plain to me, I didn't realize that it was believed to have a deeper coded meaning to it.  This youtube video, (I am sure most of you have seen this years ago):



kind of clarified for me what was being theorized or purported in the sense that the letters cut and used in the letter were taken from pages/ads in the Playboy magazine had hidden messages based on the ads the letters were taken from.  (not clear who made the video)

Anyway, it's interesting if Al Di truly was the FBI case agent at the time.

Back to the list of questions, Bruce, how about adding a question about the partial DNA they have and whether it is in suitable enough condition to compare to online DNA databases like Ancestry etc.?

[Shutter]

I've had a lot of family issues for the past 3 months, including lose of life. most of my spare time is helping my mother through hard times (medically)

I seen a lot of comments and emails about the forum shutting down. I have responded to one for a specific reason.

I have decided to keep the forum running but with some changes. my focus is my family for the next few months so I'm making Chaucer a moderator to help control things on this site. I expect everyone to treat him with respect. if I see any negative comments towards him that member will be removed. if you have a problem with the new mod, take up with me and leave the drama off the board.

Leave the ShamWow and play it again Sam at the fucking door. I'm tired of reading crap like that. think real hard while making a comment and then hitting "post" I need to see a forum worth reading and learning from, how hard can that be?

Shutter


P.S.
I'm having issues with the Cooper website. this was made using SiteBuilders which is at the end of it's life span and currently switching over to the new version which will disrupt the way the site was built and will be needing repair. once I read that I decided to wait till I have time to fix the damage. it should be fine at the moment since I haven't switched over.

[Parrotheadvol]

Thank Shut. Thoughts and prayers go out to you and your family. Wish the best for your mother.

Chaucer is a mod at another forum, so I'm sure he will be fine here.

[Parrotheadvol]

In other news, it looks like the Blevins Blog has been liberated as RMB has been permanently banned from the DZ for his inability to keep things on topic. 

[nickyb233]

I will make this easy:

The doc says:
… made available a portion of the Ground Radio Teletype Log which had been recorded during the hijacking of Flight 305.  The tape was removed from a teletype machine at Northwest Ground Operations Concourse  C, SeaTac Intl Airport.

This teletype log is maintained as part of a roll printed on a teletype machine  (recording air to ground communications) and the particular portion relating to the hijacking has been Xeroxed in sheet form, and is set forth as pages of this document.

The original log (referred to above) has been edited to exclude  all Northwest Airlines traffic not pertaining to the hijacked Flight 305. Further  the log has been converted to Pacific Standard Time (PST) vs. Greenwich Mean Time, . . .

The editing refers to  editing out all extraneous  Ground Radio Teletype communications contained on the teletype log, which had nothing to do with the hijacked Flight 305 ! The teletype log contained communications related to other aircraft flights and not just to flight 305.

There is no mention of editing or REDACTING of any ground to air comms related to flight 305.

Moreover this is being done in Nov 1971. The PI Transcript of flight comms was not released to the public until some time in the 2000s.

Well the proof is gonna be in the pudding. Will the extra hour on my tapes contain unrelated radio comms or comms after 305 leaves Seatac that we don’t have transcribed. Is the all mighty Goerger’s assessment correct? Only one way to find out, stay tuned for the tale of the tape!

[nickyb233]

In other news, it looks like the Blevins Blog has been liberated as RMB has been permanently banned from the DZ for his inability to keep things on topic.

Hallelujah! Praise Allah!

[georger]

I will make this easy:

The doc says:
… made available a portion of the Ground Radio Teletype Log which had been recorded during the hijacking of Flight 305.  The tape was removed from a teletype machine at Northwest Ground Operations Concourse  C, SeaTac Intl Airport.

This teletype log is maintained as part of a roll printed on a teletype machine  (recording air to ground communications) and the particular portion relating to the hijacking has been Xeroxed in sheet form, and is set forth as pages of this document.

The original log (referred to above) has been edited to exclude  all Northwest Airlines traffic not pertaining to the hijacked Flight 305. Further  the log has been converted to Pacific Standard Time (PST) vs. Greenwich Mean Time, . . .

The editing refers to  editing out all extraneous  Ground Radio Teletype communications contained on the teletype log, which had nothing to do with the hijacked Flight 305 ! The teletype log contained communications related to other aircraft flights and not just to flight 305.

There is no mention of editing or REDACTING of any ground to air comms related to flight 305.

Moreover this is being done in Nov 1971. The PI Transcript of flight comms was not released to the public until some time in the 2000s.

Well the proof is gonna be in the pudding. Will the extra hour on my tapes contain unrelated radio comms or comms after 305 leaves Seatac that we don’t have transcribed. Is the all mighty Goerger’s assessment correct? Only one way to find out, stay tuned for the tale of the tape!

I dont know anything about your TAPES or your claims. The FBI doc is clear as day.

The big news today, I guess, is there will now be three DB Cooper forums! DZ has kicked Blevins off at long last. Shutter will keep this site open. Chaucer will be the new MOD here. Good for Chaucer! And no. 3, Nickyb233 and Flyjack etal will start a new site called WikiCooperpedia??? which will have the old Sluggo files. Do I have that correct? I think so.

wow.

D.B. Cooper Part 67 of 67-193 is very clear - there is nothing to argue or get emotional about. Sorry. Language is as language does! 

[nickyb233]

I will make this easy:

The doc says:
… made available a portion of the Ground Radio Teletype Log which had been recorded during the hijacking of Flight 305.  The tape was removed from a teletype machine at Northwest Ground Operations Concourse  C, SeaTac Intl Airport.

This teletype log is maintained as part of a roll printed on a teletype machine  (recording air to ground communications) and the particular portion relating to the hijacking has been Xeroxed in sheet form, and is set forth as pages of this document.

The original log (referred to above) has been edited to exclude  all Northwest Airlines traffic not pertaining to the hijacked Flight 305. Further  the log has been converted to Pacific Standard Time (PST) vs. Greenwich Mean Time, . . .

The editing refers to  editing out all extraneous  Ground Radio Teletype communications contained on the teletype log, which had nothing to do with the hijacked Flight 305 ! The teletype log contained communications related to other aircraft flights and not just to flight 305.

There is no mention of editing or REDACTING of any ground to air comms related to flight 305.

Moreover this is being done in Nov 1971. The PI Transcript of flight comms was not released to the public until some time in the 2000s.

Well the proof is gonna be in the pudding. Will the extra hour on my tapes contain unrelated radio comms or comms after 305 leaves Seatac that we don’t have transcribed. Is the all mighty Goerger’s assessment correct? Only one way to find out, stay tuned for the tale of the tape!

I dont know anything about your TAPES or your claims. The FBI doc is clear as day.

The big news today, I guess, is there will now be three DB Cooper forums! DZ has kicked Blevins off at long last. Shutter will keep this site open. Chaucer will be the new MOD here. Good for Chaucer! And no. 3, Nickyb233 and Flyjack etal will start a new site called WikiCooperpedia??? which will have the old Sluggo files. Do I have that correct? I think so.

wow.

D.B. Cooper Part 67 of 67-193 is very clear - there is nothing to argue or get emotional about. Sorry. Language is as language does!

Just having a little fun with you G. Def no emotion or animosity on my end. WikcCoopedia is being developed by a fellow cooperite Tessa. I am a consultant on the project. It will contain Sluggos old files and a complete comprehensive timeline of events amongst other things. We are considering adding some type of message board platform. If anybody here has any ideas or suggestions for the new WikCoopedia page please feel free to share them with me.

Thanks - Nicky

[georger]

I will make this easy:

The doc says:
… made available a portion of the Ground Radio Teletype Log which had been recorded during the hijacking of Flight 305.  The tape was removed from a teletype machine at Northwest Ground Operations Concourse  C, SeaTac Intl Airport.

This teletype log is maintained as part of a roll printed on a teletype machine  (recording air to ground communications) and the particular portion relating to the hijacking has been Xeroxed in sheet form, and is set forth as pages of this document.

The original log (referred to above) has been edited to exclude  all Northwest Airlines traffic not pertaining to the hijacked Flight 305. Further  the log has been converted to Pacific Standard Time (PST) vs. Greenwich Mean Time, . . .

The editing refers to  editing out all extraneous  Ground Radio Teletype communications contained on the teletype log, which had nothing to do with the hijacked Flight 305 ! The teletype log contained communications related to other aircraft flights and not just to flight 305.

There is no mention of editing or REDACTING of any ground to air comms related to flight 305.

Moreover this is being done in Nov 1971. The PI Transcript of flight comms was not released to the public until some time in the 2000s.

Well the proof is gonna be in the pudding. Will the extra hour on my tapes contain unrelated radio comms or comms after 305 leaves Seatac that we don’t have transcribed. Is the all mighty Goerger’s assessment correct? Only one way to find out, stay tuned for the tale of the tape!

I dont know anything about your TAPES or your claims. The FBI doc is clear as day.

The big news today, I guess, is there will now be three DB Cooper forums! DZ has kicked Blevins off at long last. Shutter will keep this site open. Chaucer will be the new MOD here. Good for Chaucer! And no. 3, Nickyb233 and Flyjack etal will start a new site called WikiCooperpedia??? which will have the old Sluggo files. Do I have that correct? I think so.

wow.

D.B. Cooper Part 67 of 67-193 is very clear - there is nothing to argue or get emotional about. Sorry. Language is as language does!

Just having a little fun with you G. Def no emotion or animosity on my end. WikcCoopedia is being development by a fellow cooperite Tessa. I am a consultant on the project. It will contain Sluggos old files and a complete comprehensive timeline of events amongst other things. We are considering adding some type of message board platform. If anybody here has any ideas or suggestions for the new WikCoopedia page please feel free to share them with me.

Thanks - Nicky

Thanks to Nickyb and good luck with the new Cooper forum using Sluggo's old format - something like that. WOW!  But I cannot stress enough what a strong move DZ finally made getting rid of Blevins. Blevins was beyond belief.

Evidently when they pulled the teletype 'log' there was comm chatter involving other flights and communications so the EDIT (word used in FBI doc part 67) was simply to separate everything related to flight 305 from other text. There is nothing in the document that says 305 comm chatter was "redacted". who knows what will turn up next but I am personally glad to see Flyjack back and at work! Glad to see that '%$#ard' Blevins gone. Good luck to Chaucer!    .... Monday news is usually good news?

..........................      Shutter I hope things improve for you. I dont know what else to say. These are trying times for everyone. God Bless.